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== link to category page == | ==link to category page== | ||
Dear Lumenos, Did you know you can put a link to a category page -- for example, [[:Category:Guidelines]] -- anywhere in an article? I am sorry the syntax is so counter-intuitive. | Dear Lumenos, Did you know you can put a link to a category page -- for example, [[:Category:Guidelines]] -- anywhere in an article? I am sorry the syntax is so counter-intuitive. | ||
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 08:53, 3 September 2009 (EDT) | --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 08:53, 3 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:No, Sir. I hadn't seen an example of it until now. I will delete that "hack" I use. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:01, 3 September 2009 (EDT) | :No, Sir. I hadn't seen an example of it until now. I will delete that "hack" I use. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:01, 3 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== IRC == | ==IRC== | ||
Can we take the 3-odd discussions we are holding right now to IRC? If you're using Firefox, install [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16 ChatZilla] and click on the #wikiindex link on the left; otherwise google for a client for your OS, install one, then at the IRC command line type "/server irc.freenode.net", then "/join #wikiindex". [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:23, 30 August 2009 (EDT) | Can we take the 3-odd discussions we are holding right now to IRC? If you're using Firefox, install [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16 ChatZilla] and click on the #wikiindex link on the left; otherwise google for a client for your OS, install one, then at the IRC command line type "/server irc.freenode.net", then "/join #wikiindex". [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:23, 30 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:I didn't get this message until a few hours ago. I may be up for it at some point but I have got so much to do now. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 01:38, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | :I didn't get this message until a few hours ago. I may be up for it at some point but I have got so much to do now. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 01:38, 31 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:If anything really important happens at IRC you might ask the participants there if they would mind if you copy the transcript and email it to me. If you email me through [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Lumenos Wikipedia] or [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Lumenos my wikis email] this email is shttp, if "privacy" is a concern. I should be checking this address lately, because someone is interested in the [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Solar_power_and_heat solar steam electricity generation system, for which I have done a review/interview]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 23:46, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | :If anything really important happens at IRC you might ask the participants there if they would mind if you copy the transcript and email it to me. If you email me through [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Lumenos Wikipedia] or [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Lumenos my wikis email] this email is shttp, if "privacy" is a concern. I should be checking this address lately, because someone is interested in the [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Solar_power_and_heat solar steam electricity generation system, for which I have done a review/interview]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 23:46, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== Hmmm... == | ==Hmmm...== | ||
You aren't CUR, are you? [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:35, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | You aren't CUR, are you? [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:35, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:"RationalWiki has about 3,197 registered users, of which 359 (or 11.23%) have Sysops rights, which are '''awarded very liberally by the bureaucrats.'''" from [[RationalWiki]] [[User:Nx|Nx]] 09:07, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :"RationalWiki has about 3,197 registered users, of which 359 (or 11.23%) have Sysops rights, which are '''awarded very liberally by the bureaucrats.'''" from [[RationalWiki]] [[User:Nx|Nx]] 09:07, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
=== "Administering" RationalWiki === | ==="Administering" RationalWiki=== | ||
It should be noted that virtually every editor on RW is an "admin", or sysop. Being an admin there is no special thing. That is all. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:26, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | It should be noted that virtually every editor on RW is an "admin", or sysop. Being an admin there is no special thing. That is all. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:26, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:I ran that title through a spell check, for ya. Gosh I wish I could move your comment over to my user page, but you know, I don't want to offend anybody. :-) (You can edit it... and I'm not going to see that as an invitation to edit yours... necessarily.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:12, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :I ran that title through a spell check, for ya. Gosh I wish I could move your comment over to my user page, but you know, I don't want to offend anybody. :-) (You can edit it... and I'm not going to see that as an invitation to edit yours... necessarily.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:12, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:::You understand that I may switch from Yoda to [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Lumenati_(language) Lumenati], mid sentence? I'm practically [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Mercan_language a Mercan], in fact. You must make sure you aren't going too fast or you could miss a word that makes the sentence sound more like something you're accustomed to. It is one of many cloaking devices employed as maturity tests, to prevent immature readers from learning anything too dangerous. None the less I've updated Lumeniki with the following sentence: ''Expert grandmatician [[Huw Powel]] has [http://www.wikiindex.org/Talk:Lumeniki#Phantom%20Hoovenator%20being%20all%20block%20deletion%20happy enunciated with no uncertain terms], that a Mercan has a sort of communication style that induces a "stream of consciousness" (sic)'' :-) If you have an example sentence, I may provide some example sentences, proving that it indeed conforms to grandmatics. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:16, 7 September 2009 (EDT) | :::You understand that I may switch from Yoda to [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Lumenati_(language) Lumenati], mid sentence? I'm practically [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Mercan_language a Mercan], in fact. You must make sure you aren't going too fast or you could miss a word that makes the sentence sound more like something you're accustomed to. It is one of many cloaking devices employed as maturity tests, to prevent immature readers from learning anything too dangerous. None the less I've updated Lumeniki with the following sentence: ''Expert grandmatician [[Huw Powel]] has [http://www.wikiindex.org/Talk:Lumeniki#Phantom%20Hoovenator%20being%20all%20block%20deletion%20happy enunciated with no uncertain terms], that a Mercan has a sort of communication style that induces a "stream of consciousness" (sic)'' :-) If you have an example sentence, I may provide some example sentences, proving that it indeed conforms to grandmatics. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:16, 7 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
=== You administer RationalWiki? === | ===You administer RationalWiki?=== | ||
I wasn't aware of that. I must've missed a staff meeting. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 08:32, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | I wasn't aware of that. I must've missed a staff meeting. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 08:32, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:(Nx is a bureaucrat at RationalWiki.) Hum maybe I'm not using the conventional definition of an admin, but I changed it. Are my sysop privileges awaiting me if the site ever comes back online? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:41, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :(Nx is a bureaucrat at RationalWiki.) Hum maybe I'm not using the conventional definition of an admin, but I changed it. Are my sysop privileges awaiting me if the site ever comes back online? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:41, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:::::: :-) | :::::: :-) | ||
== Copyrights == | ==Copyrights== | ||
[[WikiIndex:Copyrights]] says, "Most content on this wiki is under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/." Does that statement apply to talk pages? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:12, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | [[WikiIndex:Copyrights]] says, "Most content on this wiki is under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/." Does that statement apply to talk pages? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:12, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Yes. Also why are you asking this on your talk page? [[User:Nx|Nx]] 08:15, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | :Yes. Also why are you asking this on your talk page? [[User:Nx|Nx]] 08:15, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::For example the copyright page here is [[OpenEdit]] I assume that is not an invitation to alter it, in that case, everything else seems to be a bit gray. I was kinda surprised that you were able to get unblocked so quick after (or because of) blanking someone's user page or whatever it was. Clearly wandalous (meaning easy to fix) but I don't know what we are gonna do with policy pages all intermingled with people's copyrighted work, if someone decides we should all retain our copyrights. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:26, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ::For example the copyright page here is [[OpenEdit]] I assume that is not an invitation to alter it, in that case, everything else seems to be a bit gray. I was kinda surprised that you were able to get unblocked so quick after (or because of) blanking someone's user page or whatever it was. Clearly wandalous (meaning easy to fix) but I don't know what we are gonna do with policy pages all intermingled with people's copyrighted work, if someone decides we should all retain our copyrights. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:26, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::Any text you add here is released under CC-by-sa-3.0, it says so under the edit box (I updated the copyright page because clearly someone who has access to the server files updated the global license setting to cc-by-sa-3.0, but forgot to update that page). You cannot suddenly decide to revoke this license and ask all your contributions to be removed. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 08:31, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | :::Any text you add here is released under CC-by-sa-3.0, it says so under the edit box (I updated the copyright page because clearly someone who has access to the server files updated the global license setting to cc-by-sa-3.0, but forgot to update that page). You cannot suddenly decide to revoke this license and ask all your contributions to be removed. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 08:31, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::Oh okay, so it is impolite in your "culture". Perhaps if we get more agreement on this we should edit [[WikiIndex: | ::::Oh okay, so it is impolite in your "culture". Perhaps if we get more agreement on this we should edit [[WikiIndex:Editing etiquette]], to reflect these conventions. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:34, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::No. I believe it is illegal. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 10:41, 2 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::No. I believe it is illegal. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 10:41, 2 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::Which law? Or what reason? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:03, 2 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::::Which law? Or what reason? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:03, 2 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:::: I am confused. We are using the CC-by-SA license, right? When I release work under that license, I retain copyright to my own work, right? Yes, someone might point out that true fact on a the copyright page. Is "someone pointing out true facts" something I need to protect against? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 14:08, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :::: I am confused. We are using the CC-by-SA license, right? When I release work under that license, I retain copyright to my own work, right? Yes, someone might point out that true fact on a the copyright page. Is "someone pointing out true facts" something I need to protect against? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 14:08, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::I said that wrong. What I meant was if someone altered it to say that no one is free to copy anyone's work. Like maybe if they just deleted the Share Alike license? I don't know what that would mean in articles, where the work of many people may be mingled together, but on talk pages it would seem to imply that we would be forbidden from copying large chunks of dialog (beyond what would constitute "fair use") to another location. For example, I might want to copy a large portion of a talk page to [[Lumeniki]] and [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Lumenist_hotseat alter it according to my perception of what it would seem to mean] :-), (it would keep the Share Alike license). [[ | :::::I said that wrong. What I meant was if someone altered it to say that no one is free to copy anyone's work. Like maybe if they just deleted the Share Alike license? I don't know what that would mean in articles, where the work of many people may be mingled together, but on talk pages it would seem to imply that we would be forbidden from copying large chunks of dialog (beyond what would constitute "fair use") to another location. For example, I might want to copy a large portion of a talk page to [[Lumeniki]] and [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Lumenist_hotseat alter it according to my perception of what it would seem to mean] :-), (it would keep the Share Alike license). [[User talk:Lumenos#Reordering talk page comments|I already have been copying or moving chunks around]], which was what prompted me to ask this question. It seems that it would be "legal" now, so long as I retain the license. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::(I should probably say that this is not to say that I ''should'', given possibilities, such as that "[http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Blacker hackers]" may have more control of "my" wiki than anyone else.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::::(I should probably say that this is not to say that I ''should'', given possibilities, such as that "[http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Blacker hackers]" may have more control of "my" wiki than anyone else.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::Another possibility is that they change it to forbid derivative works. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::Another possibility is that they change it to forbid derivative works. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::I post this here because maybe you have some way of being alerted when these seemingly very important pages, are edited? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::I post this here because maybe you have some way of being alerted when these seemingly very important pages, are edited? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||