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''Rather than trying to put your own spin on the history of the WikiWikiWeb here, you should leave it alone, because you have done -- and by editing here, continue to do -- nothing but harm to it.'' | ''Rather than trying to put your own spin on the history of the WikiWikiWeb here, you should leave it alone, because you have done -- and by editing here, continue to do -- nothing but harm to it.'' | ||
''For that, you should be ashamed of yourself.'' | ''For that, you should be ashamed of yourself.'' | ||
:Obviously You still do not get it. Sure the Wiki was a success. But as sure it is history since quite some time before 2005. I did prove that point by making You making Ward lock it up, put it under glass so to say. You may remember me writing about dinosaurs and putting the wiki under glass when I still was editing the wiki. And I would not have bothered Ward personally because I was aware of the fact that he is busy with matters of more importance and first of all more up-to-dateness. Now Wards mind is surely relieved from the ongoing question "How is my old wiki doing?". His mind is free to work on current matters. Yours could be too, but You keep the attachment going. You insist on living in the past. You even started [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ThreadMode ThreadMode] on the document page here, because "Your" old wiki does not have TalkPages attached to the regular pages. | :Obviously You still do not get it. Sure the Wiki was a success. But as sure it is history since quite some time before 2005. I did prove that point by making You making Ward lock it up, put it under glass so to say. You may remember me writing about dinosaurs and putting the wiki under glass when I still was editing the wiki. And I would not have bothered Ward personally because I was aware of the fact that he is busy with matters of more importance and first of all more up-to-dateness. Now Wards mind is surely relieved from the ongoing question "How is my old wiki doing?". His mind is free to work on current matters. Yours could be too, but You keep the attachment going. You insist on living in the past. You even started [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ThreadMode ThreadMode] on the document page here, because "Your" old wiki does not have TalkPages attached to the regular pages. | ||
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: As everyone can see who has eyes in his head, Ward reluctantly did a minimum-intervention on [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PatternsOfClaimsAgainstTop PatternsOfClaimsAgainstTop] which is a collection of accusations, mostly by anonymous, that shows that so called community saw themselves unable to deal with the contributions "from the sheriffs office" and therefore cried out for the help to the [[God-king]]. He refused to actively step in and expressed his desire not to be disturbed again within the next two years. Since he got disturbed again only two years later, he was fed up and locked down the wiki to ensure his peace. This again was only a maintenance note on account of external pressure. If he would not have responded at all, people would have called him irresponsible. But he did not take part in adding content. He even refused any active part in solving the "problem" of [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TopMind TopMind]. Without any serious technical issue forcing him or any big upheaval in his kindergarten he was no showing up again on the remains of his "historic" wiki-experiment. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 08:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | : As everyone can see who has eyes in his head, Ward reluctantly did a minimum-intervention on [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PatternsOfClaimsAgainstTop PatternsOfClaimsAgainstTop] which is a collection of accusations, mostly by anonymous, that shows that so called community saw themselves unable to deal with the contributions "from the sheriffs office" and therefore cried out for the help to the [[God-king]]. He refused to actively step in and expressed his desire not to be disturbed again within the next two years. Since he got disturbed again only two years later, he was fed up and locked down the wiki to ensure his peace. This again was only a maintenance note on account of external pressure. If he would not have responded at all, people would have called him irresponsible. But he did not take part in adding content. He even refused any active part in solving the "problem" of [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TopMind TopMind]. Without any serious technical issue forcing him or any big upheaval in his kindergarten he was no showing up again on the remains of his "historic" wiki-experiment. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 08:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
''Your assertion was that Ward's last edit was in 2005. Clearly, it isn't. The nature and content of the edit are irrelevant, and your comment only demonstrates your lack of understanding of the culture and mock-grumpy banter that is characteristic of the WikiWikiWeb.'' | ''Your assertion was that Ward's last edit was in 2005. Clearly, it isn't. The nature and content of the edit are irrelevant, and your comment only demonstrates your lack of understanding of the culture and mock-grumpy banter that is characteristic of the WikiWikiWeb.'' | ||
* The "mock-grumpy banter" is in no way a speciality of that wiki. I have seen this nearly everywhere in digital textual asynchronous communication in the last 25 years. Your assumption demonstrates a great lack of experience outside that wiki in general. Also it '''was''' characteristic if at all. There '''is''' no banter any more. The wiki is locked, the experiment is over. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 09:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | * The "mock-grumpy banter" is in no way a speciality of that wiki. I have seen this nearly everywhere in digital textual asynchronous communication in the last 25 years. Your assumption demonstrates a great lack of experience outside that wiki in general. Also it '''was''' characteristic if at all. There '''is''' no banter any more. The wiki is locked, the experiment is over. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 09:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
''Of course, such banter is common. I didn't say otherwise. What I did say is that it is "characteristic of the WikiWikiWeb", much as it is characteristic of other wikis and fora in general. That you took such banter seriously, above, suggests that either you "demonstrates a great lack of experience", or that your argument is dishonest because you tried to use it to make a point that you yourself don't agree with.'' | |||
* It is not Your call to rule what is irrelevant. The nature and content is relevant because Ward was the only one who had two or three roles: Creator, maintainer and contributor. Every one else was only contributor. No other person wrote the software or owned the domain or had the contract with the provider of. Therefore he was called God-king. Therefore the content and nature of his edits are to be distinguished and related to any of the roles. You should be extremely happy, that after silently dropping his role as a contributor he did not drop his role as a maintainer as well. Otherwise the wiki would have been locked like meatball since long or down like w²k. So You could play the one-eyed king and sharkmaster in the land of the blind ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 09:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | * It is not Your call to rule what is irrelevant. The nature and content is relevant because Ward was the only one who had two or three roles: Creator, maintainer and contributor. Every one else was only contributor. No other person wrote the software or owned the domain or had the contract with the provider of. Therefore he was called God-king. Therefore the content and nature of his edits are to be distinguished and related to any of the roles. You should be extremely happy, that after silently dropping his role as a contributor he did not drop his role as a maintainer as well. Otherwise the wiki would have been locked like meatball since long or down like w²k. So You could play the one-eyed king and sharkmaster in the land of the blind ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 09:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
''It is not "Your" call to rule that edits of Ward's are to be "distinguished and related to any of [his] roles". That's merely your awkward way of rationalising your vandalism to WikiWikiWeb based on your apparent argument that Ward must not have cared because he wasn't constantly involved. Actually, it doesn't matter whether Ward was an active participant or not. As is characteristic of innumerable Internet Fora, the owner participated rarely, preferring to let his users get on with it.'' | |||
''You appear to be oddly obsessed with -- and very disparaging toward -- the WikiWikiWeb. Why is that?'' | ''You appear to be oddly obsessed with -- and very disparaging toward -- the WikiWikiWeb. Why is that?'' | ||