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:::: ...Which is an argument that can be raised for not respecting it as well, since we can do that too. My question wasn't what we ''can'' do, but what we ''should'' do and why. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | :::: ...Which is an argument that can be raised for not respecting it as well, since we can do that too. My question wasn't what we ''can'' do, but what we ''should'' do and why. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::::If a [[user]] of a wiki feels it not to there benefit to have their wiki added to WikiIndex and run the risk of it being [[:Category:Archived|archived]], it would be a decent act to remove it for them. These would be mostly business, student and personal wikis. Wikis with a highly personal use that wouldn't normally show up. Besides it would give someone the possibility of expressing grievances and that is always a positive thing. --[[User:Redgreenfourties|Redgreenfourties]] ([[User talk:Redgreenfourties|talk]]) 20:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | :::::If a [[user]] of a wiki feels it not to there benefit to have their wiki added to WikiIndex and run the risk of it being [[:Category:Archived|archived]], it would be a decent act to remove it for them. These would be mostly business, student and personal wikis. Wikis with a highly personal use that wouldn't normally show up. Besides it would give someone the possibility of expressing grievances and that is always a positive thing. --[[User:Redgreenfourties|Redgreenfourties]] ([[User talk:Redgreenfourties|talk]]) 20:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
::::::By "archived" you mean stored someplace like the [[Archive.org]]? If so, that can be prevented through | ::::::By "archived" you mean stored someplace like the [[Archive.org]]? If so, that can be prevented through {{Mw|Manual:Robots.txt|robots.txt}}. Basically it sounds like you're saying we should help them achieve {{Wp|security through obscurity}} (or maybe just plain old obscurity). But if that's what they wanted, why leave their site open for anyone to visit, when they could have {{Mw|Manual:Preventing access|prevented access}}? | ||
::::::At any rate, it's probably not all that important, seeing as no one bothered to opt out. However, it could become important if we were to start having articles that were critical of certain wikis or [[:Category:Wiki People|wiki people]], because then the subjects of those articles would probably be more inclined to opt out of WikiIndex coverage. The question of how much criticism of that sort will be allowed is another open question. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ::::::At any rate, it's probably not all that important, seeing as no one bothered to opt out. However, it could become important if we were to start having articles that were critical of certain wikis or [[:Category:Wiki People|wiki people]], because then the subjects of those articles would probably be more inclined to opt out of WikiIndex coverage. The question of how much criticism of that sort will be allowed is another open question. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:20, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
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: {{support}} ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : {{support}} ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
: {{support}} ~~ [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) | : {{support}} ~~ [[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) | ||
::There are {{ | ::There are {{Wp|Streisand effect}} problems with putting one's wiki in a category like this, but I guess some wiki owners might not realize that. Telling the world "I don't want people looking at my wiki" is a sure way to get a lot of people looking at your wiki. With respect to the [[Archive.org]], if you don't set your robots.txt right the first time, they'll still let you remove yourself from their archive later. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:52, 12 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
: {{support}} with some reservations, i.e., the way the category works is at the top of the listing page? But that is contradictory. Would the page be deleted? If so, the opt out would not be visible to users who may then create the page. Would the URL be retained? I just don't know that this has been thought through all the way. Maybe. But it isn't obvious. What I'm supporting is the right of privacy of users and wikis. There is then the problem of determining if a request has come from the actual wiki [[owner]] or person. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 18:50, 14 March 2014 (UTC) | : {{support}} with some reservations, i.e., the way the category works is at the top of the listing page? But that is contradictory. Would the page be deleted? If so, the opt out would not be visible to users who may then create the page. Would the URL be retained? I just don't know that this has been thought through all the way. Maybe. But it isn't obvious. What I'm supporting is the right of privacy of users and wikis. There is then the problem of determining if a request has come from the actual wiki [[owner]] or person. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 18:50, 14 March 2014 (UTC) | ||