Talk:Nathania: Difference between revisions

If people have concerns about the page, it would be appropriate to discuss, in accordance with the [[BRD cycle]]. Otherwise, I'm going to wait a week and then revert you again, because you haven't made any arguments in support of your changes. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:09, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

:You are an evil person and you only have three options: Kill yourself, find God or find a psychiatrist. I am thinking of making a profile here and exposing myself, just to make sure you are not free to spread your terminology about childmolesting. --[[Special:Contributions/77.244.254.227|77.244.254.227]] 00:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

::::::::::Peace out. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 01:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Not that it matters, but a shot across the bow may have been an IP edit to this page that changed the year for Strength of Nations, the video game, from 1988 to 1987. Subtle vandalism. Open proxy editing. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 23:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

:There were multiple versions of the game, so who knows what the most recent one was. But yeah, I did suspect that of being subtle vandalism when it happened. The earliest year that the game existed should probably be used. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 08:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

::Well, the Wikipedia article says 1988. Must be so, right? <nowiki>{{cn}}?</nowiki> Of course, the Wikipedia article has no references, only wikilinks. However, Israel del Rio is not hard to find. Maybe he knows. However, the web evidence is quite strong. Many references to 1988. Googling ["strength of nations" 1987 "Israel del Rio"] came up with 5 hits, the first of which is, of course, this WikiIndex article. Hey, must be so!

::All those hits, other than WikiIndex, support 1988. While it's possible that the IP simply made a mistake, it's more likely you were pranked. And it worked. You weren't sure, so you left it, and the page was protected into the Wrong Version. Page protection was only needed because of edits by [[User:Sophie Wilder|Sophie Wilder]], who, of course, doesn't give a fig about accuracy here. Otherwise it could easily have been semiprotected. I'll ask for that. Frankly, the page could use more clean-up. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 12:52, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

::::Yes, it is possible that he wrote the game intending to release in 1987, but wasn't ready by then, so postponed release until 1988, but you are correct, if it was coded as an image, it would have been more trouble to fix. I found del Rio's email address, but, frankly, there is not enough necessity here to justify pinging him. There is zero claim out there for a release date of 1987 other than this article, (and it is release date that would matter, if any of this mattered at all, and it doesn't). If you know that 1987 was in the title screen of the first, or early versions, hey, great find, of interest if anyone wants to play a game of trivial pursuit. "What early video game was released in 1988, but the early screens said 1987?" But it is of no relevance to the WikiIndex listing of Nathania. "The 1980s video game ..." Personally, I'd just go for 1988, and if it's wrong, so what? Public trust in WikiIndex will collapse? --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 13:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

::(edit conflict with above) This is likely definitive: cd.textfiles.com/softkeyep/PROGRAMS/DOSGAMES/.../NATION.DOC‎ (find the actual file through the googlelink I gave, but with "1988"). The earliest copyright date is January 1, 1988. That's version 0, which may never have been released. If it was, he just could have blown his copyright by claiming a 1988 year instead of 1987, under the old law, anyway. I read that date as meaning he was working on the game, and put a copyright date into it of January 1, coming up, because he knew he would not release until then or later. There is no sign that anyone but maybe him knew about the game in 1987. There are 1,640 results supporting 1988, this one very explicit, compared to one supporting 1987, this one created by the open proxy vandal. Whaddaya think, we should AGF? "1988, but according to [[Special:Contributions/77.109.141.138]], an open proxy, before before the BON turned into a clear vandal, it's 1987." Whaddaya think, this is excessive detail? Ah, but it's Truth! If it's Truth, it MUST be included, that's article one in the [[Inclusionist Manifesto]], right? --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 13:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I removed the speedy deletion tag, because Nathania has been a notable wiki, as Googling "Nathania.org" will show. The issue of hosting controversial wikis, blikis, and "vanity wikis" is one that should be carefully considered by the community. Excluding these would be a radical departure from prior practice. There are legitimate issues to be considered. In this case, the owner of a wiki has requested deletion, which is also something to be carefully considered. This listing caused enormous disruption, as WikiIndex users, including administrators, defended it against outside attack. Now, in a fit of pique, the owner requests deletion. On Wikiversity, such a request was made by a former administrator, about his content. In spite of a strong tradition of honoring author requests, the request for deletion was rejected. Only if there is no objection are such requests routinely granted. There could be other bases for deleting the page, but they have not been asserted.