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::Fishing can be used in a [http://whoaflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/savefish.jpg positive sense], too. If I catch fish, it's only because I love them, and want them to be happy, or at least not unhappy. It must be very dreary swimming around all the time, never accomplishing much; how much better if a win-win scenario can be arrived at, by which I get to eat a nice McDonald's meal #9, or its functional equivalent, while the fish is put out of its misery. It need not leave me unsatisfied. | ::Fishing can be used in a [http://whoaflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/savefish.jpg positive sense], too. If I catch fish, it's only because I love them, and want them to be happy, or at least not unhappy. It must be very dreary swimming around all the time, never accomplishing much; how much better if a win-win scenario can be arrived at, by which I get to eat a nice McDonald's meal #9, or its functional equivalent, while the fish is put out of its misery. It need not leave me unsatisfied. | ||
::Even | ::Even {{Wp|Matthew 4:19|the Bible}} uses "fishing" in a positive way. Was Jesus a troll? Maybe. He sure went around provoking people to want to crucify him, didn't he? And he got what he wanted. He even {{Wp|Matthew 26:53|pointed out}} that it was totally avoidable, but let it happen anyway. | ||
::What kind of articles are we supposed to have about wiki people, anyway? Point to a model article of that type that would be worthy of featured status, if we had such a thing. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 15:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ::What kind of articles are we supposed to have about wiki people, anyway? Point to a model article of that type that would be worthy of featured status, if we had such a thing. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 15:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::What you do, Nathan, is argue forever, if it's permitted. You just created articles on this user and on [[MZMcBride]]. The latter's connection with you is obvious, he just blocked you on [[ | :::What you do, Nathan, is argue forever, if it's permitted. You just created articles on this user and on [[MZMcBride]]. The latter's connection with you is obvious, he just blocked you on [[Wikimedia Meta-Wiki|Meta-Wiki]]. Nemo bis is related to that case, see [https://Meta.Wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Leucosticte&diff=prev&oldid=7806520]. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 16:42, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
::::So what? What does it matter? You seem to constantly engage in {{ | ::::So what? What does it matter? You seem to constantly engage in {{Wp|appeals to motive}}, which isn't good. In fact, it distracts from the relevant issues at hand. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 16:54, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::::Motives matter. Motives create patterns of behavior. Motives cherry-pick evidence. Motives selectively create articles. Unrecognized motives can wreck our lives and our communities. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 17:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | :::::Motives matter. Motives create patterns of behavior. Motives cherry-pick evidence. Motives selectively create articles. Unrecognized motives can wreck our lives and our communities. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 17:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
::::::So, delete stuff if you think the motive was bad, rather than because the article itself meets certain criteria? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ::::::So, delete stuff if you think the motive was bad, rather than because the article itself meets certain criteria? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
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:::::::Wikipedia generally made a decision on this issue. Some administrators sometimes don't get it, but, by policy, edits of blocked/banned users can be reverted on sight, but any other editor may bring them back in. Articles created by such editors (after block/ban) may be speedy deleted. However, someone else may create a page with the same content, if the ''content'' meets standards. Here, the standards are not clear. You attempt to translate that to The Usual. I.e, Whatever I Want Is Allowed.... --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 19:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | :::::::Wikipedia generally made a decision on this issue. Some administrators sometimes don't get it, but, by policy, edits of blocked/banned users can be reverted on sight, but any other editor may bring them back in. Articles created by such editors (after block/ban) may be speedy deleted. However, someone else may create a page with the same content, if the ''content'' meets standards. Here, the standards are not clear. You attempt to translate that to The Usual. I.e, Whatever I Want Is Allowed.... --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 19:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::::::I wonder, Nathan, if you have considered notifying the users whose articles you created that an article has been created here. If they come here and say the article is just fine, thank you very much, it ''might be okay.'' It might still not be okay. Notability is still a real issue, if you would read those old discussions for more than arguments to cherry-pick. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 19:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | :::::::I wonder, Nathan, if you have considered notifying the users whose articles you created that an article has been created here. If they come here and say the article is just fine, thank you very much, it ''might be okay.'' It might still not be okay. Notability is still a real issue, if you would read those old discussions for more than arguments to cherry-pick. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 19:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
[[wikiquote:Talk: | [[wikiquote:Talk:George Orwell#Attribution.3F - .22Journalism is printing something....22]] So, is this to be a wiki of journalism/news or advertising/public relations? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 19:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||