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==Hello== | |||
Huw Powell, | Huw Powell, I(we) have thousands of things to do. I think your are aware that [[WikiIndex]] has no cyber judge function (at present). Would you be so kind as to give CP and other readers time to overthink your point of view. With the hope that my english is understandable. Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:33, 10 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
I(we) have thousands of things to do. I think your are aware that [[WikiIndex]] has no cyber judge function (at present). Would you be so kind as to give CP and other readers time to overthink your point of view. With the hope that my english is understandable. Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:33, 10 July 2009 (EDT) | |||
:I think you mean PC, not CP? Your English is far better than my German. Far, far better. And thank you for the welcome! [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:12, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | :I think you mean PC, not CP? Your English is far better than my German. Far, far better. And thank you for the welcome! [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:12, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
== Censoring dissenting opinion == | ==Censoring dissenting opinion== | ||
Hello again, I'm writing in reference to your recent edit of the [[RationalWiki]] article, wherein you removed the link to the following argument. "[[Talk:RationalWiki (en)#Criticism and rebuttals|Wikipedia achieves the stated goals of RationalWiki better than RationalWiki does]]". Your edit summary was, "11:08, 1 September 2009 [...] (Lumenos, please whine on the talk page.)" <del>Did you read the argument?</del> [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:04, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
Hello again, I'm writing in reference to your recent edit of the [[RationalWiki]] article, wherein you removed the link to the following argument. "[[Talk:RationalWiki# | :I'm sorry, I found that you had in fact replied, but due to the location ([...]the general disorganization of talk pages [and my inexperience with wiki editing]) I neglected to notice it until now. I have answered your rebuttal and I will give you some time to formulate a response (if you should wish to do so) before possibly adding the comment back. [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F .28Who decides.3F.29|Consensus on this matter seems to be <del>favoring the creation of separate articles for Constructive Criticism (although where the links to these articles may be is less clear</del>)]][Well just read the link.]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:13, 3 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:I'm sorry, I found that you had in fact replied, but due to the location ([...]the general disorganization of talk pages [and my inexperience with wiki editing]) I neglected to notice it until now. I have answered your rebuttal and I will give you some time to formulate a response (if you should wish to do so) before possibly adding the comment back. [[WikiIndex: | |||
::"Consensus" is you and Proxima agreeing? Also, you completely ignored and failed to understand the responses to your bizarre WP vs RW thesis. Also, why don't you respond to comments where they are made? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:50, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ::"Consensus" is you and Proxima agreeing? Also, you completely ignored and failed to understand the responses to your bizarre WP vs RW thesis. Also, why don't you respond to comments where they are made? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:50, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::It '''seemed''' like Dilley might favor it, but I should obviously take into account the editors edits and not just the policy page when making determinations about consensus. So I apologize for that. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :::It '''seemed''' like Dilley might favor it, but I should obviously take into account the editors edits and not just the policy page when making determinations about consensus. So I apologize for that. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:::::''I wouldn't say it was the norm, but it doesn't strike me as being 'wrong'. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] '' | :::::''I wouldn't say it was the norm, but it doesn't strike me as being 'wrong'. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] '' | ||
::::::''So, what is it? The "norm"? In which case surely I could "own" the [[RationalWiki]] article...'' | ::::::''So, what is it? The "norm"? In which case surely I could "own" the [[RationalWiki]] article...'' | ||
:::::::Huw, these are dangerous words I'm hearing. You'd never dream of undermining a [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Blacker sacred technocracy] now would you? ...or is the Lumenati vision starting to work its way through that thick head of yours? *grin* [[User:Lumenos| | :::::::Huw, these are dangerous words I'm hearing. You'd never dream of undermining a [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Blacker sacred technocracy] now would you? ...or is the Lumenati vision starting to work its way through that thick head of yours? *grin* [[User:Lumenos|Lunemos]] 12:28, 6 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
Secondly, if you have any suggestions for why [[WikiIndex]] should not allow certain criticisms, or how to objectively judge which ones should or should not be allowed, your reasoning on this matter would be appreciated in [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#How_sympathetic_or_critical.3F_.28Who_decides.3F.29|this section of the policy page]]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:03, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | Secondly, if you have any suggestions for why [[WikiIndex]] should not allow certain criticisms, or how to objectively judge which ones should or should not be allowed, your reasoning on this matter would be appreciated in [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#How_sympathetic_or_critical.3F_.28Who_decides.3F.29|this section of the policy page]]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:03, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::How could I "grab" power? How do you feel about basic democratic ideals such as rule by law, equal protection under the law, and separation of power? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:38, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ::How could I "grab" power? How do you feel about basic democratic ideals such as rule by law, equal protection under the law, and separation of power? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:38, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::You noticed it is not really a policy page? There isn't any. So it is a policy development page and a page that links to what clues I could find (without bothering anyone) about what to expect from the administration. That is all we have so far. [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#Notes_to_editors_of_this_page|Dilley seems okay with having it here so long as it is not in a "neutral point of view". So we changed that]]. If it causes some problem, I will adapt it for [[Lumeniki]] and that's that. Is the power of suggestion really so threatening to you? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:38, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ::You noticed it is not really a policy page? There isn't any. So it is a policy development page and a page that links to what clues I could find (without bothering anyone) about what to expect from the administration. That is all we have so far. [[WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines#Notes_to_editors_of_this_page|Dilley seems okay with having it here so long as it is not in a "neutral point of view". So we changed that]]. If it causes some problem, I will adapt it for [[Lumeniki]] and that's that. Is the power of suggestion really so threatening to you? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:38, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
<big><big><big>''If we'd moved here when RW crunked we'd be completely dominating the wiki by now.</big></big></big> [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 22:04, 5 September 2009 (EDT)'' (quote by Lumenos from [[User_talk:Phantom_Hoover#Lumeniki|here]]) | |||
==My "agenda"== | ==My "agenda"== | ||
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:: Oh fsck off you irritating little piece of rectal slime. Do a fscking Google search for "cruft" and then fsck off. No, just fsck off. [[User:65.39.67.100|65.39.67.100]] 13:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT) | :: Oh fsck off you irritating little piece of rectal slime. Do a fscking Google search for "cruft" and then fsck off. No, just fsck off. [[User:65.39.67.100|65.39.67.100]] 13:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::: See also is for related things. Categories are for similar things. Only those wikis that are actually related (besides Proxima Centauri having an account on all of them) should be listed on see also. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 15:04, 9 September 2009 (EDT) | ::: See also is for related things. Categories are for similar things. Only those wikis that are actually related (besides Proxima Centauri having an account on all of them) should be listed on see also. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 15:04, 9 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::Thank you for a uummm possibly reasonable argument. I replied [[Talk:RationalWiki (en)#Huw Powel removed four similar wikis from the RationalWiki article 2|here]]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:17, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
::::1. the IP above is not me, 2. Nx is correct, 3. Why not talk about the RW article on its talk page? 4. They weren't "similar" except that they are wikis, with some overlapping membership. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 17:55, 9 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::1. the IP above is not me, 2. Nx is correct, 3. Why not talk about the RW article on its talk page? 4. They weren't "similar" except that they are wikis, with some overlapping membership. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 17:55, 9 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::I agree we should talk about the RationalWiki article there. But here we should talk about why you don't put in the edit history that you are deleting similar wikis? You don't think that all this controversy about censoring competition and criticism, would make such a move seem a bit sneaky? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:27, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::I agree we should talk about the RationalWiki article there. But here we should talk about why you don't put in the edit history that you are deleting similar wikis? You don't think that all this controversy about censoring competition and criticism, would make such a move seem a bit sneaky? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:27, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::You are such a moron. I did exactly what my edit comment said - removed duplicate sentence, and decrufted. Also, who the ''frick'' are you to tell me how to write my edit comments? Now go gently fondly yourself, concern troll. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:08, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
:::::::It would be fun to start every reply to you with some sort of insult but I don't want to look like a frustrated fewl. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:17, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
:::Thank you IP address. You probably won't be surprised that this isn't compelling me to leave. I'm a flexible person, who may actually change if you provide some constructive criticism. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:18, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | :::Thank you IP address. You probably won't be surprised that this isn't compelling me to leave. I'm a flexible person, who may actually change if you provide some constructive criticism. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:18, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:[[Talk:RationalWiki (en)#Related wikis discussion|Nx actually provided some plausibly legitimate reasons for Huw's edit]]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:03, 11 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
=="Stalking"== | |||
Hi Huw, regarding [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Nx&action=history 00:00, 11 September 2009 Huw Powell (Talk | contribs) (27 bytes) (Undid revision 71272 by Lumenos (stalk))]. You may notice that when you link to user page through a redirect from ("mainspace"?), it removes many of the "stalking" functions from the toolbox. I find all this whining about cyberstalking extremely ironic, given a prior conflict I do not wish to bring up. [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=71156&oldid=71110 Nx added some links] to the [[Lumeniki]] article. I am for sourcing "comments" which may be biased or dubious. That is why I created the page. Apparently Dilley is opting to end this practice now (as I noted on your user page) so I have redirected the links. Your input on WikiIndex (or simply my own) "policy" on [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#Biographical info|biographical info]], [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#Verifiability|verifiablity]], and notability (of the "see also" links in the [[Lumeniki]] article) is welcome, as always. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:01, 11 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
:It is not cyberstalking to look at someone's contributions. This is an open wiki. Being able to see the edits made by a user is a standard feature on open wikis. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 13:10, 11 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
::Sheeeeww. Gosh I thought I was doing some serious cyberstalking. Thanks for explaining that, Hooves. Way back before it was evil, Hoover posted [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#Legitimate acquisition of biographical info about .22adults.22|a more thorough explanation of his definition]]. PH seems to be less websearchophobic (and policyphobic) than the other RationalWikians. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:15, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
On an "unrelated" note. You have asked me a question concerning a [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Category:Lumenati_neologisms Lumenati neologism]. Now I like you even more than I used to. :-) This should not effect my objectivity in any way. It really shouldn't. (-; But I may be more inclined to be accurate and clear in communications. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:01, 11 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Gawd, Lumpy, before you stick me with an orange box, can you at last formulate an idea to communicate? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:52, 14 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
::Well I thought I had. Apparently Huw cannot comprehend "simple" Lumenati concepts. ;-) I formulate many ideas that seem clear to me, but I would need feedback to know how it appears to someone else, and to know if they would have any interest in it. I spent a good deal of time on [[Lumeniki]] before debuting it here, but it doesn't make much sense for me to work and work at it, if I'm the only one interested in it. I've been pleased at the turnout so far, [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/User:Tmtoulouse including someone claiming to be the honorable Trent (god of RationalWiki)]. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:01, 14 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
==No need== | |||
It is the convention at this wiki to have real people in the main namespace - but since you prefer not to, it is not a problem for you to stay in the user namespace. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | |||
:Thanks. If I change my mind in the future, is that ok? Just getting my legs here, and all... PS, I have no idea what Lumpy is on about in the above section. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:50, 14 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
:''Of course - your option, sorry I created the article in the first place without asking you. As far as Lumenos - I wonder what calling them Lumpy does for anything or anyone? I have asked them to slow down their editing here. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | |||
::What?!?! That wasn't an affectionate nickname?!?! :-) I'm not fragile, I don't want to be taken too seriously, and I make a lot of mistakes. It would be nice if Huw would put some more effort into communication but it is his prerogative to decide if that is worth it. I'm only worried about what the administration thinks of me. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:01, 14 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
:::Glad it was taken in the manner intended. I have a bad habit of coming up with silly, friendly corruptions of people's user names. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 15:29, 14 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
==Re: work on the new policies== | |||
Forgot you were involved; your suggestions are appreciated. Your proposed way of working on policies is pretty much what I had in mind, too. (09:59, 4 October 2009, unsigned by [[user:Felix]]) | |||
:Thanks, is much progress taking place? I should check recent changes again... [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 17:34, 4 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
::We've just started making policies for real. You're not late. See [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]] and [[WikiIndex_talk:Policies and Guidelines]]. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 00:19, 5 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
:::Thanks! [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:26, 5 October 2009 (EDT) | |||