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 Information about why the server move is hanging are not given to the 'community', because nobody really cares about WikiIndex 'community'.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:56, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
-*I apologize for being unresponsive and not supporting the community discussion about the ServerName.  I'm still imagining that the ServerName discussion is in the future after the [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove|ServerMove]], but there is no reason the community can't start the discussion any time it wishes to.  I don't know how the decision will be made about the ServerName ... any suggestions?
+:*I apologize for being unresponsive and not supporting the community discussion about the ServerName.  I'm still imagining that the ServerName discussion is in the future after the [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove|ServerMove]], but there is no reason the community can't start the discussion any time it wishes to.  I don't know how the decision will be made about the ServerName ... any suggestions?
-*The <tt>wiki.index</tt> site is a testing version of WikiIndex where we can verify that all the needed extensions are installed and playing nicely with each other.  It is not intended to be an immediate replacement for <tt>WikiIndex.org</tt> ... it is just a convenient location for me to host the server during this testing phase.
+:*The <tt>wiki.index</tt> site is a testing version of WikiIndex where we can verify that all the needed extensions are installed and playing nicely with each other.  It is not intended to be an immediate replacement for <tt>WikiIndex.org</tt> ... it is just a convenient location for me to host the server during this testing phase.
-*Again, I apologize for giving the impression that nobody really cares about the WikiIndex "community".  The community is what's awesome about WikiIndex.  Can we rebuild trust Manorainjan?
+:*Again, I apologize for giving the impression that nobody really cares about the WikiIndex "community".  The community is what's awesome about WikiIndex.  Can we rebuild trust Manorainjan?
-[[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 14:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
+:[[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 14:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
-So awesome, that since 2008 You did not even add Your own wiki <tt>http://wiki.SolSeed.org/SolSeed</tt> to this index? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
+::So awesome, that since 2008 You did not even add Your own wiki <tt>http://wiki.SolSeed.org/SolSeed</tt> to this index? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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 Not that .wiki would actually mean that it is an organisation or organized, but at least it implies, connotes sufficiently the collaboration of many. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
-I like to point out, that the domain <tt>WikiIndex.wiki</tt> does not mean a change in the name of the wiki.  The Name would stay as WikiIndex.  It is only a change in the TLD.  It also requires no change in the logo.  (whereas I find the current logo terrible!!)
+:I like to point out, that the domain <tt>WikiIndex.wiki</tt> does not mean a change in the name of the wiki.  The Name would stay as WikiIndex.  It is only a change in the TLD.  It also requires no change in the logo.  (whereas I find the current logo terrible!!)
-If one would make <tt>index.wiki</tt> the new domain, than it means to change the name of the wiki to '''Index'''.  How silly is that?? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
+:If one would make <tt>index.wiki</tt> the new domain, than it means to change the name of the wiki to '''Index'''.  How silly is that?? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
-:The original [[Wikipedia: top-level domain]]s were divided into two groups:
+::The original [[Wikipedia: top-level domain]]s were divided into two groups:
-:(a) country code top-level domains, and (b) generic top-level domains.
+::(a) country code top-level domains, and (b) generic top-level domains.
-:*the WikiIndex is not local to any one country, so none of the country code top-level domains are appropriate
+::*the WikiIndex is not local to any one country, so none of the country code top-level domains are appropriate
-:*The original generic top-level domains were <tt>.com .edu .gov .mil .org</tt> (see [[Wikipedia: generic top-level domain]]).
+::*The original generic top-level domains were <tt>.com .edu .gov .mil .org</tt> (see [[Wikipedia: generic top-level domain]]).
-:*the WikiIndex is noncommercial, not a United States-affiliated institutions of higher education, not a government agency, not a US DoD organization, so none of <tt>.com</tt>, <tt>.edu</tt>, <tt>.gov</tt>, or <tt>.mil</tt> are appropriate.
+::*the WikiIndex is noncommercial, not a United States-affiliated institutions of higher education, not a government agency, not a US DoD organization, so none of <tt>.com</tt>, <tt>.edu</tt>, <tt>.gov</tt>, or <tt>.mil</tt> are appropriate.
-:*That leaves only <tt>.org</tt> "non-profit organizations" as the most appropriate of any of the original top-level domains.
+::*That leaves only <tt>.org</tt> "non-profit organizations" as the most appropriate of any of the original top-level domains.
-:It makes me sad when people are tricked into thinking that the commercial internet ("<tt>.com</tt>") is all there is to the internet, or thinking that the top-level domain "<tt>.org</tt>" doesn't mean anything or "speak to" the general web-surfer.  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 21:23, 24 April 2015 (PDT)
+::It makes me sad when people are tricked into thinking that the commercial internet ("<tt>.com</tt>") is all there is to the internet, or thinking that the top-level domain "<tt>.org</tt>" doesn't mean anything or "speak to" the general web-surfer.  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 21:23, 24 April 2015 (PDT)
-::I did neither write or implied that <tt>.org</tt> does not speak to the internet user. I think it does speak to the user and means something to them. What I say is, that WikiIndex is not actually any organisation. And even more than that I say that it is more a wiki than an organisation. Also I like to emphasize that I actually not care so much about lack of possibilities in the past. Today we got .wiki as TLD. So not only .org is left as non fitting but least nonsensical solution. If we see a chance for change to the better, will we take it or dwell in problems of the past?
+:::I did neither write or implied that <tt>.org</tt> does not speak to the internet user. I think it does speak to the user and means something to them. What I say is, that WikiIndex is not actually any organisation. And even more than that I say that it is more a wiki than an organisation. Also I like to emphasize that I actually not care so much about lack of possibilities in the past. Today we got .wiki as TLD. So not only .org is left as non fitting but least nonsensical solution. If we see a chance for change to the better, will we take it or dwell in problems of the past?
-::Maybe You can give some reasons, some facts or observations that support the claim that WikiIndex is an organisation? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 23:48, 24 April 2015 (PDT)
+:::Maybe You can give some reasons, some facts or observations that support the claim that WikiIndex is an organisation? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 23:48, 24 April 2015 (PDT)
 Dear {{u|Manorainjan}},
-I am fascinated by your insistence that the people who edit WikiIndex are not an organisation.  I suspect I still have a lot to learn about how people organize and coordinate their efforts in order to do things.  I am pretty sure you know many things I don't know about organisation; how can I learn more?
+I am fascinated by your insistence that the people who edit WikiIndex are not an [[:Category:Organisation|organisation]].  I suspect I still have a lot to learn about how people organize and coordinate their efforts in order to do things.  I am pretty sure you know many things I don't know about organisation; how can I learn more?
-On the other hand, the people who ought to know more about the "<tt>.org</tt>" domain than anyone else are the people at the Public Interest Registry.  According to the [http://pir.org/resources/faq/ Public Interest Registry FAQ],
+On the other hand, the people who ought to know more about the "<tt>.org</tt>" domain than anyone else are the people at the [http://PIR.org Public Interest Registry].  According to the [http://PIR.org/resources/faq/ Public Interest Registry FAQ],
 ''"Can I register a .org domain name if I am not a 501(c)?
-Yes, ... .org sites are run by clubs, incorporated and unincorporated not-for-profit organizations, industry associations, families, individuals, schools, foundations, and more."''
+Yes, ... .org sites are run by clubs, [[Cambridge-Dictionary:incorporated|incorporated]] and unincorporated not-for-profit organizations, industry associations, families, individuals, schools, foundations, and more."''
 ===Organization===
-I don't understand what it means for an "individual", by himself, to be an "organization".  But if I'm reading that FAQ correctly, a website run by a single individual -- such as the person who started the WikiIndex -- qualifies for the "<tt>.org</tt>" domain.  Since then, I hear he has handed over back-end maintenance to 2 other people, and has attracted a few people like you and me to post stuff.  Surely that group of people are even more of an "organization" than a single person?
+I don't understand what it means for an "individual", by himself, to be an "[[Cambridge-Dictionary:organization|organization]]".  But if I'm reading that FAQ correctly, a website run by a single individual -- such as the person who started the [[WikiIndex]] -- qualifies for the "<tt>.org</tt>" domain.  Since then, I hear he has handed over back-end maintenance to 2 other people, and has attracted a few people like you and me to post stuff.  Surely that group of people are even more of an "organization" than a single person?
 I'm guessing that your definition of "organization" involves more than one person and also using certain effective techniques for getting things done.  (My definition of "organization" is apparently much looser, along the lines of "a group of individuals of voluntarily work towards some common goal in some place", and apparently I'm starting to think of the WikiIndex website as "a place" "in cyberspace").  Honestly, I'm much more interested in learning about those effective techniques for getting things done, than I am in what particular domain name we use to access this web site.  Could you give me some links to websites or names of books that discuss techniques used by "real" organisations?  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 15:39, 1 May 2015 (PDT)
-:An organization is a consciously created, goal-oriented structure. It has founders and members. The members interact methodical based on the division of labor to reach a goal or ensure a purpose. There are structures, which by means of rules, processes and coordination assign certain functions to the specialized members in a defined processes. Beyond that You may delve into wikipedias pages about that topic.
+:An organization is a consciously created, goal-oriented structure. It has [[founder]]s and members. The members interact methodical based on the division of labor to reach a goal or ensure a purpose. There are structures, which by means of rules, processes and coordination assign certain functions to the specialized members in a defined processes. Beyond that You may delve into wikipedias pages about that topic.
 :The fact that the TLD <tt>.org</tt> is available to individuals is a purely commercial matter and has got nothing to do what it means to be an organization, obviously. Besides that I think it is reasonable to allow an individual to register an name.org whenever they intend to found an organization. The internet is full of misnomer, euphemisms and all kind of lies. the question is, if we want to foster that? [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style=color:orange>Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:36, 1 May 2015 (PDT)
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 From this point of view we are totally free to move to whatever name, because WikiIndex is not established at all. Nobody ever cared to do it. WikiIndex did not even make it into the relevance rank for having a page on en:wikipedia de:wikipedia, fr:wikipedia or any other wikipedia. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 03:08, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
-:It is in the [[metawiki:interwiki map|interwiki map]], though. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 03:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
+:It is in the {{WMF-Meta|interwiki map}}, though. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 03:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 Oh, one more link ;-) I'm sure this map can be adjusted if the domain changes! So this is no reason not to change the domain. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 03:13, 15 March 2015 (UTC)