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This '''WikiIndex community talk''' page is a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki | This '''WikiIndex community talk''' page is a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki people|individual person]] but towards the whole group; or if you don't know who to ask here at {{tag|WikiIndex}}. A similar page with similar purposes is '''[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal]]'''. | ||
You may wish to type your question in the search box to see if there has been a question like yours before, or consult the [[WikiIndex:Frequently asked questions|WikiIndex FAQ]] – ''before'' you post a question here. | You may wish to type your question in the search box to see if there has been a question like yours before, or consult the [[WikiIndex:Frequently asked questions|WikiIndex FAQ]] – ''before'' you post a question here. | ||
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==Renaming categories== | ==Renaming categories== | ||
How do you [[ | How do you [[Template:Rename|rename]] a [[Special:Categories|category]]? I don't mean cutting and pasting text to a new page. You should be able to [[move]] the page and its [[edit history]] to a new location. I can't do it even if I copy the old page title to the move page URL. Can any admin do it? | ||
I prepared to move Category:OddMuse to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.Oddmuse.org official website]. I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category. Ouch. [[ | I prepared to move Category:OddMuse to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.Oddmuse.org official website]. I opened all the articles with the OddMuse [[category]] in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category. Ouch. [[Special:Contributions/Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
:It seems {{WMF-Meta|Help:Category#Moving a category page|no-one can move categories}}. [[ | :It seems {{WMF-Meta|Help:Category#Moving a category page|no-one can move categories}}. [[Special:Contributions/Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] | ||
==input requested on categorization (meta)== | ==input requested on categorization (meta)== | ||
[[:Category:Browse]] is nicely becoming smaller. One outstanding issue is that we need a new [[Special:Categories|category]] for articles related to the whole wiki community that aren't meta to {{tag|WikiIndex}}, but sort of meta to all of wikilandia. [[Books]], [[Opt out]], [[WikiIndex:Weblogs|Weblogs]], [[What is a Wiki]] etc. Any suggestions? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:52, 15 Mar 2006 (EST) | [[:Category:Browse]] is nicely becoming smaller. One outstanding issue is that we need a new [[Special:Categories|category]] for articles related to the whole wiki community that aren't meta to {{tag|WikiIndex}}, but sort of meta to all of wikilandia. [[Books]], [[Opt out]], [[WikiIndex:Weblogs|Weblogs]], [[What is a Wiki]] etc. Any suggestions? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:52, 15 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
==[[:Category:Wiki | ==[[:Category:Wiki language]]?== | ||
Should there be a distinction between [[wiki]]s that are bilingual (e.g. [[WikiIndex]]-English & French), multilingual (e.g. [[Wikimedia Commons]]-multiple languages used within the same wiki), and multiple languages (e.g. most [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]] projects, such as the [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], that have versions in different languages [as sub-domains in the case of Wikimedia projects])? [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 00:44, 27 Mar 2006 (EST) | Should there be a distinction between [[wiki]]s that are bilingual (e.g. [[WikiIndex]]-English & French), multilingual (e.g. [[Wikimedia Commons]]-multiple languages used within the same wiki), and multiple languages (e.g. most [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]] projects, such as the [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], that have versions in different languages [as sub-domains in the case of Wikimedia projects])? [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 00:44, 27 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
:I just created Category:Deutsch as a redirect to [[:Category:German]]. This works in the sense that if you click on the Deutsch link under the categories at the bottom of the page you will go to Category:German. The problem is that any articles tagged with only Category:Deutsch do not show up under Category:German. After thinking about it, I am now changing Category:Deutsch to be a sub-category under [[:Category:German]]. I think that is the better to do things. I'll also do the same thing with Category:Español. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 20:47, 29 Mar 2006 (EST) | :I just created Category:Deutsch as a redirect to [[:Category:German]]. This works in the sense that if you click on the Deutsch link under the categories at the bottom of the page you will go to Category:German. The problem is that any articles tagged with only Category:Deutsch do not show up under Category:German. After thinking about it, I am now changing Category:Deutsch to be a sub-category under [[:Category:German]]. I think that is the better to do things. I'll also do the same thing with Category:Español. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 20:47, 29 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
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In order of who I have known longer: | In order of who I have known longer: | ||
*[[:Category:Socialtext|Socialtext]] - talk to [[Sunir Shah]] | *[[:Category:Socialtext|Socialtext]] - talk to [[Sunir Shah]] | ||
*[[:Category:Confluence|Confluence]] | *[[:Category:Confluence|Confluence]] Atlassian - https://www.Atlassian.com/software/confluence - Mike fron [[RecentChangesCamp]] | ||
*[[:Category:Wetpaint|Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks. | *[[:Category:Wetpaint|Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks. | ||
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==technical glitch== | ==technical glitch== | ||
Hello folks, I don't use watched pages very much. But I do on my [[user talk]] page, or did, way back when and I try to unwatch it. that doesn't work, every time I unwatch it, the next login, it is being watched again, any ideas? [[MarkDilley]] | Hello folks, I don't use watched pages very much. But I do on my [[WikiIndex:Talk pages for wiki people|user talk]] page, or did, way back when and I try to unwatch it. that doesn't work, every time I unwatch it, the next login, it is being watched again, any ideas? [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:I can only guess that that's a MediaWiki feature. If you don't use the [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]], does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | :I can only guess that that's a MediaWiki feature. If you don't use the [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]], does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
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:I'm sorry to hear you're annoyed, my friend. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | :I'm sorry to hear you're annoyed, my friend. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
::In [[Special:Preferences]] there is an option to add every page you edit to your watchlist. You may want to turn that off if it's not already off. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 22:59, 10 June 2006 (EDT) | ::In [[Special:Preferences]] there is an option to add every page you edit to your watchlist. You may want to turn that off if it's not already off. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 22:59, 10 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
:::It seems that our '''[[user talk]]''' pages are always in bold, is that true? [[MarkDilley]] | :::It seems that our '''[[WikiIndex:Talk pages for wiki people|user talk]]''' pages are always in bold, is that true? [[MarkDilley]] | ||
::::Your own user page can't be un-watched. I think it's somehow connected to talk page notification. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 00:56, 3 July 2006 (EDT) | ::::Your own user page can't be un-watched. I think it's somehow connected to talk page notification. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 00:56, 3 July 2006 (EDT) | ||
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==[[WikiNode]] question== | ==[[WikiNode]] question== | ||
I recently put my wiki up [[Trendpedia]] and today I saw an article on my wiki http://Trendpedia.ElWiki.com/WikiNode and I am trying to figure out what the article is supposed to be. Since it was done by an [[IP editor|IP]] and I'm not sure if they'll check back, I'm asking here. The thing is, it looks like a welcome message. I am not sure how to develop it. Is it supposed to be an article about [[WikiNode]] or [[WikiIndex]]? Why does it link to my wiki's recent changes and main page? [[ | I recently put my wiki up [[Trendpedia]] and today I saw an article on my wiki http://Trendpedia.ElWiki.com/WikiNode and I am trying to figure out what the article is supposed to be. Since it was done by an [[IP editor|IP]] and I'm not sure if they'll check back, I'm asking here. The thing is, it looks like a welcome message. I am not sure how to develop it. Is it supposed to be an article about [[WikiNode]] or [[WikiIndex]]? Why does it link to my wiki's recent changes and main page? [[Special:Contributions/ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:29, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
:That was me. Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network? [[WikiNodes Wiki|WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours. So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in. It linked back to your page on [[WikiIndex]] so you'd know it was us. Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage. Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors. Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | :That was me. Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network? [[WikiNodes Wiki|WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours. So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in. It linked back to your page on [[WikiIndex]] so you'd know it was us. Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage. Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors. Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
::I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost. Please see my comment at [[Category talk:ElWiki]]. [[ | ::I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost. Please see my comment at [[Category talk:ElWiki]]. [[Special:Contributions/ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 14:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
That's a drag. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:26, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | That's a drag. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:26, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
Well it's back up now without explanation. It's really hard to find a good [[wiki farm]], I find, though. [[EditThis.info]] has a size limit. [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] may cause you to lose control of your wiki at any time. The rest either give you a single page or are not [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]]. [[ | Well it's back up now without explanation. It's really hard to find a good [[wiki farm]], I find, though. [[EditThis.info]] has a size limit. [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] may cause you to lose control of your wiki at any time. The rest either give you a single page or are not [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]]. [[Special:Contributions/ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 21:29, 23 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
==Sitemap== | ==Sitemap== | ||
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==How are you doing hotlinking in mediawiki== | ==How are you doing hotlinking in mediawiki== | ||
On my wiki's article here <nowiki>https://WikiIndex.org/Trendpedia well</nowiki> it's hotlinking my logo. I can't find how this happens. {{{logo}}} | On my wiki's article here <nowiki>https://WikiIndex.org/Trendpedia well</nowiki> it's hotlinking my logo. I can't find how this happens. {{{logo}}} with three { and } instead of two is the only thing I see and that's in the wiki template, which is full of the three { and } things. Two is templates. So what are the three? I'm more interested in how this is done and what the three { } are above. I would actually prefer to keep the image hotlinked because it lets me test if I have hotlinks blocked, which I think I finally figured out how to do thanks to this site. [[Special:Contributions/ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:52, 9 September 2006 (EDT) | ||
: [[Sean Fennel]] is the one that probably knows the answer to this one. [[MarkDilley]] | : [[Sean Fennel]] is the one that probably knows the answer to this one. [[MarkDilley]] | ||
::Hotlinks can on some MediaWikis be made by just writing the URL. The {}'s are parameters in templates that allows the user to customize the template. <span title="Swedish n-dash FTW!">–</span> [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 14:01, 15 November 2006 (EST) | ::Hotlinks can on some MediaWikis be made by just writing the URL. The {}'s are parameters in templates that allows the user to customize the template. <span title="Swedish n-dash FTW!">–</span> [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 14:01, 15 November 2006 (EST) | ||
:One caveat with hotlinking: As of MediaWiki 1.8, this appears to be turned off by default (although it can be re-enabled by system administrators by changing LocalSettings.php). Default in earlier versions was to replace any exposed link to an external image URL with the hotlinked image itself. | :One caveat with hotlinking: As of {{Mw|MediaWiki 1.8}}, this appears to be turned off by default (although it can be re-enabled by system administrators by changing LocalSettings.php). Default in earlier versions was to replace any exposed link to an external image URL with the hotlinked image itself. | ||
:Perhaps hotlinks are falling out-of-favour on some sites as they consume bandwidth on the external site to which they link, as well as being prone to abuse as a means to link 'shock images' from wiki pages. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 14:13, 15 December 2006 (EST) | :Perhaps hotlinks are falling out-of-favour on some sites as they consume bandwidth on the external site to which they link, as well as being prone to abuse as a means to link 'shock images' from wiki pages. --[[User talk:Carlb|Carlb]] 14:13, 15 December 2006 (EST) | ||
==For those of you who function better in UseMod== | ==For those of you who function better in UseMod== | ||
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==Feedback== | ==Feedback== | ||
Feedback – there, you have my idea. What do you think about it? Want to add your wiki? --[[User:Let's|Let's]] 12:02, 10 November 2006 (EST) | |||
== | ==BuildingControlsWiki== | ||
On page https://wiki.Ubuntu.com/InterWiki. I see a link to a | On page https://wiki.Ubuntu.com/InterWiki. I see a link to a [[BuildingControlsWiki]]. Apparently, that page (including that link) was copied from http://moinmaster.WikiWikiWeb.de/InterWikiMap. Alas, it appears that wiki has gone offline. Or perhaps it moved? does anyone know where? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:12, 22 November 2006 (EST) | ||
==Category images== | ==Category images== | ||
If it's not too server-painful, we can upload an image for each category, for example a French flag for [[:Category:French]], or a image of an iPod at [[:Category:iPod]]. <span title="gotta love Wii">–</span> [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:23, 7 December 2006 (EST) | If it's not too server-painful, we can upload an image for each [[Special:Categories|category]], for example a French flag for [[:Category:French]], or a image of an iPod at [[:Category:iPod]]. <span title="gotta love Wii">–</span> [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:23, 7 December 2006 (EST) | ||
:If you're looking for flags, https://OpenClipart.org has a reasonably full set as public-domain .SVG's. Perhaps you could use those? --[[Special:Contributions/66.102.73.18|66.102.73.18]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (EST) | :If you're looking for flags, https://OpenClipart.org has a reasonably full set as public-domain .SVG's. Perhaps you could use those? --[[Special:Contributions/66.102.73.18|66.102.73.18]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (EST) | ||
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:CAPTCHAs are rather difficult to implement effectively, and really only stop spambots. I think (hope) I've created a whitelist and added that as the first entry. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 16:05, 1 January 2007 (PST) | :CAPTCHAs are rather difficult to implement effectively, and really only stop spambots. I think (hope) I've created a whitelist and added that as the first entry. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 16:05, 1 January 2007 (PST) | ||
:Spambots are the source of most of the wiki linkspam at the moment, and blacklists are doing a poor job of dealing with the problems as spammers are free to just register more domain names and hide behind a long list of open proxies scattered across the net. There is an extension (ConfirmEdit) available from MediaWiki's SVN that provides a captcha (or asks for the answer to a maths problem) - I've found it to be the most effective way to stop 'bots from posting anything with any external links. This would be the majority of rubbish pages with trailing /'s, /index.php/ or other nonsense in the titles. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | :Spambots are the source of most of the wiki linkspam at the moment, and blacklists are doing a poor job of dealing with the problems as spammers are free to just register more domain names and hide behind a long list of open proxies scattered across the net. There is an extension (ConfirmEdit) available from MediaWiki's SVN that provides a captcha (or asks for the answer to a maths problem) - I've found it to be the most effective way to stop 'bots from posting anything with any external links. This would be the majority of rubbish pages with trailing /'s, /index.php/ or other nonsense in the titles. --[[User talk:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
:We use the wikimedia blacklist for most of our link spam filtering see: {{WMF-Meta|Spam blacklist|spam blacklist}} if your url appears in that blacklist you should probably notify them because many wikis use that list to control spam. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | :We use the wikimedia blacklist for most of our link spam filtering see: {{WMF-Meta|Spam blacklist|spam blacklist}} if your url appears in that blacklist you should probably notify them because many wikis use that list to control spam. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
It's been brought up before, but the blacklist makes it impossible to edit the entry on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. I was only planning to update the statistics and the logo. Is there a way to whitelist ED such that the article can be edited by registered users? [[ | It's been brought up before, but the blacklist makes it impossible to edit the entry on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. I was only planning to update the statistics and the logo. Is there a way to whitelist ED such that the article can be edited by registered users? [[Special:Contributions/Dianoga|Dianoga]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (EST) | ||
:Could I please get a local whitelisting for the site gargoyles.dracandros.com/ (with an http:// at the front). It's for the page on [[GargWiki]]. If this is not an appropriate place to ask about it, where should I go? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 11:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT) | :Could I please get a local whitelisting for the site gargoyles.dracandros.com/ (with an http:// at the front). It's for the page on [[GargWiki]]. If this is not an appropriate place to ask about it, where should I go? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 11:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT) | ||
==RecentChanges.info== | ==RecentChanges.info== | ||
What happened to the [[RecentChanges.info]] blog (http://RecentChanges.info)? I followed the instructions on [[:Category:Draft weblog article|draft weblog article]] to add my wiki posting to [[Template: | What happened to the [[RecentChanges.info]] blog (http://RecentChanges.info)? I followed the instructions on [[:Category:Draft weblog article|draft weblog article]] to add my wiki posting to [[Template:Wiki spotlight]], but RecentChanges.info seems to have had no update since August 21, 2006! --[[Special:Contributions/84.155.249.44|84.155.249.44]] 10:19, 13 January 2007 (PST) | ||
==WikiIndex.org== | ==WikiIndex.org== | ||
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:As far as I know, it still works. As for that image, I'll look through the deletion logs and see if it's there. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:15, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | :As far as I know, it still works. As for that image, I'll look through the deletion logs and see if it's there. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:15, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | ||
::Ah, something's linking to it as a wiki page rather than a file. Ping John on that. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:18, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | ::Ah, something's linking to it as a wiki page rather than a file. Ping John on that. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:18, 1 May 2007 (PDT) | ||
:As of MediaWiki 1.8, ''$wgAllowExternalImages = false;'' is the default. This can only be changed from the config files (LocalSettings.php). --[[ | :As of MediaWiki 1.8, ''$wgAllowExternalImages = false;'' is the default. This can only be changed from the config files (LocalSettings.php). --[[Special:Contributions/Carlb|Carlb]] 10:05, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
::External images are re-enabled (part of the rebuilding process). [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:32, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | ::External images are re-enabled (part of the rebuilding process). [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:32, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
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Can we have those? – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 13:13, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | Can we have those? – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 13:13, 14 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
:Refresh me on the template signatures, what do we need to do? [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | :Refresh me on the template signatures, what do we need to do? [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
::So that we can have very nice looking signatures that don't take up six rows in the edit box.<br | ::So that we can have very nice looking signatures that don't take up six rows in the edit box.<br> | ||
Example: You can have <code><nowiki>{{User:Smiddle/sig}}</nowiki></code> instead of | Example: You can have <code><nowiki>{{User:Smiddle/sig}}</nowiki></code> instead of | ||
<pre style= | <pre style=overflow:auto><nowiki> | ||
– '''[[User:Smiddle|<span title="My user page"><font color= | – '''[[User:Smiddle|<span title="My user page"><font color=012e01>S</font><font color=113e11>m</font><font color=214e21>i</font><font color=214e21>d</font><font color=315e31>d</font><font color=416e41>l</font><font color=517e51>e</font></span>]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Smiddle|<span title="Talk"><font color=2e0101>T</font><font color=3e1111>a</font><font color=4e2121>l</font><font color=5e3131>k</font></span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|<span title="What I've done"><font color=01012e>C</font><font color=11113e>o</font><font color=21214e>n</font><font color=31315e>t</font><font color=41416e>r</font><font color=51517e>i</font><font color=61618e>b</font><font color=71719e>s</font></span>]]''')</small></nowiki></pre> | ||
– [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:50, 28 May 2007 (EDT) | – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:50, 28 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
:Nothing technical would need to be done. Might as well set myself up one. {{User:Sean Fennel/signature}} 03:04, 31 May 2007 (EDT)'''EDIT:''' Nothing technical except allowing subpages in the "User" namespace. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 03:09, 31 May 2007 (EDT) | :Nothing technical would need to be done. Might as well set myself up one. {{User:Sean Fennel/signature}} 03:04, 31 May 2007 (EDT)'''EDIT:''' Nothing technical except allowing subpages in the "[[User]]" namespace. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 03:09, 31 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
::Yeah, User | ::Yeah, User [[namespace]]s have subpages turned on by default, guess I'll have to get with the program :-) [[User:John Stanton|John]] 10:28, 31 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
:::In some wikis, these take up bandwith and stuff, so I were just asking. – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 16:34, 31 May 2007 (EDT) | :::In some wikis, these take up bandwith and stuff, so I were just asking. – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 16:34, 31 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
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:Hmm - I thought AboutUs was web-focused rather than local focused. Have you started to move in that direction at all, of the kind of thing I've been talking about, or is it something you've just been thinking about? Curious to hear your ideas. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 09:26, 14 February 2008 (EST) | :Hmm - I thought AboutUs was web-focused rather than local focused. Have you started to move in that direction at all, of the kind of thing I've been talking about, or is it something you've just been thinking about? Curious to hear your ideas. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</sup></small> 09:26, 14 February 2008 (EST) | ||
::Have a look at [[WikiSocial]] --[[ | ::Have a look at [[WikiSocial]] --[[Special:Contributions/Matthias|Matthias]] 12:45, 14 February 2008 (EST) | ||
:::A wiki to help people connect sounds like a good idea. | :::A wiki to help people connect sounds like a good idea. | ||
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:[tangent] Many newcomers to wiki think that WYSIWYG is absolutely necessary. However, [http://CommunityWiki.org/WysiwygIsntLinking other people] feel that communicating and connecting ideas is the top priority, and current WYSIWYG wiki implementations make that unnecessarily difficult -- other, simpler ways to edit are better.[/tangent] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:52, 18 September 2008 (EDT) | :[tangent] Many newcomers to wiki think that WYSIWYG is absolutely necessary. However, [http://CommunityWiki.org/WysiwygIsntLinking other people] feel that communicating and connecting ideas is the top priority, and current WYSIWYG wiki implementations make that unnecessarily difficult -- other, simpler ways to edit are better.[/tangent] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:52, 18 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:Anyone considering doing this may find the | :Anyone considering doing this may find the {{Wb|Starting and Running a Wiki Website|Wikibook: Starting and running a wiki website}} helpful. | ||
:Perhaps also the [[Wiki: RunningYourOwnWikiFaq]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:15, 11 December 2008 (EST) | :Perhaps also the [[Wiki: RunningYourOwnWikiFaq]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:15, 11 December 2008 (EST) | ||
==Wikipedia lessons== | ==[[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] lessons== | ||
I was reading [http://valleywag.com/390598/is-jimmy-wales-getting-wikipedia-in-legal-trouble this article tonight] and was wondering what this might mean for people who run their own wikis regarding legal issues. Thoughts? --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] 23:18, 14 May 2008 (EDT) | I was reading [http://valleywag.com/390598/is-jimmy-wales-getting-wikipedia-in-legal-trouble this article tonight] and was wondering what this might mean for people who run their own wikis regarding legal issues. Thoughts? --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] 23:18, 14 May 2008 (EDT) | ||
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==Namespace Org/Re-org and general ideas== | ==Namespace Org/Re-org and general ideas== | ||
First of all, I'd like to say a general "hi" to the regulars here, I've been registered, but not really shown myself much. Looking around the wiki, I've decided that for the readers, unless they know their wikis exact name, it is rather difficult to find the wiki they're looking for. Also, if they simply wish to find a list of all wikis on the subject of "cooking", for example, it could be quite challenging. I may be new on the WikiIndex, but I do frequent various wikis across the net, such as [http://www.UESP.net/wiki/Main_Page UESP], [http://ElderScrolls.Wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ESWiki], [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], as well as owning a few [[:Category:Private|private wikis]], under the two aliases "Jacjohncoles" and "Game Lord". This means that I have a pretty thourough knowledge of how wikis work, both from the [[editor]]s point of view, and from the [[owner]]s point of view. To get back to why I'm posting this in the first place though. I'm not saying that the wiki is in a disorganized mess, but I am saying that it could, in my opinion at least, be done better. My suggestions to improve organization are the following: | First of all, I'd like to say a general "hi" to the regulars here, I've been registered, but not really shown myself much. Looking around the wiki, I've decided that for the readers, unless they know their wikis exact name, it is rather difficult to find the wiki they're looking for. Also, if they simply wish to find a list of all wikis on the subject of "cooking", for example, it could be quite challenging. I may be new on the WikiIndex, but I do frequent various wikis across the net, such as [http://www.UESP.net/wiki/Main_Page UESP], [http://ElderScrolls.Wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ESWiki], [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], as well as owning a few [[:Category:Private|private wikis]], under the two aliases "Jacjohncoles" and "Game Lord". This means that I have a pretty thourough knowledge of how wikis work, both from the [[editor]]s point of view, and from the [[owner]]s point of view. To get back to why I'm posting this in the first place though. I'm not saying that the wiki is in a disorganized mess, but I am saying that it could, in my opinion at least, be done better. My suggestions to improve organization are the following: | ||
*Create seperate | *Create seperate [[Namespace]]s for the three main subjects that WikiIndex covers. An idea for the Namespace names would be "Wiki", "Editor", and "Idea". This would give us a first step to splitting WikiIndex up into three seperate sections. | ||
*Once we have this, we can proceed further. Each Namespace could have a main page, such as "Wiki:Contents", "Editor:Contents", and "Idea:Contents". In these content pages, we could start with splitting up individual wikis up into sections. Seperate headers for different sortations, such as "Wikis by size", "Wikis by subject" and so on. | *Once we have this, we can proceed further. Each Namespace could have a main page, such as "Wiki:Contents", "Editor:Contents", and "Idea:Contents". In these content pages, we could start with splitting up individual wikis up into sections. Seperate headers for different sortations, such as "Wikis by size", "Wikis by subject" and so on. | ||
*These contents pages, so that they can easily be found, could be linked to from the sidebar. An obvious place to put them would be under "navigation". Equally logical would be to create a new header, called "sections" or something similar. | *These contents pages, so that they can easily be found, could be linked to from the sidebar. An obvious place to put them would be under "navigation". Equally logical would be to create a new header, called "sections" or something similar. | ||
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==articles?== | ==articles?== | ||
Hi everybody. I've just signed up. Can one create an "article" here on say, Barack Obama, to use as a link farm to other wikis: e.g. Wikipedia article on Obama, [[Conservapedia]] article on Obama, [[Uncyclopedia]] article on Obama, et al? If not there where can this be done? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks [[ | Hi everybody. I've just signed up. Can one create an "article" here on say, Barack Obama, to use as a link farm to other wikis: e.g. Wikipedia article on Obama, [[Conservapedia]] article on Obama, [[Uncyclopedia]] article on Obama, et al? If not there where can this be done? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/Yartet|Yartet]] 15:56, 15 December 2008 (EST) | ||
:I believe that everything is on-topic somewhere [http://www.communitywiki.org/en/OnAndOffTopic]. | :I believe that everything is on-topic somewhere [http://www.communitywiki.org/en/OnAndOffTopic]. | ||
:I would love for Mr. Obama to create a page at WikiIndex about himself, a page that would show the world that he is, in fact, one of the [[:Category:Wiki | :I would love for Mr. Obama to create a page at WikiIndex about himself, a page that would show the world that he is, in fact, one of the [[:Category:Wiki people]] | ||
:However, the WikiIndex is intended to be a index of wiki. | :However, the WikiIndex is intended to be a index of wiki. | ||
:Since Mr. Obama is not, himself, a wiki, nor (yet) one of the [[:Category:Wiki | :Since Mr. Obama is not, himself, a wiki, nor (yet) one of the [[:Category:Wiki people]], I don't think it is really appropriate for either of us to create an article about Mr. Obama here at WikiIndex. | ||
:Until then, I think the best place at WikiIndex to put your list of links to wiki that have articles about Mr. Obama is in a "related wiki" section of the [[Obamapedia]] article at WikiIndex. | :Until then, I think the best place at WikiIndex to put your list of links to wiki that have articles about Mr. Obama is in a "related wiki" section of the [[Obamapedia]] article at WikiIndex. | ||
:--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 16:49, 31 December 2008 (EST) | :--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 16:49, 31 December 2008 (EST) | ||
==proposal== | ==proposal== | ||
of a structure and naming scheme for wiki sites with multiple language versions: have a look [[WikiIndex:Naming conventions#multiple language versions|here]] and discuss it before it gets a new recommended standard or so...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 18:44, 29 January 2009 (EST) | of a structure and naming scheme for wiki sites with multiple language versions: have a look [[WikiIndex:Naming conventions#multiple language versions|here]] and discuss it before it gets a new recommended standard or so...--[[User talk:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 18:44, 29 January 2009 (EST) | ||
==Dead wiki URL taken over by cybersquatters== | ==Dead wiki URL taken over by cybersquatters== | ||
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==SizeBot?== | ==SizeBot?== | ||
I've seen a number of other [[wiki]]s that have bots that go around and do minor cleanup jobs. Would it possible to create a [[:Category:User | I've seen a number of other [[wiki]]s that have bots that go around and do minor cleanup jobs. Would it possible to create a [[:Category:User bot|bot]] that goes around and checks any pages that contain [[Template:Size]]? This [[:Category:Templates|template]] contains the size of the wiki, but also has a link where the new size can be read. A bot should (hopefully) be able to follow the link, look at the current size of the wiki and then update the number of pages back on [[:Category:All|WikiIndex]]. | ||
Template:Size also features the [[wikiFactor]], and I wonder if the same bot could also check this information. (Having said that, I know nothing about bot programming and it might be easier to have a second bot to do that.) A bot that searches for wikis that do not currently have a wikiFactor (and then searches the wiki stats to see if it can be added) could also be useful. I know that all wikis work slightly differently, but wiki farms (like [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]) generally have the same setup on every wiki, so it might be easier to create a User:WikiaWikiFactorBot than a multi-wiki User:wikiFactorBot. But I would think that any automation of moving stats would help keep WikiIndex as up to date as possible. | Template:Size also features the [[wikiFactor]], and I wonder if the same bot could also check this information. (Having said that, I know nothing about bot programming and it might be easier to have a second bot to do that.) A bot that searches for wikis that do not currently have a wikiFactor (and then searches the wiki stats to see if it can be added) could also be useful. I know that all wikis work slightly differently, but wiki farms (like [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]) generally have the same setup on every wiki, so it might be easier to create a User:WikiaWikiFactorBot than a multi-wiki User:wikiFactorBot. But I would think that any automation of moving stats would help keep WikiIndex as up to date as possible. | ||
If a number of [[:Category:User | If a number of [[:Category:User bot|bots]] could be created to do these minor update tasks, the pages the bots can not cope with could be added to some sort of 'Wikis that need manual patrol' category, and people could use that category to help find the pages that don't look after themselves. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 09:05, 9 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:I think that's a great idea. This seems like it would easy to do, but like you, I haven't used bots, so I'm only assuming. Anyone have any bot-creation experience? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT) | :I think that's a great idea. This seems like it would easy to do, but like you, I haven't used bots, so I'm only assuming. Anyone have any bot-creation experience? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:See: [[WikiIndex:Naming conventions]]. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 18:26, 6 October 2018 (UTC) | :See: [[WikiIndex:Naming conventions]]. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 18:26, 6 October 2018 (UTC) | ||
==Template:New | ==Template:New person== | ||
What is the purpose of [[Template:New | What is the purpose of [[Template:New person]]? I also looked at the discussion page of that template, which left me even more confused. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 10:10, 22 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
==visual wiki== | ==visual wiki== | ||
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:A site that discusses wiki, even if it is not a wiki itself, is on-topic for us to talk about it here at the [[WikiIndex]]. I think the simplest approach is to promote it the same as we promote a new wiki -- create a page for it, add it to the top of the list of new wiki on the home page, etc. Even though, at the moment, WikiSpeedia is merely one page proposing a site, and so technically not yet a wiki. | :A site that discusses wiki, even if it is not a wiki itself, is on-topic for us to talk about it here at the [[WikiIndex]]. I think the simplest approach is to promote it the same as we promote a new wiki -- create a page for it, add it to the top of the list of new wiki on the home page, etc. Even though, at the moment, WikiSpeedia is merely one page proposing a site, and so technically not yet a wiki. | ||
:p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag WikiSpeedia and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki.org]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST) | :p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag WikiSpeedia and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki|CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki.org]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST) | ||
::A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The {{Wp|Wikipedia:Village pump|Village Pump}} is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example {{Wp|Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 November 24|2007 November 24}}). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: {{Wp|Template:Columns-list}} to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[ | ::A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The {{Wp|Wikipedia:Village pump|Village Pump}} is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example {{Wp|Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 November 24|2007 November 24}}). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: {{Wp|Template:Columns-list}} to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[Special:Contributions/WikiFan|WikiFan]] 20:34, 1 November 2011 (PDT) | ||
==New lists== | ==New lists== | ||
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==To what extent is WikiIndex intended to serve as a 'meatball wiki'== | ==To what extent is WikiIndex intended to serve as a 'meatball wiki'== | ||
[[WikiIndex:Creating New Articles]] says, "Most of the articles created in this [[WikiIndex]] wiki will be about other individual [[wiki]]s. Please refer to [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]] for further information. Other very limited topics are also appropriate, about [[:Category:Wiki | [[WikiIndex:Creating New Articles]] says, "Most of the articles created in this [[WikiIndex]] wiki will be about other individual [[wiki]]s. Please refer to [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]] for further information. Other very limited topics are also appropriate, about [[:Category:Wiki people|wiki people]], wiki terms, [[:Category:Wiki idea|wiki ideas]], and how to use this wiki. Please be restrained in adding such peripheral material." | ||
I notice that we don't actually have a lot of pages in [[:Category:Wiki concept]] and [[:Category: | I notice that we don't actually have a lot of pages in [[:Category:Wiki concept]] and [[:Category:Wiki idea]]. To what extent is it actually encouraged to add these kinds of pages? There's a lot that one could write about wiki-philosophy, wiki norms, etc. However, I don't want to do it if it'll be frowned upon. A 'meatball wiki' is basically one that "describes the general tendencies observed on wikis and other on-line communities; for example the life cycles of wikis, and people's behavior on them." To what extent are you cool with hosting that kind of content? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 07:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:If clear standards are developed, I could assist in applying them. The problem with hosting deeper content, opinion, judgments, etc., is that it can rapidly spin out into massive debate. It can be done, but it takes protective structure. As an example of how we were able, on [[:Category:Wikiversity|Wikiversity]], to handle what could have become a massive content dispute, see [https://En.Wikiversity.org/wiki/Landmark_Education]. The overall presentation is neutral, and anything controversial or possibly controversial is on attributed subpages, with explicit attribution, not merely attribution through history. It can help, somewhat, if editors engaging in this are not anonymous. Anonymity fuels and enables seriously antisocial behavior. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 14:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | :If clear standards are developed, I could assist in applying them. The problem with hosting deeper content, opinion, judgments, etc., is that it can rapidly spin out into massive debate. It can be done, but it takes protective structure. As an example of how we were able, on [[:Category:Wikiversity|Wikiversity]], to handle what could have become a massive content dispute, see [https://En.Wikiversity.org/wiki/Landmark_Education]. The overall presentation is neutral, and anything controversial or possibly controversial is on attributed subpages, with explicit attribution, not merely attribution through history. It can help, somewhat, if editors engaging in this are not anonymous. Anonymity fuels and enables seriously antisocial behavior. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 14:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
::[[Anonymity]] also enables free speech (by reducing the potential for real-world consequences) and discourages ad hominem attacks (by making it harder to link an on-wiki identity to a user's off-wiki affiliations, interests, etc. and use that information to accuse him of conflicts of interests with regard to his on-wiki contributions). It also can enable users to get a fresh start, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | ::[[Anonymity]] also enables free speech (by reducing the potential for real-world consequences) and discourages ad hominem attacks (by making it harder to link an on-wiki identity to a user's off-wiki affiliations, interests, etc. and use that information to accuse him of conflicts of interests with regard to his on-wiki contributions). It also can enable users to get a fresh start, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
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: I have no idea, the request account was an anti-spam measure. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : I have no idea, the request account was an anti-spam measure. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
==Wikis that are "paid-to-edit"== | |||
Hello. Should there be a category for wikis where people get paid to edit? Yes, I said paid to edit, not [[:Category:Pay to edit|pay to edit]]. What kind of category would this category be? It just doesn't seem like an edit mode, but maybe it is. However, also keep in mind that there have been very few wikis that do this; the online encyclopedia Wixpert (which became a dead wiki before anyone could list it on WikiIndex) had a place in user preferences to put a Google AdSense code, and (at least at one time) [[EditThis.info]] had a place in control panel (wiki admin controls) to put a Google AdSense code. But that was just getting paid fractions of a cent per visit because of ads; then there were some [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]] websites where you have to show the admins a resume and samples of your writing before you can have an account, and those sites actually had you do contract work, complete with making an invoice at the end; a freelance writing gig that just happens to use MediaWiki markup on an invite-only wiki. Or maybe there's only one wiki like that; [[New World Encyclopedia]] is definitely this. But how many wikis have actually paid their writers, whether it's contract work or just ad revenue sharing? And what should the "paid to edit" category be? An edit mode, a tag of some kind, or are there just not enough wikis? I mean, if people click that paid to edit category and they just see New World Encyclopedia, maybe it's not a category worth having. But I'm also aware of the ones that use ad revenue sharing, but I'm not sure how many exist anymore. [[User:Star651|Star651]] ([[User talk:Star651|talk]]) 20:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
[[Category:WikiIndex|Community talk]] | [[Category:WikiIndex|Community talk]] | ||
[[Category:Orphaned talk page]] | [[Category:Orphaned talk page]] |
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