Editing WikiIndex:2013-2014 bugs and upgrades

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'''WikiIndex:Upgrades needed''' — this page is to be used for raising suggestions and discussing strategies for upgrading our [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software used by [[WikiIndex]].  It can typically include any of the published, and stable, [[mw:Manual:Extensions|MediaWiki Extensions]]; or any other applicable and workable strategies.  Please add any suggestions or offerings in any of the subheadings below (or create a new subheading), and discuss.

== requesting account ==
There is a huge bug with trying to get an account here at WikiIndex currently.  [[:File:AccountCreationPath.png]] and [[:File:AccountCreationPath2]] are screen shots of the account creation path, but there seems to be no completion screen or email. I worked through it after being alerted by [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]].  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]




=older thoughts needed to be integrated above=
== [[Semantic MediaWiki]] version ==
; Upgraded MediaWiki to 1.21.1 and switched over to the Semantic Bundle.  Let's see about Maps... [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 05:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

== Semantic extensions version ==
; Especially for Semantic Forms and Semantic MediaWiki
Possible fixed bug: [[Form:Wiki/sandbox]] textarea only preload when previewing. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

== Images ==
# Favicon - [[File:WI Favicon.png]]
## It would be easier for me to tell the difference between my [[localhost wiki]] and [[WikiIndex]] if we enable this. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  11:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
##: Done. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 04:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
##:# Request: Can you make the background transparent? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
##:#: Done. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 08:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
##<s>Would be better as keys. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 15:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)</s>
##: What do you mean? [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 05:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
##:: I wonder, is this what you mean? [[File:WI Keys Favicon.png|20px]]  additionally, I am not getting the favicon is it there? Checked, [http://wikiindex.org/favicon.ico and it is], yet I don't have it in my browser!?!  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]

== LinkSpam / WikiSpam / Vandalism ==
; Need -
# [[mw:Extension:NoBogusUserpages]] — ''Pro:'' - would obviate the need to police User: (IP address) pages since they cannot be created by anyone except the legitimate user of the IP - ''Con'' - would not stop spammer from posting spam on the User IP page if that is their actual IP.
## Spambots aren't (thankfully) very intelligent; usually they create a (bogus) User: page and a main namespace with the same title, i.e. <code>User:FooBar123</code> and <code>FooBar123</code>. In my experience, this type of spam is commonly done by IP addresses as opposed to registered users. As such, installing the NoBogusUserpages extension would cut down this type of spam by 50%, which isn't a bad rate at all. The code is simple enough that it should work even with the latest version of MediaWiki. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 06:44, 28 April 2013 (PDT)
## + from me --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:22, 3 May 2013 (PDT)
## {{Strong oppose}} I do not think think it's a good idea. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
### Why [[YiFei]]? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#### We have some user pages in the main namespace, which this extension won't help. 
#### Also, I haven't seen ''they create a (bogus) User: page and a main namespace with the same title, i.e. <code>User:FooBar123</code> and <code>FooBar123</code>''.
##### I have seen it on wiki, but not so much here. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#### ''would not stop spammer from posting spam on the User IP page if that is their actual IP.''
#### We hardly have any bogus user pages. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 02:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
## Thanks ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
# Add restrictions for being an autoconfirmed user, such as $wgAutoConfirmAge = 3600; $wgAutoConfirmCount = 5; —  ''Con:''

==Account creation protection==
; Need -
# [[mw:Extension:User Merge and Delete]] — ''Pro:'' Rename changes the name of one account, whereas this can merge or combine two accounts into one, and deletes the account not needed.   – ''Con:'' Very dangerous, can permanently delete user accounts'' (but this can be set for 'crat permission only)
## ''Pro:'' I've used it on my own localhost wiki to get rid of surplus test accounts when testing out extensions, and while the danger of screwing up an actual account is real, it could be used to trim the database of obvious spam accounts. ''Con'': Cannot be done as a batch, must do one merge and delete job at a time. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 05:34, 30 April 2013 (PDT)Arcane  - so basically you are saying we could clean up the spam accounts by deleting the one at a time? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] - Yes, unfortunately. It may be possible to code a bot or script with a selected list of spam accounts to trim and execute this script multiple times, never tried it myself, but in-wiki, it only works one at a time. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 14:10, 30 April 2013 (PDT)Arcane  - ''sounds brilliant, with the bot thing :-) I could see one person having control over a bot and a list. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''
## I'm personally still skeptical about this one. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]'''  3 May 2013
### Please say more [[Elassint]] - is it not a worry to have spam accounts sitting in the database?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
#### It's bad when we look at [[Special:ListUsers]] -- full of spam accounts. But [[Wikipedia]] doesn't use it though [[wp:Special:ListUsers]] is also full of spam accounts. In addition, [[LifeWiki]] and [[WikiApiary]] use it. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  11:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
##### I would love to clean up this, but I wonder if there is another way to do it than one at a time...  not sure, ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#####: Might need a bot. But pywikipedia don't seem to have a library for [[mw:Extension:User Merge and Delete]], so if we have to do that, 
#####:# Manually delete, or
#####:# Make a bot library
#####: Either of them would be very hard to do. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 07:29, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
#Sorry for being away recently. Can we mass-oversight those user creations and blocks? It's flooding RC. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 07:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

; CAPTCHA -
# This is "epic-failing" we need a better CAPTCHA system...preferably the one from [http://www.google.com/recaptcha Google]...--[[User:Comets|Comets]] ([[User talk:Comets|talk]]) 02:12, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
#: [http://google.com?q={{urlencode:recaptcha cracked}} I hope that's not a serious suggestion.] --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 15:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
#:: Maybe so Roosa but its a suggestion, the current captcha is failing badly....unless you know something better? I have been away from this for a while now..--[[User:Comets|Comets]] ([[User talk:Comets|talk]]) 15:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
# [https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/mediawiki Google:Recaptcha for MediaWiki] - [https://www.google.com/recaptcha/admin/create Create the key] ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#: cracked: ''[http://google.com?q={{urlencode:recaptcha cracked}} I hope that's not a serious suggestion.] --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 15:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)'' --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 05:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
#: I read through that and it is from 2009 - looks like it is kept up and when it gets cracked, it gets fixed. Is that not what you see? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#::I guess that's Jack's opinion. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:55, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
#:::Indeed so. I'm inclined to believe that a properly configured [[mw:Extension:QuestyCaptcha]] with multiple questions that are simple enough (i.e. "What is the first name of Mr. Wales, the co-founder of Wikipedia?" or the classic, "What is this site's name?") is far more effective than reCAPTCHA. Just because it says "by Google" on the box doesn't mean that it's automatically good, you know.<br />True enough, QuestyCaptcha has some flaws too (such as the lack of an admin panel of any kind, but I'm hoping we could eventually work around that), but the core concept is far more fascinating and harder for spambot operators to crack, I believe. Cracking a (re)CAPTCHA doesn't require any real thinking whatsoever, whereas topic-specific questions might be really obvious for humans trying to register but not so much for spambots and their automated spamming software.<br />Naturally it should be remembered that no matter what, some will always slip past the automated mechanisms, and that's why we have administrators &mdash; to clean up after these spambots and block the associated accounts, IP addresses, etc. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 07:26, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
#:::: Some irc chat log with Emufarmers:
#:::: (07:36:43) <Emufarmers> it's hard to make questions that are meaningful but not potentially confusing or exclusory
#:::: (07:37:53) <Emufarmers> just having a trivial one like this keeps out most bots simply because they don't know how to deal with it, even if they could easily send it to a human
#:::: (07:38:47) <Emufarmers> (it would also be easy enough for them to just do that and compile a database of answers, but, fortunately, most don't seem to be there yet)
#:::: (07:40:42) <Emufarmers> depends whether saying "if you can't google, you can't register" is desirable or not
#:::: --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

reCAPTCHA , as I remember it, was developed by [[wikipedia:ReCAPTCHA|others]] - so my want of it has nothing to do with Google.  I am simply trying to figure out what would be the best for this community to have.  Looks like Benjamin is saying similar things above (thanks YiFei for pasting that) - I would be willing to try a simple question - it seems to take someone on the backend to create / maintain it.  'What is this index of?' answer wiki, Wiki, wikis, Wikis to complete. Best, [[MarkDilley]]  (in fact Jack, I pretty much [http://web.archive.org/web/20100713161518/http://blog.aboutus.org/2008/03/04/google-to-earth-site-is-the-word-du-jour/ despise Google] :-)

#<s>[[mw:Extension:ConfirmEdit]] as MathCaptcha (needs [[mw:Extension:Math]] installed, which is easy with shell access on Linux (@Emufarmers: ask me if you have problems with [[mw:Extension:Math]])) --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 16:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)</s>

==General housekeeping==
; Need -
# Please change notification emails from WikiIndex <markwdilley@gmail.com> to WikiIndex <notifications@wikiindex.org>
# [[mw:Extension:WikiEditor]] — ''Pro'' - More user friendly editing interface, simpler to understand and has many features to assist inexperienced editors [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 15:17, 21 January 2013 (PST)Arcane
## I'm not sure if this is really needed.  And more importantly, is this compatible with Semantic MediaWiki?  Are there any SMW sites which use this?  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:39, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
## As far as I know, it is compatible with Semantic MediaWiki, since I have tested SMW with multiple versions of this extension and found no problems. As for whether this is needed, I wouldn't call it absolutely essential, but for those who are not familiar with wikicode or more familiar with using programs like Wordpad, this is a good extension, since it simplifies much of the most common editing processes. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 18:35, 29 April 2013 (PDT)Arcane
### It is compatible with SMW. + from me --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:28, 3 May 2013 (PDT)
## {{Strong support}} --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
# [[mw:Extension:Maps]] — ''Pro:'' this would be really good for our City-Wiki entries, uses maps from more than one source (Google, Yahoo, OpenStreetMaps, etc) 
##+ from me --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:28, 3 May 2013 (PDT)
#:'''Done'''. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 05:49, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
# [[mw:Extension:LastUserLogin]] — ''Pro:'' would let us know a person's activity and it helps people to see who is building WikiIndex.  - ''Con:'' Why?????  Either use [[Special:RecentChanges]], or if you want to watch a specific user, add them to your watchlist :/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:39, 22 April 2013 (PDT)  <!--''Con:'' Any?--> [[Special:WhosOnline]] can be a replacement, but records within a day. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  02:38, 4 May 2013 (PDT)
# [[mw:Extension:DismissableSiteNotice]] — ''Pro:'' would let us hide the Site Notice.  - ''Con:''
## I hate to see it everyday. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 03:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
## Wasn't this the case before the upgrade?  I seem to remember not seeing the site notice when logged in.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
### Administrators can delete [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] to disable it. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 23:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
#:'''Done'''. Increase the value on [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice id]] to un-dismiss the sitenotice for everybody. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 03:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
#Disable redirects to special pages and interwiki redirects, which use a 302 and have no "redirected from" link. ([[mw:Manual:$wgDisableHardRedirects]]) --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  06:57, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
## Sean especially hate this ([[Special:Permalink/140054]]). --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 12:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
### I think [[Sean]] went too far in banning the person (I don't know if there was previous history off wiki), although a good idea to have soft redirects off wiki. I personally really like redirects to special pages.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
# [[mw:Extension:Replace Text]] seem to be removed a while ago, and I think it would be a good idea to restore it — ''Pro:'' mass editing  - ''Con:'' not sure. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:48, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
#:'''Done'''. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 23:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== Bugs ==
Some bugs might be fixed by the update. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small>  11:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
; Need -
Email system issues:
# [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean]] can not get his email confirmed, this has happened to a few people.
## I never got an e-mail from WikiIndex. Would be cool to have it working somehow. --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:28, 3 May 2013 (PDT)
## I can't reproduce this.  Have you tried resending the confirmation email? [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 01:22, 19 May 2013 (PDT)
### if (smtp_server != email.split("@")[1]) { email_won't_work() } else { I_don't_know_why() } --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

; Want -sure about
# Why are Sysops blocked by our anti-spam tools, but new accounts able to over-ride them at will? [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:42, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
## I'm not sure about the first question, but I noticed that most spammers come from China (See [[User:Zhuyifei1999/Spam IP List]]). We use dynamic IPs in China, so it's hard to block them unless you use range blocks. --[[User:Zhuyifei1999|Zhuyifei1999]] ([[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]) 04:05, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
### Do we know what might be the issue here?  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
# Atom feed (on Android devices) - seems to lag a few 'edits' behind current desktop version.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:49, 20 March 2013 (PDT)

== adding subdomain ==
[[Brahfous]] is wanting a subdomain for right to left writing...  (need to link to conversation) ~~ [[MarkDilley]]

== On the back-burner ==
This sub-section can be used making suggestions for beta extensions, ie, those we might like to add at a later date once they've evolved into a stable extension
# <s>[[mw:Extension:MassEditRegex]]</s> — ''Pro:'' can be used by Sysops for 'bot'-like edits, without the need for creating bot scripts - ''Con:'' still in beta phase
## The extension status (alpha/beta/stable) means very little in reality...installing and testing it is a better way to see whether it works on WikiIndex's version of MediaWiki. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 14:41, 22 December 2012 (PST)
## I can vouch for this. I've used the MassEditRegex extension on my own wiki repeatedly and it has proven quite stable and does what it is intended to do. I highly recommend it. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 12:43, 25 January 2013 (PST)Arcane
## Issue is we don't have a dedicated back end developer to work on WikiIndex, know anyone who can? :-)  So I say strike out for now.
##:I added Replace Text.  Is this still desired too? [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 23:49, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
# [http://WikiApiary.com/wiki/WikiApiary:Monitored_by http://wikiapiary.com/w/images/wikiapiary/b/b4/Monitored_by_WikiApiary.png]
#* Why???
#** To show that WikiIndex in on board!? --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2013 (PDT)
# We need a mini-banner like that WikiApiary which states something like "Indexed on WikiIndex" - to be used as a kind of voluntary banner exchange on other sites which we've indexed.  (good idea ~~ [[MarkDilley]])
#* I think [[WikiApiary]] is a very similar project as [[WikiIndex]] and has a couple people working on it that are in the wiki community.  Was just a suggestion - we linked to [[Wiki101]] in sidebar for same reason. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
#** WikiApiary is focused on MediaWiki and it's technical aspects. WikiIndex is focused on wiki communities. I do not think that is too similar. However, a WikiIndex banner would be nice to have, too. --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2013 (PDT)

== Technology via the community ==
This isn't the right section title, but what I am trying to get across is - what technology does the community 
# need to have access to, to make WikiIndex even better.  
# who here understands how to do the backend work needed?
:# [[Jack Phoenix]]
:# [[Emufarmers]]
:# [[YiFei]]
:# [[Kghbln]]



[[Category:WikiIndex]]
[[Category:Admin]]

==Cite extension==
I recommend installing [[mw:Extension:Cite]]; it would enable citations to be done in what's become the standard format across the wikisphere. Thanks. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 12:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
:Is there an example of use here on WikiIndex? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
::A few pages at [[Special:LongPages]] have a lot of inline citations, e.g. [[Let.sysops.be]]. There aren't a lot of examples, perhaps because people aren't going to do a lot of citations without Cite. The lack of it makes it so that you have to put them inline, which disrupts the flow of the article, or just put a barelink, which can rot and doesn't give a lot of information (e.g. author, date, etc.). Also, it makes it so that people can't port content about wikis to and from WikiIndex without converting the references. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 14:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Hmm @[[Mark]]: Why it wasn't installed in [[WikiIndex:Spring_2011_Upgrade_Path]]? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Another advantage to using Cite rather than inline URLs is that it would look nicer when the pages are printed. Then we could [[mw:Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_disable_external_links_from_showing_in_the_printable_version_of_a_page.3F|disable external links from showing in the printable version of a page]]. [[:Template:Wiki]] in particular tends not to print well; the lengthy URLs often cause the text to intrude into the wiki logo. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 09:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

[[YiFei]] I imagine there weren't enough folks that wanted it back then. [[Upgrades]] page? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:I think that extension would be a good idea. It would look nicer and would minimize article flow disruption. [[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
::Actually, I notice that stuff prints a lot cleaner on Chrome than Firefox. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 15:51, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

==Disable Logs==
The wiki looks quite "spammy due to all the new spammy names in the user creation log and all the deletions and blocks, I believe its possible to disable "logs" for 'normal' view which means its prevents those logs from being seeing by anyone without admin privileges..it could help improve how the wiki looks to others but admins can still work in the background fighting off vandals and deleting the spam..it generally 'puts off' people when they come to a wiki for the first time and all they see is red links spam deletions and blocks on the Recent Changes page...--[[User:Comets|Comets]] ([[User talk:Comets|talk]]) 00:18, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
: How about setting all user creation logs as bots? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 01:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Great idea!  How!! ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:Not sure what he is saying, but you may need to install this [[mw:Extension:RecentChangesLogFilter|Extension]] which hides new user log as well as blocks, deletions and protections (we need to only focus on new user, deletions and blocks)....--[[User:Comets|Comets]] ([[User talk:Comets|talk]]) 07:02, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

==QuestyCaptcha with questions and answers that sysops can change==
See [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61302 bug 61302]. If I write a fork of QuestyCaptcha that will make it possible for you to edit a page, e.g. [[MediaWiki:QuestyCaptcha]], containing questions and answers that only sysops are allowed to view, for the QuestyCaptcha, would you have any interest in installing it? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 23:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

: I for one would be excited about this option.  The issue here is getting it installed... ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:: Is that difficult to make happen? I thought you owned this site. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:07, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

: Don't own it Nathan, check out a little of [[WikiIndex:History]] and the history of the [[Upgrades]] page for a view into the struggles around the technical issues. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]