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{{TOCright}}[[Category:WikiIndex|Community talk]]

This '''community talk''' page is a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki People|community person]] but towards the whole group; or if you don't know who to ask here at [[WikiIndex]]. A similar page with similar purposes is [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal]].

I prepared to move [[:Category:OddMuse]] to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.oddmuse.org official website].  I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category.  Ouch.  [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)

I have a friend that wants a private wiki for his business.  I tried to help him set up [[UseMod]] and failed.  He knows about and has used [[PBwiki]] and is worried about his data if they go under.  Where should he go to feel secure about both his data not being seen and his data not disappearing at some point. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:28, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

*[[Confluence]] [[Atlassian]] - http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ - Mike fron [[RecentChangesCamp]]

*[[Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks.

:I can only guess that that's a MediaWiki feature.  If you don't use the watchlist, does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

It seems that our '''user talk''' pages are always in bold, is that true? [[MarkDilley]]

Is there a wiki for the G programming language?  If one exists, I'd like to list it in the [[WikiIndex]].  I see what appears to be one using [[TikiWiki]] at

==WikiNode question==

:There's a more useful page at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID . I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST)

::Would love to implement OpenID, as we discussed at RCC 2007, I've read over the installation page and it doesn't look too hairy. We do have a couple of issues that need to be resolved before we can go live with it, our .htaccess rewrite code quit working when we upgraded to MW 1.8.2 and changed hosts. I'll try to resolve our issues this week and start working on OpenID this weekend or early next week. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 09:25, 13 February 2007 (PST)

The skin "Nostalgia" was designed to mimic UseMod, and does a pretty good job of it. I just found it in my preferences and was quite impressed. The only major difference is that the page title isn't a link to "What Links Here" a.k.a. BackLinks. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 14:35, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

On page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InterWiki.  I see a link to a "BuildingControlsWiki".  Apparently, that page (including that link) was copied from http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/InterWikiMap.  Alas, it appears that wiki has gone offline.  Or perhaps it moved? does anyone know where?  --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:12, 22 November 2006 (EST)

If it's not too server-painful, we can upload an image for each category, for example a French flag for [[:Category:French]], or a image of an iPod at [[:Category:IPod]]. <span title="gotta love Wii">&ndash;</span> [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 11:23, 7 December 2006 (EST)

We do seem to have many redundant categories, for instance [[:category:game]]/[[:category:games]]/[[:category:gaming]]. These seem to often be being #REDIRECT'ed - not necessarily the best approach, as a redirected page still appears to be a blue link and therefore is prone to keep getting added to articles. Would deleting the duplicates entirely so that they become [[red links]] be more likely to discourage their recreation or re-use? The [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASmiddle&diff=37811&oldid=37514 politics] is, I presume, just a sideshow and the creation of multiple near-identical categories in most cases merely an accident, but I thought it would be best to ask here instead of trying to find a "votes for speedy deletion" tag for them.

Is anyone interested in working together to learn what is most effective or critical for wikis, especially attracting contributors? If so, please see the [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Analysis_collaboration%3F discussion] at Wikia. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] 15:06, 10 December 2006 (EST)

If I want to change my username, should I just open a new account, or is possible (easy) to change it and keep the edit history, like I did on Wikipedia at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Changing username]]? Thanks --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small>^{[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]}</small> 00:41, 19 December 2006 (PST)

Archive, and Information Studies, UCL, London.  http://www.slais.ucl.ac.uk/

It'd be best to incorporate social networking stuff, to help finding people in one's local area. This is not a wiki's strength, but I think Wikia's making progress. What we'd really like is to be able to bring over or tie in networking stuff from other wikis. I've read snippets about improvements to social networking sites to allow people to transfer personal information. Then there's Google's OpenSocial. But what's still missing is a way to do a single search for people, on a single site. Perhaps as things get more sophisticated, Google's OpenSocial APIs will enable this kind of thing, or there'll be some other way of marking our personal pages on different sites (a bit like how CC license marks work).  

Besides reverting, is there a procedure for dealing with minor vandalism, such as this? [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex&curid=2115&diff=57412&oldid=54947] --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:36, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Is there a central repository to report spam entries? I'd been reporting them on to an individual admin because I saw someone else do the same thing, but I don't want overburden that person. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 14:40, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Further organizational ideas doubtlessly exist, but what I've layed out here should, I think, provide a first basis for the WikiIndex.- [[User:Jacjohncoles|Jacjohncoles]]^{[[User_talk:Jacjohncoles|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Jacjohncoles|Contribs]]} 16:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

of a structure and naming scheme for wiki sites with multiple language versions: have a look [[WikiIndex:Naming Conventions#multiple language versions|here]] and discuss it before it gets a new recommended standard or so...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 18:44, 29 January 2009 (EST)

:One problem with this strategy, is that one of the places I've seen that has a 'review' of a wiki is [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]. Wikia is a wiki farm, so the issues that have been brought up on that page relate to any future wiki that someone might choose to host on Wikia (or elsewhere), but they also relate (to a lesser extent) to every wiki that has the Wikia category added to it.

:I think that specific bits of information, like the examples I've given, can be very helpful to someone who wants to decide if they should spend time reading or writing on an individual wiki, but if I just read that User X thinks that 'Wiki Y is brilliant or rubbish at doing Z', then that really isn't helpful to me. I think that things like the wikiFactor (which is an optional feature on Template:Size) are so much more useful than longhand opinions, because I can very rapidly compare two wikis and decide which one I prefer. Feautures like wikiFactor, put the reader in the driving seat and inform rather than preach. More importantly, things like wikiFactor (or the absence or lack of adverts) are things that can easily be translated from English into a ton of other languages - long winded opinions are going to cause translation delays. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 08:50, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Template:Size also features the wikiFactor, and I wonder if the same bot could also check this information.  (Having said that, I know nothing about bot programming and it might be easier to have a second bot to do that.)  A bot that searches for wikis that do not currently have a wikiFactor (and then searches the wiki stats to see if it can be added) could also be useful.  I know that all wikis work slightly differently, but wiki farms (like [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]) generally have the same setup on every wiki, so it might be easier to create a WikiaWikiFactorBot than a multi-wiki wikiFactorBot.  But I would think that any automation of moving stats would help keep WikiIndex as up to date as possible.

Hi all.  Before starting to participate in this wiki, I would like to know if there are public dumps or backups.  I mean, I like to have copies of the free licensed projects where I collaborate.  I don't like when a fantastic projects disappear in a data disaster.  MediaWiki contains a script for generating dumps.  You can read more about this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki#XML_dump here].  Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:30, 3 November 2010 (PDT)

I think this could be of great benefit to MediaWiki user's and other people with a passion for sharing information, whether publically or behind company firewalls. Here's my question: where can I highlight this where it will be effective but not draw disapproval? Note: there's no money involved so there is nothing to sell except a free exchange of information. Thanks in advance for any advice.

--[[User:Mark Robinson|Mark Robinson]] 04:14, 7 November 2010 (PST)

:p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag [[WikiSpeedia]] and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST)

::A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The [[wp:Wikipedia:Village pump|Village Pump]] is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_November_24 2007 November 24]). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Columns-list to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[User:WikiFan|WikiFan]] 20:34, 1 November 2011 (PDT)

:''Is it possible for you to intengrated size and wikiFactor into the wiki template?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]''

Greetings!

 

There are two new WikiProjects at [[MediaWiki.org]] I thought folks here may be interested in:

*[[mw:Project:WikiProject_SysAdmins|WikiProject SysAdmins]]

*[[mw:Project:WikiProject_Extensions|WikiProject Extensions]]

As an initial activity, utilizing the model set by Wikimedia staff [[IRC]] office hours, MediaWiki.org's WikiProject Extensions is presenting our first MediaWiki Workshops for developers (volunteer and staff).  Preparing extensions for MediaWiki 1.19 will be held on 13 January, 2012 at 19:00 UTC in IRC (#wikimedia-dev).

Everyone is invited to attend.  Developers interested in serving as "extensions" or "MediaWiki 1.19" experts are encouraged to signup as participants at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_Extensions/MediaWiki_Workshops#MediaWiki_1.19_Experts

More information: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_Extensions/MediaWiki_Workshops

MediaWiki.org's WikiProject SysAdmins will also likely host similar MediaWiki Workshops to help third-party wiki system administrators.  Stay tuned for more information, and chime in at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_SysAdmins/Ideas

::::If MediaWiki were as easy to administer as, say, WordPress, it probably wouldn't be such an issue. Unfortunately, attempts to modify MediaWiki to mimic what has worked well for WordPress and other CMS'es [[mw:Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects#Extension_management_platform|didn't end well]]. We still are not at a point at which, say, use of [[mw:Extension:Configure]] is the default. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:49, 22 November 2012 (PST)

Both of you raise interesting comments and observations, and both, to a certain extent are accurate and valid.  Personally, I have no axe to grind against Wikia or indeed any other host or wiki farm, but I do think that it is perfectly acceptable to detail failings and criticisms against any host - providing that it is submitted here as a form of commentary, and more importantly, that it is '''fair, reasonable and accurate'''.  However, IMOVHO, I ''do'' think that Wikia have questions to answer - around many aspects of its operation, including advertising, and malicious code it hides.  And whilst it is very true that new wikis are frequently being created on Wikia, the amount of wikis which have been abandoned on Wikia is startling!

Anyway, I suppose we can operate under the assumption that any wiki that nobody bothered to list at WikiIndex probably isn't all that important. The significance is that whatever wikis aren't listed at WikiIndex aren't going to end up in the [[Proposal:Interwiki list|interwiki list]], unless I do a separate run to grab that data off of Wikia and other wiki farms. Whether that would be desirable given the potentially high rate of useless Wikia wikis is another story. It might hurt the [[mw:canonical interwiki prefixes|interwiki map]] project to clog up the list with a bunch of items pertaining to low-quality wikis. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:43, 22 November 2012 (PST)

Should 11,000 characters be regarded as pretty much the maximum, and optimal for providing enough information but still being short enough to read and navigate comfortable for many users? So then, if anyone wanted to add content to such an article, he would need to remove something less important from that article. It definitely limits how comprehensive such an article could be. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia weighs in at 53,000 characters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia is 197,000 characters long. Articles definitely ''could'' include a lot more information, if that were what we were going for. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 07:16, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

== To what extent is WikiIndex intended to serve as a [[meatball wiki]] ==

 

:If clear standards are developed, I could assist in applying them. The problem with hosting deeper content, opinion, judgments, etc., is that it can rapidly spin out into massive debate. It can be done, but it takes protective structure. As an example of how we were able, on Wikiversity, to handle what could have become a massive content dispute, see [http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Landmark_Education]. The overall presentation is neutral, and anything controversial or possibly controversial is on attributed subpages, with explicit attribution, not merely attribution through history. It can help, somewhat, if editors engaging in this are not anonymous. Anonymity fuels and enables seriously antisocial behavior. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 14:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC)