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| I'd be happy to try to upgrade this MediaWiki and/or add extensions that we might need, but not sure what's needed and also not sure what customizations, etc. we've had that we'd have to keep in mind. Any thoughts? [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>
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| * ''Oh, and yes, I know about the favicon and will fix as soon as possible ...''
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| ::One common extension we don't have is [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser Extension:Renameuser], which allows bureaucrats the ability to change the name of an account. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 10 14 2010
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| :: Also, how about Semantic MediaWiki
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| ::* Semantic Wiki (allows if statements which can help make better infoboxes and other stuff too)
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| : Making WikiIndex a semantic wiki with the extensions. - I like this, ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
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| : I would like to consider if we would like to move to a semantic MediaWiki - I am asking now if all that is, is the extension. This is an estimate I got from Yaron Koren of WikiWorks.com:
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| : Update of existing code: .5 hour
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| : Updating site copy: 2 hours
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| : Installing SMW and related extensions: 1 hour
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| : Setting up wiki for SMW, including re-arranging category structure: 5 hours
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| What do folks think? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
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| ::* CITE (allows easy creation of references)
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| ::: I almost forgot about the cite extension, that's practically mandatory, and semantic would not be a bad idea either. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 10 16 2010
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| :::: Nice but not mandatory in terms of [[DocumentingWikis]] as different than [[EmergentWikis]]. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
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| :::: So when do you think a possible upgrade might happen? '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 10 17 2010
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| ::::: Can you think of anything else that we've customized or added that we should be careful of when we upgrade? If not, then I'm ready to move forward with it. Could you help me identify and ask any other admins? [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>
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| : ''When [[John Stanton]] retired, I took notes about what files needed to be saved during an upgrade, [[Raymond King]] - please talk with me before doing an upgrade. Thanks, [[MarkDilley]]
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| :* The idea of installing Semantic MediaWiki greatly appeals to my inner geek, but I can't think of any specific uses for it right now. Then again, with the shiny new toy in front of me, that might change. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:37, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
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| :* Are there any downsides to installing SMW, apart from the workload? [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:37, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
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| :*I don't see the point of the Semantic Mediawiki upgrade. The question is, is that useful to the users of this Wiki? I can't say for certain that it is for everyone, for me personally it doesn't seem to be. I would be interested in the possibility of having stronger anti-spam support ((Like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Check_Spambots Check Spambots] for example)) [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] 18:10, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
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| :: Semantic MediaWiki has one big advantage for this wiki: It allows structured an guided data entry through [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms Semantic Forms] which is substantially easier than [[WikiIndex:Add_a_Wiki|the current system]]. Additionallly I see no reason why [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Drilldown Semantic Drilldown] should not be useful for users too. Just have a look at [http://discoursedb.org/wiki/Main_Page Discourse DB] to see an example. --[[User:Kghbln|kgh]] 08:19, 1 November 2010 (PDT)
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| I second the suggestion of RenameUser. — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Comic Sans MS;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 13:38, 31 October 2010 (PDT)
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| :Mark Dilley asked me to comment here on why Semantic MediaWiki would be useful for this site. I can point to two big reasons - form-based editing, and drill-down browsing. You can see examples of those two [http://foodfinds.referata.com/w/index.php?title=Al_Moro&action=formedit here] and [http://foodfinds.referata.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData here]. [[User:Yaron Koren|Yaron Koren]] 18:43, 31 October 2010 (PDT)
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| ::This sounds like it could be a dream come true for the site. Using forms, we could create an incredibility easy way to index wikis. I think we should upgrade to Semantic MediaWiki. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 10 31 2010
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| ::I just realise that Yaron commented on SMW as I did. To cut a long story short: Go for it! --[[User:Kghbln|kgh]] 08:22, 1 November 2010 (PDT)
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| ::Giving visitors the ability to index their wikis using forms would be brilliant! The more we can avoid populating the "Wikis to Add" category, the better. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:18, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
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| I think [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text Replace text] is always a good choice on a wiki. --[[User:Kghbln|kgh]] 08:25, 1 November 2010 (PDT)
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| Someone will have to look at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_Online Whos Online]. Probably it will have to be switched to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhosOnline WhosOnline] though I do not know if it will be able to serve the same purpose. --[[User:Kghbln|kgh]] 08:42, 1 November 2010 (PDT)
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| (1) As long as the layout isn't changed to anything resembling "New Wikia Look" (my main complaint with New Wikia Look is the comments that can be posted to the bottom of articles (example: "I LOVE TWILIGHT!!!!!!!!ITS CLASSY" comment posted in comment area of an article at Twilight Wikia.)
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| (2) I was going to suggest adding the Gadget that gives people the option of of have "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" in their Preferences, but probably not much need for it at WikiIndex (since articles are fairly small in comparison with some other wikis). --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 20:51, 11 November 2010 (PST)
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| ====Summary====
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| ''data from http://wikiindex.org/Special:Version''
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| * [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download Upgrade] ([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading how-to]): 1.10.1 → 1.16.0
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| * Installed extensions: [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki SpecialInterwiki], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert CharInsert], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox InputBox], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions ParserFunctions], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit ConfirmEdit], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist SpamBlacklist], <s>[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalEditButton UniversalEditButton (deprecated)]</s>
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| * Extensions to install (proposed by others): [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite Cite], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser Renameuser], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki Semantic MediaWiki], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Drilldown Semantic Drilldown], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms Semantic Forms], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text Replace Text], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhosOnline WhosOnline], ([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AntiBot AntiBot (used in Wikipedia)] or [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Check_Spambots Check Spambots])
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| * Extensions to install (proposed by me): [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter AbuseFilter], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Title_Blacklist Title Blacklist], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree CategoryTree], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TorBlock TorBlock], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AntiSpoof AntiSpoof], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke Nuke], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser CheckUser], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TitleKey TitleKey], [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenDocument_Export OpenDocument Export]
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| Does the host have the DBA extension for PHP installed? The readme says it'll improve performance.
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| That's my suggestions. --[[User:190.26.27.91|190.26.27.91]] 18:38, 1 November 2010 (PDT)
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| :It was [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/211801 suggested] in the wikitech-l mailing list that for the next releases MediaWiki would need PHP 5.2.3 so we need to ensure that the new host has that version installed. It should also have MySQL 5.1 or later. --[[User:Bachinchi|Bachinchi]] 03:27, 7 November 2010 (PST)
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| ::In case there will not be a change to another hoster, these two precondition are fulfilled since this wiki is already running PHP 5.2.3 and MySQL 5.1.41. --[[User:Kghbln|kgh]] 12:26, 7 November 2010 (PST)
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| : To me this sounds like a plan. Concerning DBA: If I get [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Cache this page] right it would be better to have APC rather than DBA. Cheers --[[User:Kghbln|kgh]] 12:26, 7 November 2010 (PST)
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| ==Dreamhost Disaster== | | ==Dreamhost Disaster== |
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December
We have moved to the cloud - please identify any issues that come from that. Also, please add your support to the WikiIndex:NewLogoDecision. Best, MarkDilley
October 2010 Upgrade Thoughts
moved to WikiIndex:Spring 2011 Upgrade Path
Dreamhost Disaster
Our former hoster, Dreamhost, had a server failure about noon on Saturday, May 5th that caused 23 of our wikis and blogs to go down including WikiIndex.org and RecentChanges.info. They brought up a replacement server on Sunday the 6th but were unable to restore our sites from either the failed server or the server backups and that condition remains today. Luckily the databases for the sites were not affected because they were on a separate server and we were able to pull the very latest data out of the database.
We had already made the decision to move from Dreamhost to 1and1 before this failure occurred because of the many outages and very bad performance of Dreamhost, so we decided to rebuild all of the sites on 1and1. Some of our sites are quite large and uploading just the images can take over a day, so restoring the sites is really a pain. Dreamhost and 1and1 are on different versions of the MySQL database and restoration without corrupting the data proved a bit daunting for a while until we found the magic bullet. Most of our wikis are now operational including WikiIndex but several sites are still awaiting name transfers and some wikis have yet to be restored.
There are almost always losses when this kind of thing happens and for WikiIndex we lost images that were entered between 15 Dec 2006 and 5 May 2007. Most of these are logos and they can be recovered as we get the chance. The image loss was the result of poor judgment on my part because I had elected to backup the image directories on the server that failed because of their size.
If you run across a missing image just re-upload it under the same name and all should be ok. If you notice any configuration or extension issues just let me know and I'll track them down.
Sorry for any inconvenience this outage may have caused.
John 22:09, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
You will be ok wit 1and1, i used em for eight years, never had downtime. Just other things to watch for now, Good Luck wit 1and1.... Written by a 1and1 eight year ignored client
We are going to have to find a more reliable hoster than Dreamhost. The outages over the last two weeks are just unacceptable! Let us know if you have a recommendations for a MediaWiki friendly hoster. We are going to change within the next two weeks. John 12:06, 26 February 2007 (PST)
System Outage 2/22/2007 - 2/23/2007
Sorry about the system outage over the last two days, Dreamhost upgraded PHP 5 to a new version and it took down all of our wikis that were not on MW version 1.9.X. I was force to upgrade all of our wikis to 1.9.2 and still have some to go. Not a happy camper!
Beware of PHP 5.2.1 upgrades and MW versions below 1.9.x!
John 19:29, 23 February 2007 (PST)
Spam Control Policy
I've put up a proposed Spam Control Policy page to try and get our spam fighting coordinated and everyone on the same page. Please check it out and revise, extend and discuss as you wish. The local spam blacklist is a bit out of control and may be defeating it's own purpose. I propose deleting the content of that page and starting over using the new policy.
John 14:44, 18 February 2007 (PST)
Page Location Problems
Since the Move we have been experiencing some problems with specific pages generating errors. The problem was traced to the code that allows the use of so called "pretty URLs" (URLs without the /index.php part). The offending code has been removed and all is well. The downside is that you may have to re-bookmark specific pages. The issues with this code are complex and we will continue to use the ugly URLs until we are sure we have code that addresses all the issues.
John 16:28, 8 February 2007 (PST)
(Partial workaround implemented 15feb07.)
Vector and 1 million hits
Sorry for joining this page late, for some reason this time I did not receive an email alert that a message had been posted on my talk page. Anyway, and I think someone else has mentioned this on this page, I think it would be good to change the default page "skin" to vector (to do this put:
$wgDefaultSkin = 'vector';
in LocalSettings.php). This gives a modern look, familiar to users of wikipedia.
As an aside, I notice that the MainPage is approaching the 1 million hits mark. Maybe someone could design a nice banner to mark the occasion? All the best, -- Carl McBride (talk) 03:23, 17 November 2010 (PST)
- This wiki uses MediaWiki 1.10.1, this version was released long ago and doesn't include Vector. To use it, this wiki should upgrade to 1.16. See the thread above. --Bachinchi 08:55, 17 November 2010 (PST)
- Thanks Bachinchi. Given that any presumable upgrade would be to the latest version, I implicitly assumed that it would be to 1.16.0. However, in general, on upgrading one usually maintains ones original LocalSettings.php file from before. For this reason I made an explicit mention of the $wgDefaultSkin variable. Otherwise WikiIndex would continue with MonoBook as the default skin (which is starting to look dated) regardless of the version installed. All the best, -- Carl McBride (talk) 09:09, 17 November 2010 (PST)