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:I see WikiIndex as having, and for a long time, a narrow purpose, with most users believing they understood it, and working on it here and there. It was mostly a low-conflict wiki, because of that narrowness of purpose. It was, I think, *effectively clear,* the policy. Except, of course, it wasn't formal, documented, and, when problems arose, it was largely unenforced. Wikis die if they don't clear this passage. [[User:Abd|Abd]] | :I see WikiIndex as having, and for a long time, a narrow purpose, with most users believing they understood it, and working on it here and there. It was mostly a low-conflict wiki, because of that narrowness of purpose. It was, I think, *effectively clear,* the policy. Except, of course, it wasn't formal, documented, and, when problems arose, it was largely unenforced. Wikis die if they don't clear this passage. [[User:Abd|Abd]] | ||
::I'm not sure this is the first time these sorts of issues have arisen here. I don't think anyone has written a very thorough history of WikiIndex; there's no WikiIndexWiki to document the conflicts, and a lot of conflicts are settled in places other than the community portal. I can see, though, that requests for explicit rules have been pending since [[User_talk:MarkDilley/Archive5#Please_help_develop_explicit_rules|at least 2009]]. The question about the point of view of the wiki [[User_talk:MarkDilley/Archive4#Conserva.C3.A8dia|goes back to 2008]]. Really, RationalWiki was a pretty big test case here, and we see how that ended up. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC) | ::I'm not sure this is the first time these sorts of issues have arisen here. I don't think anyone has written a very thorough history of WikiIndex; there's no WikiIndexWiki to document the conflicts, and a lot of conflicts are settled in places other than the community portal. I can see, though, that requests for explicit rules have been pending since [[User_talk:MarkDilley/Archive5#Please_help_develop_explicit_rules|at least 2009]]. The question about the point of view of the wiki [[User_talk:MarkDilley/Archive4#Conserva.C3.A8dia|goes back to 2008]]. Really, RationalWiki was a pretty big test case here, and we see how that ended up. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
:[[User:Proxima Centauri]] was a sysop here and a RationalWikian. She protected the RationalWiki listing while involved and was desysopped over it. However, I see no sign that policy was developed from the incidents. So then it happens all over again. I look at what was written then, people -- including one long-time sysop here -- wrote quite a bit. It is as if the wiki spat in their face, what you write means jack. Of course, they did not, themselves, write policy, they just gave their opinion. And that is common on wikis. Yak yak yak. Nothing. Repeat. Then someone violates a policy that was never explicit, and gets banned. They should have known better. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 01:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC) | |||