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Either way, another question is, are we going to actually make use of [[:Template:Delete]] and invite discussion, or just have sysops delete pages summarily? Pages deleted in that manner can be undeleted, but then we have the classic problem that non-sysops are unable to view the page and therefore cannot give very well-informed input about whether undeletion would be a good idea. If we are going to use the template, then sysops will need to periodically close those discussions; that didn't happen with the last round of deletion proposals. They sat there for weeks, so I closed them myself as "keep" or "no consensus" since there was in fact no consensus to delete (hardly anyone saw fit to weigh in on those talk pages). [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | Either way, another question is, are we going to actually make use of [[:Template:Delete]] and invite discussion, or just have sysops delete pages summarily? Pages deleted in that manner can be undeleted, but then we have the classic problem that non-sysops are unable to view the page and therefore cannot give very well-informed input about whether undeletion would be a good idea. If we are going to use the template, then sysops will need to periodically close those discussions; that didn't happen with the last round of deletion proposals. They sat there for weeks, so I closed them myself as "keep" or "no consensus" since there was in fact no consensus to delete (hardly anyone saw fit to weigh in on those talk pages). [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
:'''Deletion''' That's a fair question: it's hard to figure out what the community wants when it's too small but it's also hard to foster community if there are rogue admins. Do you want me to undelete? If so, I can move it to your userspace. I don't think that we want to make millions of profiles on wiki users—that sounds nonsensical. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 17:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | :'''Deletion''' That's a fair question: it's hard to figure out what the community wants when it's too small but it's also hard to foster community if there are rogue admins. Do you want me to undelete? If so, I can move it to your userspace. I don't think that we want to make millions of profiles on wiki users—that sounds nonsensical. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 17:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
::You can userfy it if you want. Since the norm on this wiki is that userspace can be edited by people other than the user, it's not that much different from mainspace. However, those userspace pages would need to be dropped from any mainspace categories, which I guess is part of the point. | |||
::I don't see how it's nonsensical to host content on non-notable stuff. If we were to limit ourselves to covering notable wikis, wiki people, and wiki ideas, then our purpose would already be served by Wikipedia. The lower you set the notability standard, the more people are attracted to the wiki to write articles about non-notable stuff, and you end up with a larger community to keep these articles at a reasonably high standard of quality (in terms of criteria such as [[wp:Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria#The_six_good_article_criteria|these]] or [http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newCS_85.htm these]). People google some obscure wiki, wiki person, or wiki idea, and find WikiIndex at the top of the search results and end up editing the article and perhaps exploring the rest of WikiIndex. | |||
::I've never been persuaded by deletionist arguments such as that having too many articles causes categories to get clogged up with cruft. In that situation, we simply create more subcategories so that no category gets too big. E.g. if "Wikis created in 2014" gets too big, then we narrow it down to "Wikis created in May 2014". Also, although RecentChanges does get clogged up with edits to cruft articles when there aren't high notability standards, the alternative might be that (1) RecentChanges gets clogged up with deletion debates and/or (2) people get disgruntled over the outcome of debates over notability and leave the wiki, resulting in fewer people watching RecentChanges. | |||
::That's why I tend toward radical inclusionism. Well, that and the fact that I like to write about cruft. In the immortal words of Encyclopedia Dramatica, "Wikipedia deletes thousands of articles a day that they consider 'cruft'. People who use Wikipedia like to write a lot of 'cruft', from mentioning tours that musicians have gone on through to various characters in cartoon shows, computer games or tabletop roleplaying games, it is what Wikipedia does. Furthermore, it is what Wikipedia does best! But at the same time, Wikipedia hates that that is what they do best! They want to instead be known for making legitimate, real, articles, however they can never do this right and end up with totally inaccurate articles where they can't even get the dates right." [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 17:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | |||