Thanks for helping in the debate, I'm sorry I can't stop them getting at you as well because if I try they'll say I'm using admin status in a case that involves me. Usually this is a polite wiki but it is deteriorating rapidly and unless things improve they can look for someone else to look after the wiki. Proxima Centauri 14:39, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- I have no issue with Lumenos; I am merely pointing out that you are not being attacked by zombie computers. Phantom Hoover 15:46, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- I should add that I like you too Phantom Hoover, even though you have apparently claimed to be "a dude" and I am critical of a number of your arguments as well. :-) Lumenos 02:37, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
- I'm not sure what this is about. If this is in reference to the policy page, I'm not worried about my privacy. If this is about the edits to the RationalWiki article, I didn't post my edits intending them to be set in stone. When I came back and looked at the waring over that article I wondered if you weren't defending me or maybe following that etiquette policy? I don't think you should block people over that, at least not until we write some policies that have community support. Otherwise who is to say what is trolling, vandalism, or unwarranted blocking in a case like that? Lumenos 15:59, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- Proxima, I forgot to say that you are welcome for my help with the debate. I don't know if it means anything to you but my "critical" comments don't change the fact that I like you. Lumenos 17:14, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
IRC
Can we take the 3-odd discussions we are holding right now to IRC? If you're using Firefox, install ChatZilla and click on the #wikiindex link on the left; otherwise google for a client for your OS, install one, then at the IRC command line type "/server irc.freenode.net", then "/join #wikiindex". Phantom Hoover 15:23, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- I didn't get this message until a few hours ago. I may be up for it at some point but I have got so much to do now. Lumenos 01:38, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
- For future reference I put together a list of ways to contact me either "privately" or in real-time on my Lumeniki user profile. Lumenos 01:56, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
Reordering talk page comments
You have just made Talk:RationalWiki impossible to follow. Please stop doing that. Nx 03:06, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- You could reorder it. I thank you for helping by posting that message showing that I had moved something that seemed off-topic, in my view. My ideal is something I call a wikiforum. Isn't there are way we can create debate maps, and remove dated or otherwise irrelevant information? I suggested a separate article for criticism and Proxima stated that she would prefer this to the "no criticism" approach. Are you open to the idea of someone linking or posting any criticism that you may not agree with? Lumenos 06:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Er, Lumenos, you could also not screw up talk pages in the first place. "Reordering it" would probably consist of reverting to before you mucked it up. Nice work of applying your rather unique mental processes to a shared space. Huw Powell 07:17, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Well I wish I'd have known how you both feel about this, before I went to all that effort. I suppose you could revert it, but Nx did much work on it since the first reordering. He was certainly aware of it long before he complained, as the edit history shows. I made it into a "debate map". Did you feel that it was misleading, biased, or hard to read? Lumenos 07:47, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Oh, so now it's my fault because I didn't complain soon enough? LOL Nx 07:53, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Well the consequence is we have no neat way of undoing it, if that be the most beneficial course of action. Is there any way we can correct this now that I am "out voted" so to speak? Lumenos 07:59, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- I guess I should have asked. Lumenos 08:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Next time, don't go around reordering talk pages. Nx 08:01, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Awww, you won't tell me what is wrong with the new version so we can fix it? Lumenos 08:04, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- What is wrong is that you started moving comments, inserting "witty" comments about it, duplicating comments, and generally making a mess out of the whole thing. We can't fix it. Next time you can refrain from touching other people's comments. Nx 08:07, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Awww, you won't tell me what is wrong with the new version so we can fix it? Lumenos 08:04, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Next time, don't go around reordering talk pages. Nx 08:01, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Oh, so now it's my fault because I didn't complain soon enough? LOL Nx 07:53, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Well I wish I'd have known how you both feel about this, before I went to all that effort. I suppose you could revert it, but Nx did much work on it since the first reordering. He was certainly aware of it long before he complained, as the edit history shows. I made it into a "debate map". Did you feel that it was misleading, biased, or hard to read? Lumenos 07:47, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Er, Lumenos, you could also not screw up talk pages in the first place. "Reordering it" would probably consist of reverting to before you mucked it up. Nice work of applying your rather unique mental processes to a shared space. Huw Powell 07:17, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
Writing policies and facilitating consensus
In a sense I am trying to act as a sort of ambassador between some RationalWikians and some of the sysops here. Do you feel that I am out of line, say for example the way I just went and edited WikiIndex:Editing_etiquette to hopefully prevent some RW editors from being banned for deleting information? Lumenos 08:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
How about the way I created WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines to try to facilitate a consensus approach? Please let me know early if this is wandalous or...something much more insidious. ;-) Lumenos 08:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
Copyrights
WikiIndex:Copyrights says, "Most content on this wiki is under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/." Does that statement apply to talk pages? Lumenos 08:12, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
- Yes. Also why are you asking this on your talk page? Nx 08:15, 1 September 2009 (EDT)