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::Thanks, Arcane. The two wikis mentioned are essentially dead wikis at this point. They did not promote pornography, and "child molestation" suffers from some boundary problems, and the history of this is clear: discussing it is, in itself, highly disruptive. It's a slippery slope when we take a "moral" stand for something like an index. There are differing boundaries and opinions, and people in one part of the world imagine that the whole world agrees with them. Bottom line, debates over what is and what is not "beyond the pale" can tear a wiki apart, I've seen it. We don't have this issue with the phone directory! "Doxxing" may not be illegal, and the policy does not claim that it is. The more relevant issue is "attack sites." Generally, we have indexed them, to my knowledge. My own opinion is that indexing anything is fine, unless the indexing is such as to directly support illegal purpose. For example, a wiki that hosts copyrighted content with the intention to defeat copyright, that's illegal to knowingly link to, even. As to what is borderline, process should be set up to make decisions. The policy should give sound guidance that applies to most cases, and then refer to process where it's more difficult. A basic policy that allows indexing, say a Holocaust Denial site, -- I consider this highly offensive -- can avoid disruptive debate. Indexing is *not* approval. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 21:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC) | ::Thanks, Arcane. The two wikis mentioned are essentially dead wikis at this point. They did not promote pornography, and "child molestation" suffers from some boundary problems, and the history of this is clear: discussing it is, in itself, highly disruptive. It's a slippery slope when we take a "moral" stand for something like an index. There are differing boundaries and opinions, and people in one part of the world imagine that the whole world agrees with them. Bottom line, debates over what is and what is not "beyond the pale" can tear a wiki apart, I've seen it. We don't have this issue with the phone directory! "Doxxing" may not be illegal, and the policy does not claim that it is. The more relevant issue is "attack sites." Generally, we have indexed them, to my knowledge. My own opinion is that indexing anything is fine, unless the indexing is such as to directly support illegal purpose. For example, a wiki that hosts copyrighted content with the intention to defeat copyright, that's illegal to knowingly link to, even. As to what is borderline, process should be set up to make decisions. The policy should give sound guidance that applies to most cases, and then refer to process where it's more difficult. A basic policy that allows indexing, say a Holocaust Denial site, -- I consider this highly offensive -- can avoid disruptive debate. Indexing is *not* approval. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 21:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::A phone directory would have to make a decision about whether to list controversial organizations like NAMBLA, or controversial people like David Thorstad. (My guess is that the latter might prefer not to have a publicly listed street address and phone number anyway.) Also they would need to decide what kinds of advertisements to allow. I'm not sure what "two wikis" you're saying are dead, since there are three mentioned above, but BoyWiki would probably fall in the "Active" category. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC) | :::A phone directory would have to make a decision about whether to list controversial organizations like NAMBLA, or controversial people like David Thorstad. (My guess is that the latter might prefer not to have a publicly listed street address and phone number anyway.) Also they would need to decide what kinds of advertisements to allow. I'm not sure what "two wikis" you're saying are dead, since there are three mentioned above, but BoyWiki would probably fall in the "Active" category. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
::::I see. Yes, it's a live wiki. And what I see leads me to conclude that Leucosticte is using BoyWiki as he uses all wikis. Leucosticte is not an admin there. He is not even a major user, but his content is the edgiest I've seen there. He's pushing that wiki toward confrontation. Boywiki is for "boylovers," which is not a sexual category, the wiki is explicit. By the way, as far as sexual content is concerned, Wikipedia is far more "adult." | |||
::::BoyWiki does not meet the criteria for prohibited content. One may possibly, by searching, find content there that is problematic, but that is true of many wikis. The wiki does not "solely to provide content that is potentially dangerous and harmful," the present wording, which I will also change. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 01:27, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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