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"REFRAINING FROM ATTACKING A MEMBER'S MOTIVES. When a question is pending, a member can condemn the nature or likely consequences of the proposed measure in strong terms, but he must avoid personalities, and under no circumstances can he attack or question the motives of another member. The measure, not the member, is the subject of debate." [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 08:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC) | "REFRAINING FROM ATTACKING A MEMBER'S MOTIVES. When a question is pending, a member can condemn the nature or likely consequences of the proposed measure in strong terms, but he must avoid personalities, and under no circumstances can he attack or question the motives of another member. The measure, not the member, is the subject of debate." [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 08:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
::What's the "measure"? RONR is formal process, and only allows one measure to be on the floor. However, when a series of measures are under consideration, the purpose of the ''series'' becomes relevant. RONR has means for summary resolution of certain kinds of disputes. As you know, that's often lacking on wikis. However, a basic principle is that, to be considered, a motion must be seconded. Motive, all the rest, is utterly irrelevant if there is no second. | |||
::If we are running a library, and we are offered a "special collection," the overarching purpose of the collection is quite relevant. If a collection consists only of materials added from a very specific and very personal point of view, that point of view, the collector's purpose, becomes important. | |||
::In the present cases, articles on wiki users are being created by someone who has specific interest in the users, often involved in conflict with the user, or frustrated that a debate was avoided. The information presented is highly selected, presenting a user with a complex history as if he could be reduced to a few highly selected snippets. | |||
::If the article is worth keeping, yes, the intention of the creator becomes irrelevant. But what I've begun to do is to examine a ''pattern of behavior,'' that will, if allowed to continue, foster, invite, and amplify disruption here. | |||
::It is not that it is impossible for this wiki to host "wiki criticism." It is that the structure here is not designed to handle it. Lecuosticte is acting outside of traditions here. The page on [[:Category:Wiki People]], which he attempted to change, has | |||
:::''this is a list of people who consider themselves to be part of the wiki community and their associations to various Wiki sites | |||
:::''Please add your name to this list by creating a new page for yourself. | |||
::There is nothing there about creating pages on others. It's been done for some highly notable people. [[Jimbo Wales]], for example. Leucosticte created a page on me, [[Abd Lomax]]. It's not particularly offensive, though it points to a page that was intended to be so, from a dead wiki, with the material having been copied by Leucosticte to his wiki, [[RationalWikiWikiWiki]], [http://en.rationalwikiwikiwiki.org/wiki/Abd]. That page gives a warped history of my work, written from a pseudoskeptic RationalWikian perspective, where the primary goal of all RW work was maximized snark. It tells little about my real history, who I actually am, my accomplishments, what I'm known internationally for, though there is a hint about one small facet of my career. | |||
::Allowing such material opens a huge can of worms. Hosting controversial criticism of wikis was considered in the past, here, and no consensus was found. That's because ''it's a difficult problem.'' --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 17:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC) | |||