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Oliver,  we are trying out using article name space for names, and user talk pages for message.  Nice to have you here, Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
==Welcome==
Oliver,  we are trying out using [[article]] namespace for names, and [[user talk]] pages for message.  Nice to have you here, Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]


Added your question to [[WikiIndexFaq]] - [[Where is the rss feed]]?
Added your question to [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] - [[Where is the rss feed]]?


== Proposal to the wikiindex Community ==
==Proposal to the WikiIndex community==
Mark, I would like to make the same proposal as the one in [http://www.worldwidewiki.net/wiki/WorldWideWikiView WorldWideWiki], but it seems that it is not possible to transclude anything into MediaWiki... (or to include HTML/Iframe). An other question is : [[Where is the rss feed]]? of wikiindex. [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 10:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
Mark, I would like to make the same proposal as the one in [http://www.WorldWideWiki.net/wiki/WorldWideWikiView WorldWideWiki], but it seems that it is not possible to transclude anything into [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]]... (or to include HTML/Iframe). An other question is: [[Where is the rss feed]]? of WikiIndex. [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 10:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)


Oliver, If you go to recent changes, you will see an RSS link on the left hand menu.  Neat stuff you're doing too! --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 12:00, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
Oliver, If you go to [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]], you will see an RSS link on the left hand menu.  Neat stuff you're doing too! --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 12:00, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)


Thanks Ray, but it seems that something is broken:
Thanks Ray, but it seems that something is broken:


Erreur d'analyse XML : instruction de traitement XML pas au début d'une entité externe Emplacement : http://www.WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss Numéro de ligne 2, Colonne 1 :<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
Erreur d'analyse XML : instruction de traitement XML pas au début d'une entité externe Emplacement : https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss Numéro de ligne 2, Colonne 1 :<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>


Do  you have an idea about the transclude in Mediawiki ?[[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 13:37, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
Do  you have an idea about the transclude in Mediawiki? [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 13:37, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)


Placing your questions on the [[WikiIndexFaq]] - Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
Placing your questions on the [[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] - Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]


Thanks Mark. Please let me know when the RSS feed runs again
Thanks Mark. Please let me know when the RSS feed runs again


Here is a little mock-up of what we may do : [http://wiki.km2.net/wakka.php?wiki=VeilleWikiPedia VeilleWikipedia]--[[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 11:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
Here is a little mock-up of what we may do : [http://wiki.KM2.net/wakka.php?wiki=VeilleWikiPedia VeilleWikipedia]--[[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 11:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
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You Rock!!! ;-)  -[[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
You Rock!!! ;-)  -[[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]


I found this alternative syndicated feed generator for MediaWiki:  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiFeeds  Maybe interesting for WikiIndex - [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 18:50, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)
I found this alternative syndicated feed generator for MediaWiki:  https://Meta.Wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiFeeds  Maybe interesting for WikiIndex - [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 18:50, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)


== Caricatures ==
==[[:Category:Caricatures|Caricatures]]==
Oliver, we're doing caricatures for wiki people we know and would be very happy to do one for you if you wish.  Just upload or send me a pic and I'll have it done --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 03:09, 4 Feb 2006 (EST)
Oliver, we're doing [[:Category:Caricatures|caricatures]] for wiki people we know and would be very happy to do one for you if you wish.  Just upload or send me a pic and I'll have it done --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 03:09, 4 Feb 2006 (EST)


Thnks Ray! Is this ok? [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 06:23, 6 Feb 2006 (EST)
Thnks Ray! Is this ok? [[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 06:23, 6 Feb 2006 (EST)


Yipes, that's just a little small and might be tough for the caricaturist to do, do you have something larger?  --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 13:13, 6 Feb 2006 (EST)
Yipes, that's just a little small and might be tough for the caricaturist to do, do you have something larger?  --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 13:13, 6 Feb 2006 (EST)
[[File:OlivierAuber200.jpg|right]]


Is that better ;-)--[[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 08:24, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
Is that better ;-)--[[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 08:24, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
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Yes :-) --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 02:11, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)
Yes :-) --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 02:11, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)


[[Image:OlivierAuber200.jpg|right]]
Elle est superbe ta photo! As-tu regardé cette page : [[WikiIndex:Nouvelle page pour vous-même|nouvelle page pour vous-même]], désormais ici nous oublions l'instant-wiki et adoptons les signatures chronodatées pour parler ! La révolution dans la terre-wiki ! -- [[Christophe Ducamp]] | <small>[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp|talk]]</small> 22:34, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)
 
Elle est superbe ta photo ! As-tu regardé cette page : [[WikiIndex:Nouvelle page pour vous-même|nouvelle page pour vous-même]], désormais ici nous oublions l'instant-wiki et adoptons les signatures chronodatées pour parler ! La révolution dans la terre-wiki ! -- [[Christophe Ducamp]] | <small>[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp|talk]]</small> 22:34, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)


Thanks again Ray, your caricatures are really funny. A very good idea tu humanize this wiki and others!--[[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 12:11, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)
Thanks again Ray, your caricatures are really funny. A very good idea tu humanize this wiki and others!--[[User:OlivierAuber|OlivierAuber]] 12:11, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)
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Glad you like them :-) --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 12:52, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)
Glad you like them :-) --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 12:52, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)


== WikiNode ==  
==[[WikiNode]]==  
[http://wikinodes.wiki.taoriver.net/moin.cgi/CommentConstruireLesR%C3%A9seauxWikiNodes|Comment construire les réseaux wiki nodes ?] aurait besoin de francophones. Je crois que nous avons toujours du mal à faire passer l'idée ? - Faudrait construire un gabarit français, qu'en penses-tu ? -- 09:09, 25 Feb 2006 (EST)
[http://WikiNodes.Wiki.TaoRiver.net/moin.cgi/CommentConstruireLesR%C3%A9seauxWikiNodes|Comment construire les réseaux wiki nodes ?] aurait besoin de francophones. Je crois que nous avons toujours du mal à faire passer l'idée ? - Faudrait construire un gabarit français, qu'en penses-tu ? -- 09:09, 25 Feb 2006 (EST)


J'en pense que c'est toujours une excellente idée... qui nécessite un peu de temps. Je suis certain que cette démarche rencontra tôt ou tard celle de l'agrégateur poïétique...
J'en pense que c'est toujours une excellente idée... qui nécessite un peu de temps. Je suis certain que cette démarche rencontra tôt ou tard celle de l'agrégateur poïétique...


== XLwiki ==
==[[XLwiki]]==
I don't understand why the logo does'nt appear..
I don't understand why the logo does'nt appear..
: [[Talk:XLwiki]] - me neither [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:45, 23 Mar 2006 (EST)
:[[Talk:XLwiki]] - me neither [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:45, 23 Mar 2006 (EST)


== Transclusion in MediaWiki software ==
==Transclusion in MediaWiki software==
If you want to use something in the template namespace, you just use a double pair of curly brackets (e.g. <nowiki>{{example}}</nowiki> for [[Template:example]]). If it is some text somewhere else in the wiki, you have to provide the whole path. For example, on the Wikipedia, many of the editors who great new editors, instead of using the default [[wp:template:welcome|welcome template]], will create a custom welcome as a subpage of their user page. If the subpage is [[User:Example/welcome]], then you would transclude the custom welcome by typing <nowiki>{{user:Example/welcome}}</nowiki>.  
If you want to use something in the [[template]] namespace, you just use a double pair of curly brackets (e.g. <tt><nowiki>{{Example}}</nowiki></tt> for [[Template:Example]]). If it is some text somewhere else in the wiki, you have to provide the whole path. For example, on the [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], many of the [[editor]]s who great new editors, instead of using the default {{Wp|Template:Welcome|welcome template}}, will create a custom welcome as a subpage of their [[user page]]. If the subpage is <tt><nowiki>[[User:Example/welcome]]</nowiki></tt>, then you would transclude the custom welcome by typing <tt><nowiki>{{User:Example/welcome}}</nowiki></tt>.  


Does that answer your question about transclusion in MediaWiki software? Since I do not always visit the WikiIndex everyday, you might also leave a message at [[wp:User talk:BlankVerse]]. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 21:45, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
Does that answer your question about transclusion in MediaWiki software? Since I do not always visit the WikiIndex everyday, you might also leave a message at {{Wp|User talk:BlankVerse}}. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 21:45, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)


:The wikipedia dispute on transclusion/templates you linked to is really a two-fold dispute that is also mixed in with problems with some difficult personalities. One part of it is that there are some noticable server cost to using transclusion which can be greatly maginfied with very popular templates and/or template nesting. AFAIK this is really only a problem with large, very heavily edited wikis (with vandalism exasperating the problem), which means that it probably only impacts the Wikimedia projects and no other wikis.
:The wikipedia dispute on transclusion / templates you linked to is really a two-fold dispute, that is also mixed in with problems with some difficult personalities. One part of it is that there are some noticeable server cost to using transclusion, which can be greatly magnified with very popular templates, and / or template nesting. AFAIK this is really only a problem with large, very heavily [[edit]]ed wikis (with [[vandal]]ism exasperating the problem), which means that it probably only impacts the [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia projects]] and no other wikis.


:The second part of the transclusion/template problem is that there is no logic coding currently built into templates in the MediaWiki softare, so that there have been a number of different kludges that have been created to provide for some if/then logic in templates. The kludges involve either the performance hit from nested templates, or using CSS that will break text-based web browser and accessibility software for the visually-impared. Both solutions also break easily with any changes, and are mostly unintelligible to non-cognoscenti. Especially the people who designed or regular use those "solutions" refuse to acknowledge that there are any problems with them. The best way to go about things IMHO is to create less "universal" templates that don't require any logic coding.
:The second part of the transclusion / template problem is that there is no logic coding currently built into templates in the MediaWiki software, so that there have been a number of different kludges that have been created to provide for some if / then logic in [[template]]s. The kludges involve either the performance hit from nested templates, or using [[:Category:Cascading Style Sheets|CSS]] that will break text-based web [[:Category:Browser|browser]] and accessibility software for the visually-impaired. Both solutions also break easily with any changes, and are mostly unintelligible to non-cognoscenti. Especially the people who designed or regular use those "solutions", refuse to acknowledge that there are any problems with them. The best way to go about things IMHO is to create less "universal" templates that don't require any logic coding.


:As for external transclusion, I know that many websites will try to prevent any use of elements from their websites (especially graphics files) by other websites. For external transclusion into MediaWiki software-based wikis, I've seen at least one wiki that allowed referencing external graphics (sorry, don't remember which one), and all of the Wikimedia projects use the [[Wikimedia Commons]] as a semi-external datafile repository. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 21:25, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT)
:As for external transclusion, I know that many [[:Category:Websites|websites]] will try to prevent any use of elements from their websites (especially graphics files) by other websites. For external transclusion into MediaWiki software-based [[WhatIsWiki|wikis]], I've seen at least one wiki that allowed referencing external graphics (sorry, don't remember which one), and all of the Wikimedia projects use the [[Wikimedia Commons]] as a semi-external datafile repository. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 21:25, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT)

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Welcome

Oliver, we are trying out using article namespace for names, and user talk pages for message. Nice to have you here, Best, MarkDilley

Added your question to WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions - Where is the rss feed?

Proposal to the WikiIndex community

Mark, I would like to make the same proposal as the one in WorldWideWiki, but it seems that it is not possible to transclude anything into MediaWiki... (or to include HTML/Iframe). An other question is: Where is the rss feed? of WikiIndex. OlivierAuber 10:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)

Oliver, If you go to recent changes, you will see an RSS link on the left hand menu. Neat stuff you're doing too! --Ray 12:00, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)

Thanks Ray, but it seems that something is broken:

Erreur d'analyse XML : instruction de traitement XML pas au début d'une entité externe Emplacement : https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss Numéro de ligne 2, Colonne 1 :<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>

Do you have an idea about the transclude in Mediawiki? OlivierAuber 13:37, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)

Placing your questions on the WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions - Best, MarkDilley

Thanks Mark. Please let me know when the RSS feed runs again

Here is a little mock-up of what we may do : VeilleWikipedia--OlivierAuber 11:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)


You Rock!!! ;-) -MarkDilley

I found this alternative syndicated feed generator for MediaWiki: https://Meta.Wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiFeeds Maybe interesting for WikiIndex - OlivierAuber 18:50, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)

Caricatures

Oliver, we're doing caricatures for wiki people we know and would be very happy to do one for you if you wish. Just upload or send me a pic and I'll have it done --Raymond King | talk 03:09, 4 Feb 2006 (EST)

Thnks Ray! Is this ok? OlivierAuber 06:23, 6 Feb 2006 (EST)

Yipes, that's just a little small and might be tough for the caricaturist to do, do you have something larger? --Raymond King | talk 13:13, 6 Feb 2006 (EST)

OlivierAuber200.jpg

Is that better ;-)--OlivierAuber 08:24, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)

Yes :-) --Raymond King | talk 02:11, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)

Elle est superbe ta photo! As-tu regardé cette page : nouvelle page pour vous-même, désormais ici nous oublions l'instant-wiki et adoptons les signatures chronodatées pour parler ! La révolution dans la terre-wiki ! -- Christophe Ducamp | talk 22:34, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)

Thanks again Ray, your caricatures are really funny. A very good idea tu humanize this wiki and others!--OlivierAuber 12:11, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)

Glad you like them :-) --Raymond King | talk 12:52, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)

WikiNode

construire les réseaux wiki nodes ? aurait besoin de francophones. Je crois que nous avons toujours du mal à faire passer l'idée ? - Faudrait construire un gabarit français, qu'en penses-tu ? -- 09:09, 25 Feb 2006 (EST)

J'en pense que c'est toujours une excellente idée... qui nécessite un peu de temps. Je suis certain que cette démarche rencontra tôt ou tard celle de l'agrégateur poïétique...

XLwiki

I don't understand why the logo does'nt appear..

Talk:XLwiki - me neither TedErnst | talk 16:45, 23 Mar 2006 (EST)

Transclusion in MediaWiki software

If you want to use something in the template namespace, you just use a double pair of curly brackets (e.g. {{Example}} for Template:Example). If it is some text somewhere else in the wiki, you have to provide the whole path. For example, on the Wikipedia, many of the editors who great new editors, instead of using the default welcome template, will create a custom welcome as a subpage of their user page. If the subpage is [[User:Example/welcome]], then you would transclude the custom welcome by typing {{User:Example/welcome}}.

Does that answer your question about transclusion in MediaWiki software? Since I do not always visit the WikiIndex everyday, you might also leave a message at User talk:BlankVerse. User:BlankVerse | talk 21:45, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)

The wikipedia dispute on transclusion / templates you linked to is really a two-fold dispute, that is also mixed in with problems with some difficult personalities. One part of it is that there are some noticeable server cost to using transclusion, which can be greatly magnified with very popular templates, and / or template nesting. AFAIK this is really only a problem with large, very heavily edited wikis (with vandalism exasperating the problem), which means that it probably only impacts the Wikimedia projects and no other wikis.
The second part of the transclusion / template problem is that there is no logic coding currently built into templates in the MediaWiki software, so that there have been a number of different kludges that have been created to provide for some if / then logic in templates. The kludges involve either the performance hit from nested templates, or using CSS that will break text-based web browser and accessibility software for the visually-impaired. Both solutions also break easily with any changes, and are mostly unintelligible to non-cognoscenti. Especially the people who designed or regular use those "solutions", refuse to acknowledge that there are any problems with them. The best way to go about things IMHO is to create less "universal" templates that don't require any logic coding.
As for external transclusion, I know that many websites will try to prevent any use of elements from their websites (especially graphics files) by other websites. For external transclusion into MediaWiki software-based wikis, I've seen at least one wiki that allowed referencing external graphics (sorry, don't remember which one), and all of the Wikimedia projects use the Wikimedia Commons as a semi-external datafile repository. User:BlankVerse | talk 21:25, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT)