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====related==== | ====related==== | ||
* [[:Category:TourBusStop|TourBusSystem]], [[:Category:Wikis with a WikiNode|WikiNode]], [[ | * [[:Category:TourBusStop|TourBusSystem]], [[:Category:Wikis with a WikiNode|WikiNode]], [[local names]] | ||
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==Recent Changes== | ==Recent Changes== | ||
[[Recent changes]] and point it to | [[Recent changes]] and point it to {{WMF-Meta|Help:Recent changes}}, thus utilizing wikis that are already documented. Do one for tags and other browse functions. | ||
Recursive Nature of Wiki example. Having recent changes be more consisted with the site, i.e. template with a wiki on it? Or have it point to the meta wiki media. or both. | Recursive Nature of Wiki example. Having recent changes be more consisted with the site, i.e. template with a wiki on it? Or have it point to the meta wiki media. or both. | ||
==Mission statement for the website== | ==Mission statement for the website== | ||
[[UseMod:MissionStatement]] | |||
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Starting point suggestions: | Starting point suggestions: | ||
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==movie recommendation== | ==movie recommendation== | ||
I watched this on my laptop on the plane home from Seattle. | I watched this on my laptop on the plane home from Seattle. https://www.Archive.org/details/salt_of_the_earth | ||
Totally awesome labor movie from the 50s. Check it out if you haven't already. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:26, 7 Feb 2006 (EST) | Totally awesome labor movie from the 50s. Check it out if you haven't already. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:26, 7 Feb 2006 (EST) | ||
==list of biggest wiki== | ==list of biggest wiki== | ||
{{WMF-Meta|List of largest wikis}} | |||
and on [[MeatballWiki]] | and on [[MeatballWiki]] | ||
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[[:Category:UseMod Wiki|UseMod Wiki]] isn't going to show up in the OpenEdit cat anymore, correct? Doesn't seem right. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:07, 14 Feb 2006 (EST) | [[:Category:UseMod Wiki|UseMod Wiki]] isn't going to show up in the OpenEdit cat anymore, correct? Doesn't seem right. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:07, 14 Feb 2006 (EST) | ||
: I fixed UseMod [ | : I fixed UseMod [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=UseMod Wiki&diff=0&oldid=4678 here] and Lizzy [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lizzy&diff=0&oldid=4677 here]. What a pain in the neck! Are you sure this is worth it? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:32, 15 Feb 2006 (EST) | ||
==WikiProtocal== | ==WikiProtocal== | ||
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==move page feature== | ==move page feature== | ||
Mark, you know about that feature, yes? I noticed you cut and pasted info from my spam page to the new opt out page and then marked the spam page for deletion. If you had just moved the spam page to the opt out page there would be an automatic redirect created and no deletion would be necessary. What do you think? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:50, 3 Mar 2006 (EST) | Mark, you know about that feature, yes? I noticed you cut and pasted info from my [[spam]] page to the new opt out page and then marked the spam page for deletion. If you had just moved the spam page to the opt out page there would be an automatic redirect created and no deletion would be necessary. What do you think? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:50, 3 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
* I didn't think to do that, but should have. [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small> | * I didn't think to do that, but should have. [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small> | ||
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No worries. I find it a very cool feature and just wanted to make sure you knew about it. I really like that anyone can use it, not just admin! And it preserves the [[edit history]], in case anyone cares about that :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:00, 4 Mar 2006 (EST) | No worries. I find it a very cool feature and just wanted to make sure you knew about it. I really like that anyone can use it, not just admin! And it preserves the [[edit history]], in case anyone cares about that :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:00, 4 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
:Another advantage of the Move feature is that it moves the matching [[Talk page]] (if any) - with certain rare exceptions. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:37, 16 Mar 2006 (EST) | :Another advantage of the [[Move]] feature is that it moves the matching [[Talk page]] (if any) - with certain rare exceptions. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:37, 16 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
==Next WikiIndex banner?== | ==Next WikiIndex banner?== | ||
banner - | banner - {{WMF-Meta|Wikimania 2006 Call for Participation}} | ||
==Cool idea at da'pedia== | ==Cool idea at da'pedia== | ||
{{Wp|Portal: Film}} | |||
==Re: Deleted Redirects== | ==Re: Deleted Redirects== | ||
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:I agree with Ted there. I know they appear in the "[[Special:AllPages|all pages]]" list, but that's not something most people ever need to look at. Redirects definitely avoid the likely duplication of pages by well-meaning people who just haven't searched far enough to find what they are duplicating (and don't know they haven't), or haven't even tried. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:59, 16 Mar 2006 (EST) | :I agree with Ted there. I know they appear in the "[[Special:AllPages|all pages]]" list, but that's not something most people ever need to look at. Redirects definitely avoid the likely duplication of pages by well-meaning people who just haven't searched far enough to find what they are duplicating (and don't know they haven't), or haven't even tried. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:59, 16 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
==Wikis to Add== | ==[[WikiProject:Wikis to Add|Wikis to Add]]== | ||
Awesome work creating all those pages! This will save a lot of time, not having to create the pages or figure out the name of the wiki. Excellent! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST) | Awesome work creating all those pages! This will save a lot of time, not having to create the pages or figure out the name of the wiki. Excellent! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
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==how do you track actvitiy on wikis you care about?== | ==how do you track actvitiy on wikis you care about?== | ||
I noticed you commented on a new person at [[WikiSym]] today. How do you track the wikis you care about? I'm using | I noticed you commented on a new person at [[WikiSym]] today. How do you track the wikis you care about? I'm using [[CommunityWiki:RecentChangesPersonalizedTedErnst]]. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:06, 8 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
: Hi Ted - mostly Bloglines - http://www.bloglines.com/public/MarkDilley | : Hi Ted - mostly Bloglines - http://www.bloglines.com/public/MarkDilley | ||
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==RecentChangesPatrol== | ==RecentChangesPatrol== | ||
excellent! sorry for | excellent! sorry for [[revert]]ing you - I couldn't figure out what you were doing - now I see it and of course it's much better than it was before - great work! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:31, 10 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
==wikis for review== | ==wikis for review== | ||
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==good idea== | ==good idea== | ||
{{Wikt|Wiktionary:Beer parlour]] - maybe go hang out at the BeachByTheOcean | |||
==[[ | ==[[Local names]]== | ||
I think that what you are calling [[ | I think that what you are calling [[local names]] is what the [[MediaWiki.org]] software refers to as an [[interwiki]] or intermap link. I can, for example, user the [[WikiPedia:User talk:BlankVerse]] link on every wiki using the MediaWiki software and that will link to my user page on the [[English Wikipedia]]. I haven't been able to find where the WikiIndex keeps its interwiki map, but it it must have one for that last link to work. The interwiki map for all of the [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]] projects is at {{WMF-Meta|Interwiki map}} and the [[:Category:UseMod Wiki|UseMod]]/[[MeatballWiki]] map is at [http://usemod.com/intermap.txt]. Also see [[wikipedia:Interwiki]] and [[UseMod:InterMap]]. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 18:38, 29 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
:These live in the 'interwiki' table on the MySQL database; there is an | :These live in the 'interwiki' table on the MySQL database; there is an {{WMF-Meta|Special page to work with the interwiki table|extension}} available for MW1.5+ to allow them to be edited directly from a [[special:interwiki]] page. | ||
InterWiki links are different than | InterWiki links are different than local names ([[CommunityWiki:CommunityWiki:LocalNames]]) | ||
:True, but I don't see a "try here, and if you don't find it try somewhere else" form of link anywhere in the standard MediaWiki distribution . InterWiki links always point to an explicitly-specified wiki and page name. | :True, but I don't see a "try here, and if you don't find it try somewhere else" form of link anywhere in the standard MediaWiki distribution . InterWiki links always point to an explicitly-specified wiki and page name. | ||
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==edit war== | ==edit war== | ||
Mark, obviously neither of us wants to be in an [[edit war]]. I haven't looked through all the changes, but I'm writing here about your re-naming of the [[TourBusStop]]. Also just as obviously, there's not a clear "rule" about which change "sticks" while we're working out a difference. I moved it from where it was and you (apparently it was you, it was unsigned) objected. I asked why and got no response. Now there's a response there and you went ahead and moved it back. This is a wiki practice issue for me at this point. In essence you | Mark, obviously neither of us wants to be in an [[edit war]]. I haven't looked through all the changes, but I'm writing here about your re-naming of the [[TourBusStop]]. Also just as obviously, there's not a clear "rule" about which change "sticks" while we're working out a difference. I moved it from where it was and you (apparently it was you, it was unsigned) objected. I asked why and got no response. Now there's a response there and you went ahead and moved it back. This is a wiki practice issue for me at this point. In essence you [[revert]]ed me and we can either have the conversation in this reverted state or I can drop the whole thing. Maybe I'm fooling myself thinking this is about something larger than my own pettiness. Part of the the problem is I've been home with the flu today so probably am more senstitive than usual today. Let's talk in a couple of days, okay? peace, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 23:52, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT) | ||
==quantum== | ==quantum== | ||
From | From {{Wp|Quantum number}} - "A quantum number is any one of a set of numbers used to specify the full quantum state of any system in quantum mechanics. Each quantum number specifies the value of a conserved quantity in the dynamics of the quantum system. Since any quantum system can have one or more quantum numbers, it is a futile job to list all possible quantum numbers." | ||
==Hello Mark== | ==Hello Mark== | ||
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''My inital thoughts: I see an [[IP address]] as an anonymous edit, i.e. someone not logged in. When I see WikiVanTed it can be one of two ways to think of it. If I know you, then it is not anonymous. More often than not, I find that psudonyms are not linked to a "real person" and so they are just really anonymous contributors, similar to an IP address. For me, I have been most involved in wikis where there is a strong UseRealName standard. I don't feel connected to wiki that are not mostly real people. I want to create a one stop sign wiki town here at wiki index. Not to mean that I am not as interested in "producing" an encyclopedia of wiki links. It is just that figuring out how to help people in wiki start communicating with each other is most important for me. I like WikiIndex, in my mind we are setting up the place and asking people to come here and set up their wiki, description, tagging, etc. as a front lawn of sorts in this small one stop wiki town. I look forward when there will be metropolis of wiki. - late, rambling, best, MarkDilley'' | ''My inital thoughts: I see an [[IP address]] as an anonymous edit, i.e. someone not logged in. When I see WikiVanTed it can be one of two ways to think of it. If I know you, then it is not anonymous. More often than not, I find that psudonyms are not linked to a "real person" and so they are just really anonymous contributors, similar to an IP address. For me, I have been most involved in wikis where there is a strong UseRealName standard. I don't feel connected to wiki that are not mostly real people. I want to create a one stop sign wiki town here at wiki index. Not to mean that I am not as interested in "producing" an encyclopedia of wiki links. It is just that figuring out how to help people in wiki start communicating with each other is most important for me. I like WikiIndex, in my mind we are setting up the place and asking people to come here and set up their wiki, description, tagging, etc. as a front lawn of sorts in this small one stop wiki town. I look forward when there will be metropolis of wiki. - late, rambling, best, MarkDilley'' | ||
So it wouldn't bother you at all if I never logged in? You don't hold my edits to a different standard than an anon? You know I'm asking because it's '''all about me!''' :-) No, actually, what I'm saying is that when I know it's you, when I see your name, even if I disagree with something you're doing, there's an automatic cutting of slack. If I see an IP, I don't know who it is. I'm more likely to simply revert. Someone not invested enough here to sign their work hasn't earned the right to ruffle feathers, I'd say. I don't have any reason to this this person will be back to answer questions I might ask about their actions. Someone with a login has something invested. | So it wouldn't bother you at all if I never logged in? You don't hold my edits to a different standard than an anon? You know I'm asking because it's '''all about me!''' :-) No, actually, what I'm saying is that when I know it's you, when I see your name, even if I disagree with something you're doing, there's an automatic cutting of slack. If I see an IP, I don't know who it is. I'm more likely to simply [[revert]]. Someone not invested enough here to sign their work hasn't earned the right to ruffle feathers, I'd say. I don't have any reason to this this person will be back to answer questions I might ask about their actions. Someone with a login has something invested. | ||
And just to be clear, you and I agree on [[real name]]s as the standard. Where we disagree (I think), is on IP vs psuedo. For me, an IP is not a person, it's a machine or an anoyance or a | And just to be clear, you and I agree on [[real name]]s as the standard. Where we disagree (I think), is on IP vs psuedo. For me, an IP is not a person, it's a machine or an anoyance or a [[spam]]mer. A psuedo is a person. I'd rather know their name and interact with them that way, but it is a person to me. It's less of a person than someone using their [[real name]], for sure, but way more of a person to me than is an IP. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:45, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT) | ||
''No it would never bother me if you never logged in. I would learn the IPs that you posted from. So we agree on [[real name]]s - but we have a big gap on the Ip vs Psudonym. I feel the opposite, an psudonym is a jokester, someone who I don't think this that seriously, not a person. I feel it is a trap to think of a psudonym as an identity. An IP to me can represent the beautiful anonymity that the wiki can provide. I read IP and psudonym edits in similar light, content. I am not inclinded to [[revert]] anything that anyone has done, unless it is obvious [[spam]], because I want them to explore their ideas, however simple they may be, or however I may not understand them yet.'' | ''No it would never bother me if you never logged in. I would learn the IPs that you posted from. So we agree on [[real name]]s - but we have a big gap on the Ip vs Psudonym. I feel the opposite, an psudonym is a jokester, someone who I don't think this that seriously, not a person. I feel it is a trap to think of a psudonym as an identity. An IP to me can represent the beautiful anonymity that the wiki can provide. I read IP and psudonym edits in similar light, content. I am not inclinded to [[revert]] anything that anyone has done, unless it is obvious [[spam]], because I want them to explore their ideas, however simple they may be, or however I may not understand them yet.'' | ||
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''Much of what I have been thinking about in regards to some of our ([[diff]]s) is in the BalancingProcessAndProduct realm, if that makes any sense. I am still groking it. Thanks for your thoughtfullness Ted. Best, MarkDilley'' | ''Much of what I have been thinking about in regards to some of our ([[diff]]s) is in the BalancingProcessAndProduct realm, if that makes any sense. I am still groking it. Thanks for your thoughtfullness Ted. Best, MarkDilley'' | ||
Mark, I just had a brainstorm and came here to tell you about it and found your comment. I'll give you my brainstorm first and then see if I have more to add in terms of your comment. My brainstorm has to do with the login procedure. Why do we have a | Mark, I just had a brainstorm and came here to tell you about it and found your comment. I'll give you my brainstorm first and then see if I have more to add in terms of your comment. My brainstorm has to do with the login procedure. Why do we have a [[Username]]? Shouldn't it just be a Name? If it was a Name, would that not encourage more people to use [[real name]]s? This will require John's help, of course. What do you think? Worth pursuing? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:36, 12 Apr 2006 (EDT) | ||
:That would probably mean forking MediaWiki, which I don't think the [[:Category:Wiki GNU General Public License|GPL]] lets you do too easily. Though we ''could'' just edit the login screen to mention all this. I forget the name of the actual page, but it's somewhere in the MediaWiki: namespace. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 20:24, 16 Apr 2006 (EDT) | :That would probably mean forking MediaWiki, which I don't think the [[:Category:Wiki GNU General Public License|GPL]] lets you do too easily. Though we ''could'' just edit the login screen to mention all this. I forget the name of the actual page, but it's somewhere in the MediaWiki: namespace. —[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 20:24, 16 Apr 2006 (EDT) | ||
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==UseMod== | ==UseMod== | ||
Mark, I see you're tidying up the UseMod Wiki / UseMod issue. I haven't looked at many of your edits, but I'm confused about [ | Mark, I see you're tidying up the UseMod Wiki / UseMod issue. I haven't looked at many of your edits, but I'm confused about [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=BlogWiki&curid=1208&diff=11378&oldid=11360&rcid=19357 this one]. In fact, forget that, the categories themselves are confused. See this: Category:UseMod which hard [[redirect]]s to UseMod Wiki which in turn soft redirects to [[:Category:UseMod Wiki]]. Confusing! How should it be laid out? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:03, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT) | ||
Teaked it a little, it is still messy. This is the whole category as wiki thing I am trying to figure out. The categories get messy. Will try to look at it later. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | Teaked it a little, it is still messy. This is the whole [[category]] as wiki thing I am trying to figure out. The [[categories]] get messy. Will try to look at it later. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
Doesn't seem messy to me anymore. I thought the engine was called UseMod so wondered about your move of wikis to UseMod Wiki and your move in the other direction as well. I didn't realize you'd cleaned it all up so they're now all UseMod Wiki '''and''' I've gone to the source and see that once again, I'm wrong. :-) Yes, it's true. I'm wrong. The wiki is at usemod.com (not usemodwiki.com) and has a logo that says Use Mod and yet the name of the engine is clearly UseMod Wiki. Strange but true! I think it's quite fine the way it is. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:17, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT) | Doesn't seem messy to me anymore. I thought the engine was called UseMod so wondered about your move of wikis to UseMod Wiki and your move in the other direction as well. I didn't realize you'd cleaned it all up so they're now all UseMod Wiki '''and''' I've gone to the source and see that once again, I'm wrong. :-) Yes, it's true. I'm wrong. The wiki is at usemod.com (not usemodwiki.com) and has a logo that says Use Mod and yet the name of the engine is clearly UseMod Wiki. Strange but true! I think it's quite fine the way it is. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:17, 14 Apr 2006 (EDT) | ||