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Currently we observe very special spam attacs -- only IPs -- that place single nonsense words in existing pages. [[User:John Stanton|John]] stated that we are not the only wiki that ist annoyed. They are testing the terrain before putting in real spam, said [[User:Felix|Felix]].
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'''WikiProject: Junking bots''' — here on WikiIndex, we previously observed very specific [[:Category:Spam|spam]] attacks; only [[IP address]]es, that place single nonsense words in existing pages. [[User:John Stanton|John]] stated that we are not the only wiki site that is annoyed. They are testing the terrain before putting in real [[spam]], said {{U|Felix}}.


Turns out I was right, too. Recently, I deleted several dozen links to adult content from a page. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 08:55, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Turns out I was right, too. Recently, I deleted several dozen links to adult content from a page. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 08:55, 13 October 2007 (EDT)


We found it useful to block them for 3 days or for the first and even longer if we observe them junking after that.
We found it useful to block them for 3 days for the first, and even longer if we observe them junking after that.


== If YOU are blocked ==
==If YOU are blocked==
<big>If you, as a '''normal user''', feel blocked due to a blocked IP, please contact one of the [[WikiIndex:Administrators|administrators]]. They will unblock you.</big>
<big>If you, as a '''[[Special:ActiveUsers|normal user]]''', feel needlessly [[Special:BlockList|blocked]] due to a [https://WikiIndex.org/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=&wpOptions%5B%5D=userblocks&wpOptions%5B%5D=tempblocks&limit=250 blocked IP], please contact one of the [[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|administrators]]. They will [[Special:Unblock|unblock]] you.</big>


== Lists of blocked IPs ==
==Lists of blocked IPs==
Maybe we should make blocked IPs visible and describe why we have blocked them.
Maybe we should make [https://WikiIndex.org/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=&wpOptions%5B%5D=userblocks&wpOptions%5B%5D=tempblocks&limit=500 blocked IPs] visible, and describe why we have blocked them.


MediaWiki has two build-in functions for keeping track of blocking actions on IPs and user accounts
[[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] has two built-in functions for keeping track of blocking actions on [[IP editor]]s and [[user]] accounts:
* the [[Special:Ipblocklist]] shows the current blocked ones (reach,expiry time)
*the [[Special:Ipblocklist]] shows the current blocked ones (reach, expiry time) - ''Note: doesn't work here on WikiIndex, target page is [[Special:BlockList]]''.
* the [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page= block log] shows each particular block action
*the [[Special:Log/block|block log]] shows each particular block action
This is the list of IPs blocked by [[User:Peu]] as a starting point.
This is the list of IPs blocked by [[User:Peu]] as a starting point.


== Block the "bad" IPs ==
==Block the 'bad' IPs==
* <s>1 day </s> - that's nonsense, they spam for short one day and paus 1 day (1 day is to little)
*<s>1 day</s> -- that's nonsense, they spam for short one day and paus 1 day (1 day is to little)
* 3 days, anon only, for the first
*3 days -- anon only, for the first
* 1 week, anon only, for the second
*1 week -- anon only, for the second
and make further comments on former blockings, for instance <tt>3d .. 1w</tt>, that means 3 days last, 1 week now.
and make further comments on former blockings, for instance <tt>3d .. 1w</tt>, that means 3 days last, 1 week now.


Maybe I'm too radical, but in the case of a spammer returning for a third time or so I'd block the IP for a longer time. Several months, at least. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 08:55, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Maybe I'm too radical, but in the case of a {{Template|spammer}} returning for a third time or so I'd block the [[IP editor]] for a longer time. Several months, at least. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 08:55, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
:Felix, an IP is not a user, it's a internet cafe or company or it's dynamically assigned to a user. You should consider this aspect. --[[User:87.160.141.40|87.160.141.40]] 15:47, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
:Felix, an [[IP address]] is not a [[user]], it's a internet cafe or company or it's dynamically assigned to a user. You should consider this aspect. --[[Special:Contributions/87.160.141.40|87.160.141.40]] 15:47, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
::What's the difference, if the icafe's computers are infected and part of a botnet? Hopefully, in a few months they'll reinstall their OS. In the meantime, humans who want to edit can still make accounts. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:48, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
::What's the difference, if the icafe's computers are infected and part of a botnet? Hopefully, in a few months they'll reinstall their OS. In the meantime, humans who want to [[edit]] can still make accounts. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:48, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
::: Ok, Felix, keep in mind to uncheck "block account creation" when you are about to block an IP, ragards --[[User:87.160.138.221|87.160.138.221]] 06:30, 14 October 2007 (EDT), thats's me, forgot to login --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:32, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
::: Ok, Felix, keep in mind to uncheck "block account creation" when you are about to block an IP, ragards --[[Special:Contributions/87.160.138.221|87.160.138.221]] 06:30, 14 October 2007 (EDT), thats's me, forgot to login --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:32, 14 October 2007 (EDT)


'''Make shure to uncheck "account creation"'''. We are mostly spammed by IPs.  
'''Make sure to uncheck "account creation"'''. We are mostly [[spam]]med by IPs.


After having blocked an user, look at the contributions again. Review all edits marked with <tt>'''top'''</tt>
After having blocked a user, look at the contributions again. Review all edits marked with <tt>'''top'''</tt>


''Think about watching pages. All [[Special:UnwatchedPages|unwatched pages]] will be edited without any automatic email notifications. Note for [[sysops]]: you don't watch pages automatically, that you [rollback].''
''Think about watching pages. All [[Special:UnwatchedPages|unwatched pages]] will be edited without any automatic email notifications. Note for [[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|sysops]]: you don't 'watch' pages automatically that you [[rollback]].''


== Should we create IP-Pages? ==
==Should we create IP-pages?==
Logged in users have their home spaces, why not bots=. We could protect IP-pages against anon contributions and elaborate the blocking policy for each IP like this:
[[Special:ActiveUsers|Logged in users]] have their home spaces, why not botsWe could protect IP-pages against anon contributions, and elaborate the [[WikiIndex:Blocking and banning policy|blocking policy]] for each IP like this:
* spammer
*spammer
* useful contributions
*useful contributions
* shared
*shared
 
== reCaptcha for all anonymous edits? ==


==reCaptcha for all anonymous edits?==
As of 2007-10-25 we are facing a huge wave of spamming. May I suggest we consider enabling reCaptcha for all anonymous edits, regardless of whether they add links or not? It's still more convenient for occasional contributors than having to sign up. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 00:40, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
As of 2007-10-25 we are facing a huge wave of spamming. May I suggest we consider enabling reCaptcha for all anonymous edits, regardless of whether they add links or not? It's still more convenient for occasional contributors than having to sign up. -- [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 00:40, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
:do you mean http://recaptcha.net/ ? --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:24, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
:do you mean http://reCaptcha.net/ ? --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:24, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
::http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:27, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
::http://reCaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 04:27, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
:: Um, yes, that's the one. We already have it integrated :) But currently it only shows up when an edit adds new links. I'd guess that's the reason why we haven't seen much actual link spam: it takes a human to overcome the captcha. But having to clean up lots of gibberish isn't less annoying.
:: Um, yes, that's the one. We already have it integrated :) But currently it only shows up when an edit adds new links. I'd guess that's the reason why we haven't seen much actual link spam: it takes a human to overcome the captcha. But having to clean up lots of gibberish isn't less annoying.
:::I find it a good idea to have the captcha active on every anon edit (if it's not too hard to decipher for humans). I think John is the one who has access to the config settings. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 14:51, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
==Further reading==
*For the official WikiIndex policy, see [[WikiIndex: Blocking and banning policy]].


[[category:WikiProjects]]
{{wiki project|Junking}}
[[Category:Admin]]
[[Category:SpamFighting| ]]

Latest revision as of 14:09, 11 January 2023

WikiProject: Junking bots — here on WikiIndex, we previously observed very specific spam attacks; only IP addresses, that place single nonsense words in existing pages. John stated that we are not the only wiki site that is annoyed. They are testing the terrain before putting in real spam, said Felix.

Turns out I was right, too. Recently, I deleted several dozen links to adult content from a page. -- Felix Pleşoianu | talk 08:55, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

We found it useful to block them for 3 days for the first, and even longer if we observe them junking after that.

If YOU are blocked[edit]

If you, as a normal user, feel needlessly blocked due to a blocked IP, please contact one of the administrators. They will unblock you.

Lists of blocked IPs[edit]

Maybe we should make blocked IPs visible, and describe why we have blocked them.

MediaWiki has two built-in functions for keeping track of blocking actions on IP editors and user accounts:

This is the list of IPs blocked by User:Peu as a starting point.

Block the 'bad' IPs[edit]

  • 1 day -- that's nonsense, they spam for short one day and paus 1 day (1 day is to little)
  • 3 days -- anon only, for the first
  • 1 week -- anon only, for the second

and make further comments on former blockings, for instance 3d .. 1w, that means 3 days last, 1 week now.

Maybe I'm too radical, but in the case of a {{spammer}} returning for a third time or so I'd block the IP editor for a longer time. Several months, at least. -- Felix Pleşoianu | talk 08:55, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Felix, an IP address is not a user, it's a internet cafe or company or it's dynamically assigned to a user. You should consider this aspect. --87.160.141.40 15:47, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
What's the difference, if the icafe's computers are infected and part of a botnet? Hopefully, in a few months they'll reinstall their OS. In the meantime, humans who want to edit can still make accounts. -- Felix Pleşoianu | talk 01:48, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
Ok, Felix, keep in mind to uncheck "block account creation" when you are about to block an IP, ragards --87.160.138.221 06:30, 14 October 2007 (EDT), thats's me, forgot to login --Wolf | talk 06:32, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

Make sure to uncheck "account creation". We are mostly spammed by IPs.

After having blocked a user, look at the contributions again. Review all edits marked with top

Think about watching pages. All unwatched pages will be edited without any automatic email notifications. Note for sysops: you don't 'watch' pages automatically that you rollback.

Should we create IP-pages?[edit]

Logged in users have their home spaces, why not bots? We could protect IP-pages against anon contributions, and elaborate the blocking policy for each IP like this:

  • spammer
  • useful contributions
  • shared

reCaptcha for all anonymous edits?[edit]

As of 2007-10-25 we are facing a huge wave of spamming. May I suggest we consider enabling reCaptcha for all anonymous edits, regardless of whether they add links or not? It's still more convenient for occasional contributors than having to sign up. -- Felix Pleşoianu | talk 00:40, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

do you mean http://reCaptcha.net/ ? --Wolf | talk 04:24, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
http://reCaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ --Wolf | talk 04:27, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
Um, yes, that's the one. We already have it integrated :) But currently it only shows up when an edit adds new links. I'd guess that's the reason why we haven't seen much actual link spam: it takes a human to overcome the captcha. But having to clean up lots of gibberish isn't less annoying.
I find it a good idea to have the captcha active on every anon edit (if it's not too hard to decipher for humans). I think John is the one who has access to the config settings. --Wolf | talk 14:51, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

Further reading[edit]