WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines

Misc issues

I've looked briefly at your suggested guidelings and it looks like something that we can discuss. Frankly I've had trouble with those who want me fired before and I know them, I think they're just trolling me. I'd rather stay an admin here but if things go wrong there's plenty for me to do elsewhere online or offline. Proxima Centauri 03:11, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

Do you know if the owners of WikiIndex support a consensus approach? Is the opposition pretty much out of luck as far as any disagreement with you, in other words? Lumenos 04:59, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

I don't mean to pry, but when you say "fired" does that mean you are a paid employee? Lumenos 04:59, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

If you have already decided on what conditions you are willing to work here, I'd be interested in that. If the owner agrees or disagrees to your terms, then we will have some official policy. I don't see this as democratic but it would save time, if that is what it comes down to. Lumenos 04:59, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

Lumenos seems to have one agenda here, and that is fairly clear when one looks at L's contribs.

I think the general policy here is to simply describe wikis, not to engage in petty arguments about their worldview. Huw Powell 07:14, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

It doesn't look like Proxima has any serious intentions of leaving, so the subject of this thread is concluded, as far as I am concerned. I will quote your accusations on your talk page, and respond there. Lumenos 05:32, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

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I applaud your attempt at making clear to everyone what our policies and guidelines are. All too often one person thinks one action is the obvious common-sense right thing to do, and that one thing is, and always has been, the policy; while someone else thinks the same thing about some conflicting action. Best to get everyone on the same page before some emergency erupts.

However, although I think "documented rules" are better than "unwritten rules", I think a more important principle is "Keep it simple". Also known as Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep.

Is there is a better wiki somewhere for discussing the *potential* kinds of rules that a wiki *could* set up? One that could calmly discuss the pros and cons of a particular policy, and its impact if all/most/some/none new wikis adopted it. Perhaps MeatballWiki ? --DavidCary 00:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Parts of it may be appropriate at MeatballWiki, but much of it is specific to this wiki and its editors and administration. I'm responding to some conflicts amongst the administration and editors here. I've gotten some support from Proxima both here and on my talk page, and no objections thus far. Again, I apologize for my embarrassing blunders on your talk page. I'm usually not that absent minded. Lumenos 08:40, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Do you know if the owners of this wiki favor a consensus approach to resolving conflicts or developing policy? By that I mean involving and inviting the community of administrators, editors, and readers to collaborate to develop policy, etc? I think that fact would illuminate a description of the policy to a great degree. It would also save me a lot of time trying to derive consensus if this won't be allowed anyway. Lumenos 08:48, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

As far as keeping it simple. Well, do you want me to just make up some rules? :-) Lumenos 09:54, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

I put a notice at the top saying, "For a few simple guidelines, see WikiIndex:Guidelines. For other guidelines, see Category:Guidelines." There is not much there however. People get fairly heated with this stuff and I think there is a need to address issues of how to properly go about attempting to "force" one's will, when people don't agree. So I see policy solely as a means to resolving conflicts. Lumenos 09:54, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

I don't mind if you want (me) to move some or all of it, but one problem is that it would give me some work to do because I may fix all the "interwiki" links I created, to it. (I've created links to specific sections in it.) I do that to divert people's aggression, into a constructive means of building consensus. So when a squabble breaks out, I send someone the link and I say, here Genius, you know how everyone should act make up some rules for us. :-) Which they usually don't do, but thus far I've been pleased with the progress of one wiki article. Someone who was protective of the wiki, agreed to a criticism section and they actually posted it themselves. They also have been allowing a link to a sort of "rival wiki". Lumenos 13:03, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

How to do this sort of thing

You talk on the talk page, find areas that people agree on, and eventually make the "article". The way this is being done is a disaster. A mess. And Lumenos is linking to it as a "policy" page on user talk pages. Huw Powell 01:02, 6 September 2009 (EDT)