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[[User talk:Lumenos/Archive 001]] (<-- That is a subpage where I picked some comments to move. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:17, 26 June 2010 (EDT)) | |||
<big><big>[http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/User:Lumenos#How_to_contact_Lumenos How to contact Lumenos.]</big></big> | <big><big>[http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/User:Lumenos#How_to_contact_Lumenos How to contact Lumenos.]</big></big> | ||
==Community editing space== | ==Community editing space== | ||
On second thought WikiIndex may not appreciate doing this sort of thing here (it may flood Recent Changes). Go instead to [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:Lumenos/Lumenos%27_behaviour_evaluations a page I created at RationalWiki for this purpose] or you can write whereever you want at [[Lumeniki]] (it may take me a while to notice it there, depending on where I am active at that time). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:14, 26 June 2010 (EDT) | On second thought WikiIndex may not appreciate doing this sort of thing here (it may flood Recent Changes). Go instead to [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:Lumenos/Lumenos%27_behaviour_evaluations a page I created at RationalWiki for this purpose] or you can write whereever you want at [[Lumeniki]] (it may take me a while to notice it there, depending on where I am active at that time). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:14, 26 June 2010 (EDT) | ||
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===Evaluations of Lumenos at WikiIndex=== | ===Evaluations of Lumenos at WikiIndex=== | ||
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'''The following conversation began [[ | '''The following conversation began [[WikiIndex talk:Blocking Policy#Comparing the block policy proposals|on the block policy talk page]] and was moved here.''' | ||
(I don't know if those of us who are not a part of the administration are welcome to weigh in on this stuff. I've gotten mixed signals when doing so. There doesn't seem to be any prohibition against me doing so, so I will post an opinion on this. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:42, 17 September 2009 (EDT)) | (I don't know if those of us who are not a part of the administration are welcome to weigh in on this stuff. I've gotten mixed signals when doing so. There doesn't seem to be any prohibition against me doing so, so I will post an opinion on this. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:42, 17 September 2009 (EDT)) | ||
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==(First comments)== | ==(First comments)== | ||
Thanks for helping in the debate, I'm sorry I can't stop them getting at you as well because if I try they'll say I'm using admin status in a case that involves me. Usually this is a polite wiki but it is deteriorating rapidly and unless things improve they can look for someone else to look after the wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:39, 29 August 2009 (EDT) | Thanks for helping in the debate, I'm sorry I can't stop them getting at you as well because if I try they'll say I'm using admin status in a case that involves me. Usually this is a polite wiki but it is deteriorating rapidly and unless things improve they can look for someone else to look after the wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:39, 29 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
:I have no issue with Lumenos; I am merely pointing out that you are not being attacked by zombie computers. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:46, 29 August 2009 (EDT) | :I have no issue with Lumenos; I am merely pointing out that you are not being attacked by zombie computers. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:46, 29 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:Well the Phantom Hoovenator has taken an interest in [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=69874&oldid=68851 Lumeniki]. Maybe that is what you had in mind. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)[Changed link to specific "destructive" edit [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:18, 12 September 2009 (EDT)] | :Well the Phantom Hoovenator has taken an interest in [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=69874&oldid=68851 Lumeniki]. Maybe that is what you had in mind. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)[Changed link to specific "destructive" edit [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:18, 12 September 2009 (EDT)] | ||
== Reordering talk page comments == | ==Reordering talk page comments== | ||
You have just made [[Talk:RationalWiki]] impossible to follow. Please stop doing that. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 03:06, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | You have just made [[Talk:RationalWiki]] impossible to follow. Please stop doing that. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 03:06, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:'''''[For others who are reading this, I believe Nx is referring to the dialog beginning with the [[Talk:RationalWiki#Similar_wikis|Similar Wikis "debate map"]] that I and Nx created on that talk page (although he is presently acting as though he was unaware of this) and subsequent "mass quoting" to which Nx expressed no objections that I remember. Bob is also apparently acting as if he is unaware of this, thus prompting me to create this clarification notice. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:36, 4 September 2009 (EDT)''''' You could reorder it. I thank you for helping by posting that message showing that I had moved something that seemed off-topic, in my view. My ideal is something I call a [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Wikiforum wikiforum]. Isn't there are way we can create debate maps, and remove dated or otherwise irrelevant information? I suggested a separate article for criticism and Proxima stated that she would prefer this to the "no criticism" approach. Are you open to the idea of someone linking or posting any criticism that you may not agree with? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | :'''''[For others who are reading this, I believe Nx is referring to the dialog beginning with the [[Talk:RationalWiki#Similar_wikis|Similar Wikis "debate map"]] that I and Nx created on that talk page (although he is presently acting as though he was unaware of this) and subsequent "mass quoting" to which Nx expressed no objections that I remember. Bob is also apparently acting as if he is unaware of this, thus prompting me to create this clarification notice. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:36, 4 September 2009 (EDT)''''' You could reorder it. I thank you for helping by posting that message showing that I had moved something that seemed off-topic, in my view. My ideal is something I call a [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Wikiforum wikiforum]. Isn't there are way we can create debate maps, and remove dated or otherwise irrelevant information? I suggested a separate article for criticism and Proxima stated that she would prefer this to the "no criticism" approach. Are you open to the idea of someone linking or posting any criticism that you may not agree with? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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==Create a guideline for editing talk pages== | ==Create a guideline for editing talk pages== | ||
Link to it from [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]] | |||
==Writing policies and facilitating consensus== | |||
In a sense I am trying to act as a sort of ambassador between some RationalWikians and some of the sysops here. Do you feel that I am out of line, say for example the way I just went and edited [[WikiIndex:Editing etiquette]] to hopefully prevent some RW editors from being banned for deleting information? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
How about the way I created [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]] to try to facilitate a consensus approach? Please let me know early if this is wandalous <del>or...something much more insidious</del>. ;-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
How about the way I created [[WikiIndex: | |||
==responded== | ==responded== | ||
on my [[User talk:MarkDilley|talk page]] ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | on my [[User talk:MarkDilley|talk page]] ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
: ''also - seeing more rational for [http://wikiindex.org/User_talk:Proxima_Centauri#Quoting_or_paraphrasing_you.2C_in_WikiIndex_policy_proposals your neutrality request] - thanks, [[MarkDilley]] | :''also - seeing more rational for [http://wikiindex.org/User_talk:Proxima_Centauri#Quoting_or_paraphrasing_you.2C_in_WikiIndex_policy_proposals your neutrality request] - thanks, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
::Yes, I covet their <del>goblins</del> opponents :-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ::Yes, I covet their <del>goblins</del> opponents :-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== My "agenda" part 2 (this time it's scienticlish) == | ==My "agenda" part 2 (this time it's scienticlish)== | ||
[The italicized part was moved from a location which shall remain unnamed by all who are not goblins] | [The italicized part was moved from a location which shall remain unnamed by all who are not goblins] | ||
:''I can see how it can be difficult to [[ | :''I can see how it can be difficult to [[User talk:Nx|produce an "unbiased" article]] without blocking, when some editors are online more than others. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 10:28, 4 September 2009 (EDT)'' | ||
::''It's also hard to keep pushing your petty little agendas without blocking. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 10:37, 4 September 2009 (EDT)'' | ::''It's also hard to keep pushing your petty little agendas without blocking. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 10:37, 4 September 2009 (EDT)'' | ||
:I want to know my agenda! Are any of the following my "agendas" that you are referring to. These all relate to the [[RationalWiki]] article: | :I want to know my agenda! Are any of the following my "agendas" that you are referring to. These all relate to the [[RationalWiki]] article: | ||
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* Put a link to a debate regarding whether Wikipedia achieves the stated goals of RationalWiki, better than RationalWiki. Nx you were doing so well in this debate, you must be doing this to make the [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | * Put a link to a debate regarding whether Wikipedia achieves the stated goals of RationalWiki, better than RationalWiki. Nx you were doing so well in this debate, you must be doing this to make the [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:I wasn't referring to you. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 11:26, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :I wasn't referring to you. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 11:26, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::Doh! Okay well this is for [[ | ::Doh! Okay well this is for [[User talk:Huw Powell#My .22agenda.22|Huw]] then. (I always miss his sneaky edits.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:36, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Requests for Lumenos== | ==Requests for Lumenos== | ||
If anyone else doesn't appreciate something I have done, please post a diff or be specific about what your problem is. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | If anyone else doesn't appreciate something I have done, please post a diff or be specific about what your problem is. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
=== Rpeh === | ===Rpeh=== | ||
===="Trolling"==== | ===="Trolling"==== | ||
''Rpeh named a section "Trolling" and then posted:'' Stop it. You have become very tedious. I don't know what point you're trying to prove, but all you're doing at the moment is demonstrating that you're an irritating little person. [[User:Rpeh|Rpeh]] 12:21, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ''Rpeh named a section "Trolling" and then posted:'' Stop it. You have become very tedious. I don't know what point you're trying to prove, but all you're doing at the moment is demonstrating that you're an irritating little person. [[User:Rpeh|Rpeh]] 12:21, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Thank you for your perception. Am I doing anything right? Or would you prefer I just leave? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:24, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :Thank you for your perception. Am I doing anything right? Or would you prefer I just leave? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:24, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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====More about Rpeh==== | ====More about Rpeh==== | ||
I googled "Rpeh" and found this apparent quote, "[RationalWiki] is worse than CP. At least over there you know there's going to be hypocrisy." Does this have anything to do with your reasons for being here today? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:46, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | I googled "Rpeh" and found this apparent quote, "[RationalWiki] is worse than CP. At least over there you know there's going to be hypocrisy." Does this have anything to do with your reasons for being here today? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:46, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:What didn't you like about [[RationalWiki]]? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | :What didn't you like about [[RationalWiki]]? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:20, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:Sorry about that. I knew that picture didn't make sense and I should have listened to my conscience. That having been said... <big><big><big><big>Use your [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Freegan freegan] watchlist! </big></big></big></big> and have a pleasant evening. :-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:11, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | :Sorry about that. I knew that picture didn't make sense and I should have listened to my conscience. That having been said... <big><big><big><big>Use your [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Freegan freegan] watchlist! </big></big></big></big> and have a pleasant evening. :-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 08:11, 5 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
Me and Reph <del>are [[ | Me and Reph <del>are [[User talk:Rpeh|hashing this out in a more appropriate location]]</del>... and the mighty Pi dropped by... if that's its reeeeeal name. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:49, 6 September 2009 (EDT) Well [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Rpeh&oldid=70740 Reph has gone and done the right proper thing for dealing with <del>warty migets</del> trolls]. Learn from him oh students of reason. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:57, 6 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Yes he did the right thing, he ignored you.[[User:203.113.240.49|203.113.240.49]] 18:55, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | :Yes he did the right thing, he ignored you.[[User:203.113.240.49|203.113.240.49]] 18:55, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::He has been slipping up lately and talking to me. It is so fewlish, I know. You should go try to talk him out of it, Mr IP address. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 19:05, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ::He has been slipping up lately and talking to me. It is so fewlish, I know. You should go try to talk him out of it, Mr IP address. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 19:05, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::If you are friends with someone who is shunning a warty midget, your duty is to [[User_talk:Rpeh# Archiving to /dev/null|not bring it up]]. Let it fester in your bowels the way suppressed desires do. Don't give in to communication and consensus building. You will lose all control. ;-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 19:10, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ::If you are friends with someone who is shunning a warty midget, your duty is to [[User_talk:Rpeh# Archiving to /dev/null|not bring it up]]. Let it fester in your bowels the way suppressed desires do. Don't give in to communication and consensus building. You will lose all control. ;-) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 19:10, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
==== Stop it ==== | ====Stop it==== | ||
Stop editing my damn comments. It's none of your business. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 13:24, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | Stop editing my damn comments. It's none of your business. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 13:24, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:You mean the one comment? Is this [[WikiIndex: | :You mean the one comment? Is this [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines|a moral guideline you propose to follow if I do]]? Otherwise I think you need to whine to a sysop and maybe they can talk me into it. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:32, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
====Rpeh's second example of "trolling"==== | |||
Edited quote from [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Rpeh&oldid=70740]: ''I see that Recent Changes is once more full of your edits, including trolling ones like [...] [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Phantom_Hoover&curid=18985&diff=70607&oldid=70423 this]. [...][[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 02:47, 6 September 2009 (EDT) | Edited quote from [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Rpeh&oldid=70740]: ''I see that Recent Changes is once more full of your edits, including trolling ones like [...] [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Phantom_Hoover&curid=18985&diff=70607&oldid=70423 this]. [...][[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 02:47, 6 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Thank you for making me aware of that. [[ | :Thank you for making me aware of that. [[User talk:Phantom_Hoover#So_what_kinda_spam_you_like.3F|I posted an update]] and will be less trusting of user pages, particularly any content on [[Liberapedia]] in the future. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 18:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:My edits in Recent Changes reflect many more than those two examples. You've made a number of comments lately that don't seem all that necessary or helpful. Is this another rule you have for me, that you don't wish to follow yourself? Did you notice what was written below here, by the sysop DavidCary? (I'm not really sure whether Phantom Hoover was seconding his encouragements or not.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 18:47, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | :My edits in Recent Changes reflect many more than those two examples. You've made a number of comments lately that don't seem all that necessary or helpful. Is this another rule you have for me, that you don't wish to follow yourself? Did you notice what was written below here, by the sysop DavidCary? (I'm not really sure whether Phantom Hoover was seconding his encouragements or not.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 18:47, 8 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== wow == | ==wow== | ||
Wow. When I hit RecentChanges, I see that you and I have made nearly all the edits for the last few days. Did you know that some people frown on hogging RecentChanges -- [[Meatball:HijackingRecentChanges]] ? | |||
Wow. When I hit RecentChanges, I see that you and I have made nearly all the edits for the last few days. | |||
Did you know that some people frown on hogging RecentChanges -- [[Meatball:HijackingRecentChanges]] ? | |||
Please continue making excellent, thoughtful, well-written contributions, even when there is a lull from other editors. | Please continue making excellent, thoughtful, well-written contributions, even when there is a lull from other editors. | ||
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::::::::DO YOU THINK THIS IS SOME KIND OF A JOKE?!?!?!? Nooo no nnnoo Nxx ! You cannot see the Lumenosity because Gosh has hidden it from you. But what you might possibly be able to see. If Neo can release the chains The Man has placed within your mind. You might, you just might catch a glimps of the [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Lumentialism Lumentialism]! [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:54, 7 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::::::DO YOU THINK THIS IS SOME KIND OF A JOKE?!?!?!? Nooo no nnnoo Nxx ! You cannot see the Lumenosity because Gosh has hidden it from you. But what you might possibly be able to see. If Neo can release the chains The Man has placed within your mind. You might, you just might catch a glimps of the [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/Lumentialism Lumentialism]! [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:54, 7 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== removing talk page comments == | ==removing talk page comments== | ||
Please do not remove talk page comments as you did [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:RationalWiki&curid=14774&diff=71123&oldid=71121 here]. I'm going to assume it was because of incompetence, and not malice. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 04:13, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | Please do not remove talk page comments as you did [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:RationalWiki&curid=14774&diff=71123&oldid=71121 here]. I'm going to assume it was because of incompetence, and not malice. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 04:13, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Learn to use show preview and show changes please. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 04:15, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | :Learn to use show preview and show changes please. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 04:15, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::::::I suppose it possible that you believe these bizarre rationalizations. Those wikis have the same subject matter. I've got quite a lot of work to do to fix the latest mess we have made on the talk page. If you'll excuse me. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:31, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::::I suppose it possible that you believe these bizarre rationalizations. Those wikis have the same subject matter. I've got quite a lot of work to do to fix the latest mess we have made on the talk page. If you'll excuse me. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:31, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::::If they have the same subject matter, then they should be in the same category. That said, RationalWiki does not have one single subject matter - Conservapedia is still an important subject, and as far as I know, that is not the subject of those other wikis. [[User:Nx|Nx]] | :::::::If they have the same subject matter, then they should be in the same category. That said, RationalWiki does not have one single subject matter - Conservapedia is still an important subject, and as far as I know, that is not the subject of those other wikis. [[User:Nx|Nx]] | ||
::::::::I now think I should have been replying to this stuff instead of edit warring with Nx. We discussed this also [[Talk:RationalWiki# | ::::::::I now think I should have been replying to this stuff instead of edit warring with Nx. We discussed this also [[Talk:RationalWiki#Related wikis discussion|here]], and after that [[User talk:Nx#You can trust_Nx...|Nx gave up]] and chose instead to [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#Enforcement against editors|label me]] and poop on WikiIndex :-(. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 14:16, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
Also please learn what archives are for. If someone wants to continue a discussion there (I doubt it), they can bring it up on the talk page again and link to the previous discussion in the archive. Having two places to discuss things is NOT a good idea. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 05:32, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | Also please learn what archives are for. If someone wants to continue a discussion there (I doubt it), they can bring it up on the talk page again and link to the previous discussion in the archive. Having two places to discuss things is NOT a good idea. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 05:32, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Fine. <Psst> (but it is on my watchlist if anybody wants to edit it). It would be different if you could make it read-only. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:35, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | :Fine. <Psst> (but it is on my watchlist if anybody wants to edit it). It would be different if you could make it read-only. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:35, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== Nx do you not want people to know what you are doing here? == | ==Nx do you not want people to know what you are doing here?== | ||
For example [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Nx&diff=71182&oldid=71180 this]. Someone could, for example, tell us something about you. Then there wouldn't be a [[red link]] there. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:51, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
For example [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Nx&diff=71182&oldid=71180 this]. Someone could, for example, tell us something about you. Then there wouldn't be a red link there. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:51, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
:I'm trying to improve this wiki, though it seems to be a lost cause. As for an article about me, no. And don't try to cyberstalk me. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 05:55, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | :I'm trying to improve this wiki, though it seems to be a lost cause. As for an article about me, no. And don't try to cyberstalk me. [[User:Nx|Nx]] 05:55, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::You are the source of much of the information in these wikis. You are posting your favored wikis in the [[Lumeniki]] article. I'm for sourcing these kinds of things. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:11, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ::You are the source of much of the information in these wikis. You are posting your favored wikis in the [[Lumeniki]] article. I'm for sourcing these kinds of things. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:11, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::::I don't see that it really matters much other than it helps people stalk you. But I'm doing it the "correct" way now. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:08, 11 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::I don't see that it really matters much other than it helps people stalk you. But I'm doing it the "correct" way now. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:08, 11 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
Let's try this first, [[ | Let's try this first, [[User talk:Nx|a link to Nx's talk page]]. Can I do this, Boss? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 05:57, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:No. why would an article in mainspace redirect to my talk page? [[User:Nx|Nx]] 06:00, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | :No. why would an article in mainspace redirect to my talk page? [[User:Nx|Nx]] 06:00, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::Many of the bureaucrats have their pages set up this way. You may have more influence over this wiki than they do. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:06, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ::Many of the bureaucrats have their pages set up this way. You may have more influence over this wiki than they do. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:06, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::And that is a bad idea, because it makes finding several toolbox links more difficult. Also what influence? [[User:Nx|Nx]] 06:13, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | :::And that is a bad idea, because it makes finding several toolbox links more difficult. Also what influence? [[User:Nx|Nx]] 06:13, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::Yeah I got it, Boss. You want people to know about that toolbox and have easier access to your edits here. I thought that might be less commonly known than how to plug a user name into a search engine. But I don't know your definition of "cyberstalking", so I'm not sure I can promise not to do that. I can understand that you probably wouldn't be able to tell us, [[WikiIndex: | ::::Yeah I got it, Boss. You want people to know about that toolbox and have easier access to your edits here. I thought that might be less commonly known than how to plug a user name into a search engine. But I don't know your definition of "cyberstalking", so I'm not sure I can promise not to do that. I can understand that you probably wouldn't be able to tell us, [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#Legitimate acquisition of biographical info about .22adults.22|like Phantom Hoover did]], because then we might know how to find the information you don't want us to find. Or maybe you have nothing to hide and it is just more the principle of preventing cyberstalking, that you wish to uphold. Some of your "correct" ways, just don't seem to have any rhyme or reason, to me. Perhaps now you can see why? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:34, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::Note first off that it wouldn't take much to have more of an influence than most of the bureaucrats. So perhaps I'm guilty of a little more snarkiness on that point. (Maybe this is incorrect, if they have helped develop Dilley's ideas, or if they are still somewhat active, behind the scenes.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:51, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::Note first off that it wouldn't take much to have more of an influence than most of the bureaucrats. So perhaps I'm guilty of a little more snarkiness on that point. (Maybe this is incorrect, if they have helped develop Dilley's ideas, or if they are still somewhat active, behind the scenes.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:51, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::We've spent a great deal of time "debating" and "edit sparring". So, for example, if you say I am a "concern troll", your associates may be inclined to believe you. I think this could influence policies that are eventually developed here. With your activity level and your experience, you may help write unwritten "policies" or "conventions", just as you intend to. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:51, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::We've spent a great deal of time "debating" and "edit sparring". So, for example, if you say I am a "concern troll", your associates may be inclined to believe you. I think this could influence policies that are eventually developed here. With your activity level and your experience, you may help write unwritten "policies" or "conventions", just as you intend to. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:51, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::::I wanted to source the damn comments on the Lumeniki page is all. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:03, 11 September 2009 (EDT) I'm not all that concerned what is on your user page, just so long as there is a source for these "comments". [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:03, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::I wanted to source the damn comments on the Lumeniki page is all. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:03, 11 September 2009 (EDT) I'm not all that concerned what is on your user page, just so long as there is a source for these "comments". [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:03, 12 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== Edit conflicts == | ==Edit conflicts== | ||
# (diff) (hist) . . User talk:Lumenos; 10:11 . . (+224) . . Lumenos (Talk | contribs) (→Nx do you not want people to know what you are doing here?) | # (diff) (hist) . . User talk:Lumenos; 10:11 . . (+224) . . Lumenos (Talk | contribs) (→Nx do you not want people to know what you are doing here?) | ||
# (diff) (hist) . . User talk:Lumenos; 10:09 . . (+238) . . Lumenos (Talk | contribs) (→Nx do you not want people to know what you are doing here?) | # (diff) (hist) . . User talk:Lumenos; 10:09 . . (+238) . . Lumenos (Talk | contribs) (→Nx do you not want people to know what you are doing here?) | ||
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::But I'm tired. I hate to let you sneakily insert your opinions and censorship everywhere, but I believe I started loosing my mind the last time we were edit sparring. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:17, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ::But I'm tired. I hate to let you sneakily insert your opinions and censorship everywhere, but I believe I started loosing my mind the last time we were edit sparring. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 06:17, 10 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== Please slow down == | ==Please slow down== | ||
Hello, I realize you are attempting to formulate policies here, and it doesn't help that you are a prolific writer - please slow down your edits. Perhaps keeping your ideas on a scratch page till developed, [[User:Lumenos/Sandbox]]? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | Hello, I realize you are attempting to formulate policies here, and it doesn't help that you are a prolific writer - please slow down your edits. Perhaps keeping your ideas on a scratch page till developed, [[User:Lumenos/Sandbox]]? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
== Atomica == | ==Atomica== | ||
Getting a high score on an online game does not make you a genius. It makes you a Bored Teenager. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 07:08, 19 September 2009 (EDT) | Getting a high score on an online game does not make you a genius. It makes you a Bored Teenager. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 07:08, 19 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
== Please don't give in to provocations == | ==Please don't give in to provocations== | ||
Hi. I don't know how to put it, but a certain other WikiIndex user seems to be hunting down your edits. That goes against the newly established official policy, so you can guess who I'd rather side with; but your frequent and massive edits are more than a little annoying, so I can understand why he may be upset. Try slowing down a little, and I'll try to make peace between the two of you. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 11:17, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | Hi. I don't know how to put it, but a certain other WikiIndex user seems to be hunting down your edits. That goes against the newly established official policy, so you can guess who I'd rather side with; but your frequent and massive edits are more than a little annoying, so I can understand why he may be upset. Try slowing down a little, and I'll try to make peace between the two of you. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 11:17, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:I thought you said you had put a proposal on the policy page I made (on [[ | :I thought you said you had put a proposal on the policy page I made (on [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Irrelevant content|the talk page]]). (If that is only a proposal, I guess we should label it as such.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:52, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Which is the newly established policy you are referring to now? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:52, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | :Which is the newly established policy you are referring to now? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:52, 24 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:: Uh... the one right on top of [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]]? The one we have already discussed... repeatedly? I thought you had agreed to it in the end. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 12:16, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | :: Uh... the one right on top of [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]]? The one we have already discussed... repeatedly? I thought you had agreed to it in the end. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 12:16, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::::If I am welcome to help develop policy, what I would do is make a number of proposals and send out requests to administrators and active editors, to vote on these, alter them, or write different ones. Any that have some administrative support I would move out to policy pages with the names of those editors and admins, who support them. These would still be debatable and alterable, but this would be just to get an idea of how things are being run currently. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:36, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::If I am welcome to help develop policy, what I would do is make a number of proposals and send out requests to administrators and active editors, to vote on these, alter them, or write different ones. Any that have some administrative support I would move out to policy pages with the names of those editors and admins, who support them. These would still be debatable and alterable, but this would be just to get an idea of how things are being run currently. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:36, 25 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::If you think that helps... The Policies and Guidelines page is a bit confusing right now. But again, why do we suddenly need these regulations? Wikiindex has functioned quite well without them for years. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::If you think that helps... The Policies and Guidelines page is a bit confusing right now. But again, why do we suddenly need these regulations? Wikiindex has functioned quite well without them for years. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::Til I came, right? Soon after I arrived (to make an article on [[Lumeniki]]) there was a conflict between an admin and the RationalWikian bureaucrats. The conflict was mostly over Proxima undeleting my edits then "blocking" them or something. Both sides seemed a bit hostile to me but Proxima had no block policy to go by. There are just these "policies" that say "don't delete stuff". There are no instructions (for editors or admins) for what to do when editors delete stuff. In the beginning, both sides expressed appreciation for my "intervention". Hoovie gave me a hug (I've been teasing him mercilessly ever since ;-)) and you can see Proxima's comment at the top of this page. DavidCary also expressed some support when other RationalWikians ([[ | ::::::Til I came, right? Soon after I arrived (to make an article on [[Lumeniki]]) there was a conflict between an admin and the RationalWikian bureaucrats. The conflict was mostly over Proxima undeleting my edits then "blocking" them or something. Both sides seemed a bit hostile to me but Proxima had no block policy to go by. There are just these "policies" that say "don't delete stuff". There are no instructions (for editors or admins) for what to do when editors delete stuff. In the beginning, both sides expressed appreciation for my "intervention". Hoovie gave me a hug (I've been teasing him mercilessly ever since ;-)) and you can see Proxima's comment at the top of this page. DavidCary also expressed some support when other RationalWikians ([[User talk:Lumenos#Rpeh|Rpeh]], Huw Powel, etc) were making insults and demands. If you look at Dilley's talk page (do a CTRL + F on "Conservapedia"), or the RationalWiki talk page, you see there were conflicts before I was around. Tell me, what led ''you'' to say that you wished you could delete the RationalWiki article? I hope you wouldn't want to do that due to the actions of one editor (me). How would you know that was not all a part of my little plan? ;-) In my view, the content of articles should not be decided based on "favoritism", "punishments", or capitulation. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 22:16, 3 October 2009 (EDT) | ||