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Could we avoid using CamelCase here? You don't need it in MediaWiki to make links, it looks unintuitive for a newcomer, and many people (including me) find it ugly. Also, people create duplicate pages more easier, when they use CamelCase. They may create an article about WikTionary, and another about WiktioNary etc.
:''see also:'' [[WikiIndex talk:Naming conventions]], as a bunch of stuff moved there


I think that we should capitalize the article titles similarly as Wikipedia does. We should rather write [[some article]] than [[Some Article|some article]] or [[Some Article]].  The latter form is either hard to link or a mispelling in the text. Several proper nouns like the names of wikis would be an exception to this. We should simply look how they spell their community's name in their wiki, and use that form. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 09:41, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
==people pages==
I think it is a mistake, and confusing, to have [[:Category:Wiki people|people]] pages here that are not in [[user]] namespace.  I have read a little of the theory of how that happened here.  It would at least be consistent if someone went in and munged up the software so that user [[namespace]] did not exist, and all the people stuff went into the main namespace.  (Are there examples of other wikis that do this, with good results?)  But in reality, you have a deep core infrastructure built on user namespace.  And then you have a few people pages in mainspace. *** I propose that non-userspace people pages here are appropriate for, at most, people that are "important" here or in the world of wikis in general.  And that people make this decision for themself, about themself. *** And I propose that we say explicitly that "thou shalt not make pages here about other people". *** In a perfect world, I'd rather see all people pages here in userspace, with at most 5-10 in main space for people that started this wiki or are key in perpetuating it. *** And really, it would make most sense for non-userspace people pages here to be for NON-users of [[WikiIndex|this wiki]], people important in the history of [[Wikisphere|wikidom]] in general. And such pages would be started by others, and at the most occasionally [[edit]]ed by the subject.  But surely we don't want to get into such admin issues here, that an article about [[Jimmy Wales|JW]] might attract.  Let others fight about who really did or did not "(co-)found" the-wiki-that-must-not-be-named...  (Well, maybe we could actually use the publicity, but I don't think we have the admin resources to spare.)  --[[Special:Contributions/69.87.202.225|69.87.202.225]] 11:37, 17 February 2007 (PST)


:Ouch, I didn't notice that the wiki automatically capitalizes all words. This is wrong and should be changed. We are going to have articles about wikis that are in other languages than English. And not all languages use this sort of universal capitalization in titles. Examples of such languages: Finnish, Swedish, Russian, Estonian. You are bound to misspell the names of several wikis in these languages if you use universal capitalization. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 11:26, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
:"a deep core infrastructure built on user namespace"<br>
:The [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software that runs this wiki automatically generates links to userspace for every [[editor]], assuming there is a [[User page]] for them and an associated [[WikiIndex:Talk pages for wiki people|Talk page]], and also keeps track of [[Special:Contributions|contributions]] by that person, that anyone can easily see a list of. --[[Special:Contributions/69.87.193.53|69.87.193.53]] 14:28, 18 February 2007 (PST)


==Case-sensitivity of the first character==
::I don't actually see the problem with what we're doing now. Anyone in wikidom, which includes people editing here using their [[WikiIndex:Real names|real name]], is by-definition, on-topic, and thus in the main namespace.  The fact that we're using mediawiki does not mean that just because someone's an editor here they are somehow less on-topic than people that are not editors here. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 03:52, 27 February 2007 (PST)
 
This idea has its drawbacks, but I still support it: the wiki software shouldn't change the page title to start with a capital letter. Then we could spell the names of wikis as their community wants. Notice that the articles that have a common noun as their title wouldn't have it capitalized (like "some article"). But we could make capitalized redirects to them (like "Some article" ­→ "some article"). Non-capitalized common nouns simply occur more often than capitalized, because there can be a capitalized common nouns only in the beginning of the sentence, in a bulleted list, and probably also in some other special contexts that I don't remember now.
 
The drawback is that this kind of titles likely annoy some people. But also the current practise is going to annoy someone. People in Wikipedia regularly complain how they have article titles like EBay. Case-sensitivity of the first character was turned on in English Wiktionary, so this approach isn't something completely new.
 
If the first character case sensitivity is turned on, we should still decide how to capitalize the pages outside the article namespace. Would it be "Category:Wiki" or "Cateogyry:wiki"? They use the form Category:Wiki in the English Wiktionary. If we used form "Category:Wiki", would there be "Category:Wiki guides" or "Category:Wiki Guides" then? I think that the "Category:Wiki guides" is better because it is similar to "some article" compared to "Some Article". [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 09:41, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
I created a table to present and clarify my ideas. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 11:26, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
{|border="1"
|-style="font-weight:bold"
|| Article title ||What it looks like
|-
||Common noun || ''article''
|-
||Proper noun || How it is properly spelled: ''Wikipedia''
|-
||Several words || ''example article''; ''comparison to Wikipedia''
|-style="font-weight:bold"
||Category title || What it looks like
|-
||Common noun || ''Category:Maintainance''
|-
||Proper noun || ''Category:WikiIndex''
|-
||Several words || ''Category:Helping WikiIndex''; ''Category:Guides for editors''
|}
 
Naming guidelines discussion can move to [[CamelCase or Free links or both]] - I lost in an edit conflict what I had wrote here about the subject, will get back to it later, Best [[MarkDilley]]
 
== CamelCase ==
 
Well, since this is a wiki about wikis, the article names for those wikis should reflect the actual name of the wiki.  Many wikis have CamelCase names and I believe we should stick with them in that case.  For wikis with free link names, we ought to use exaxtly the form they use, including spaces and capitalization.  That's my thought, anyway.  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:05, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
: Yes that is the standard for wiki name pages but Tristram brings up good point regarding internal links within the wiki. - [[MarkDilley]]
 
::I'm talking about internally.  We can debate about pagenames for pages that aren't referring to wikis.  I just wanted to talk about the most important pages, those for the actual wikis. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:10, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
:::I meant that you have an article about MeatballWiki in [[MeatballWiki]] because the wiki is called MeatballWiki. Sorry if I didn't say it clearly enough. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 17:19, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
For Meatball, there's no debate, I think. If it were called Meatball Wiki, then our page would be [[Meatball Wiki]].  It's clear, yes?  But what about guidelines and other meta pages?  Are we using namespaces for them?  Are we using camel case or something else?  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
Trying to clarify, we are currently using both [[CamelCase]] and [[Free Links]] for our internal wiki page names.  This is because:
* We have not decided one way or the other about what a standard would be.
* Because I think it is important to be open to the way people use wiki, not to clamp down on any side. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]

Latest revision as of 17:48, 29 May 2024

see also: WikiIndex talk:Naming conventions, as a bunch of stuff moved there

people pages[edit]

I think it is a mistake, and confusing, to have people pages here that are not in user namespace. I have read a little of the theory of how that happened here. It would at least be consistent if someone went in and munged up the software so that user namespace did not exist, and all the people stuff went into the main namespace. (Are there examples of other wikis that do this, with good results?) But in reality, you have a deep core infrastructure built on user namespace. And then you have a few people pages in mainspace. *** I propose that non-userspace people pages here are appropriate for, at most, people that are "important" here or in the world of wikis in general. And that people make this decision for themself, about themself. *** And I propose that we say explicitly that "thou shalt not make pages here about other people". *** In a perfect world, I'd rather see all people pages here in userspace, with at most 5-10 in main space for people that started this wiki or are key in perpetuating it. *** And really, it would make most sense for non-userspace people pages here to be for NON-users of this wiki, people important in the history of wikidom in general. And such pages would be started by others, and at the most occasionally edited by the subject. But surely we don't want to get into such admin issues here, that an article about JW might attract. Let others fight about who really did or did not "(co-)found" the-wiki-that-must-not-be-named... (Well, maybe we could actually use the publicity, but I don't think we have the admin resources to spare.) --69.87.202.225 11:37, 17 February 2007 (PST)

"a deep core infrastructure built on user namespace"
The MediaWiki software that runs this wiki automatically generates links to userspace for every editor, assuming there is a User page for them and an associated Talk page, and also keeps track of contributions by that person, that anyone can easily see a list of. --69.87.193.53 14:28, 18 February 2007 (PST)
I don't actually see the problem with what we're doing now. Anyone in wikidom, which includes people editing here using their real name, is by-definition, on-topic, and thus in the main namespace. The fact that we're using mediawiki does not mean that just because someone's an editor here they are somehow less on-topic than people that are not editors here. TedErnst | talk 03:52, 27 February 2007 (PST)
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