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Is there any way to objectively decide whether the "first block time" is too long or too short?
Is there any way to objectively decide whether the "first block time" is too long or too short?
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 03:11, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 03:11, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:On Wikipedia, if you block someone, they can still edit their own talk page. I don't know if that's in effect here, but I assume it is a configurable parameter. The advantage of this is that the blocked party has a venue to ask to be unblocked if they think that they have been blocked unfairly. This would particularly be useful for situations where we've blocked IP addresses which are used or reused by multiple people, for example, a school.
:As far as deciding on whether a block is too long or too short, I think that's always going to be subjective. So, we can either be arbitrary and define what's appropriate. Or we can let admins do as they deem appropriate. I think it's even fair game to shorten the length of a ban set by another admin. I see it happen frequently on Wikipedia - with justification, of course.
:I don't think that I've blocked many people here at WikiIndex and then only in cases of obvious vandalism or spamming. I tend to fall on the draconian side - I'm pretty sure that my blocks have always been non-expiring. However, I'm perfectly happy to use a system of escalating blocks according to repeated incidents. On Wikipedia, it's non uncommon for a first-time offender of its various rules to be blocked for 24 hours. It then usually escalates to 48 hours, 72 hours, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, or infinity. For us, we could set the block interval at any arbitrary point in between. I don't think we should be too lenient, though. If someone continues to vandalize or spam after being blocked twice, it seems to me that we should just ban them forever. I'm open to suggestion, however. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:55, 10 July 2009 (EDT)


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Spam Control Policy]]
* [[Spam Control Policy]]
* [[AntiSpamMeasures]]
* [[AntiSpamMeasures]]

Revision as of 20:57, 10 July 2009

Discussion

After staring at the red link to this page for a while, I grew suspicious that we aren't being real consistent in when and for how long we put down blocks on spammers. A cursory scan of Wikipedia's blocking policy suggests the notion that lengthy blocks on IP addresses is a little extreme. For reference I pulled up the blocking policies on a few other wikis: [1] [2] — User:Sean Fennel@ 14:19, 18 January 2007 (PST)

The Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Blocking policy is to block for 24 hours on the first incident, "longer for successive violations". Looking at Special:Ipblocklist and the WikiIndex block log, I see some people at WikiIndex think "infinite" blocks are appropriate. Some people at WikiIndex at WikiProject:Junking bots suggest 3 days for the first incident.

I think we need to balance 2 things:

  • We need to make it long enough that we don't have to waste all our time cleaning up after spammers who continue to spam -- over an over again -- as soon as the block period is over. Because we don't want to become grumpy, overworked sysops.
  • We need to make it short enough that people who would otherwise be fine, productive, upstanding members of our community, but accidentally make a questionable edit and are (accidentally?) banned by grumpy, overworked sysops, aren't driven away and lost forever. Would you stick around some place that, after you made some tiny little mistake, publicly posted signs accusing you of being a (gasp!) spammer and refused to take those signs down or even let you say anything in your defense -- not even "I'm sorry and I'll never do that again"?

Is there any way to objectively decide whether the "first block time" is too long or too short? --DavidCary 03:11, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

See also