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{{for|earlier upgrading discussions from 2006|WikiIndex: | {{for|earlier upgrading discussions from 2006|WikiIndex:2006 upgrade discussion}} | ||
{{for|discussions from 2011|WikiIndex:Spring 2011 Upgrade Path}} | {{for|discussions from 2011|WikiIndex:Spring 2011 Upgrade Path}} | ||
'''WikiIndex: | '''WikiIndex:2013-2014 bugs and upgrades''' — this page is to be used for raising suggestions and discussing strategies for upgrading our [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software used by {{tag|WikiIndex}}. It can typically include any of the published, and stable, [[mw:Manual:Extensions|MediaWiki Extensions]]; or any other applicable and workable strategies. Please add any suggestions or offerings in any of the subheadings below (or create a new subheading), and discuss. | ||
== requesting account == | ==requesting account== | ||
There is a huge bug with trying to get an account here at WikiIndex currently. [[:File:AccountCreationPath.png]] and [[:File:AccountCreationPath2.png]] are screen shots of the account creation path, but there seems to be no completion screen or email. I worked through it after being alerted by [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | There is a huge bug with trying to get an account here at [[WikiIndex]] currently. [[:File:AccountCreationPath.png]] and [[:File:AccountCreationPath2.png]] are screen shots of the account creation path, but there seems to be no completion screen or email. I worked through it after being alerted by [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:: Maybe it is difficult to really solve the problem completely. If possible one should disconnect this case from the email problem and treat them separately. That no mails being sent, is a known fact. So, no wonder that the procedure hangs somewhere. At least it makes it impossible for new users to see where the problem is. So, first thing would be to explain the existence of the bug to the new user. Then he/she/it can turn to an admin and ask for fixing his case at least.--[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:33, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | :: Maybe it is difficult to really solve the problem completely. If possible one should disconnect this case from the email problem and treat them separately. That no mails being sent, is a known fact. So, no wonder that the procedure hangs somewhere. At least it makes it impossible for new users to see where the problem is. So, first thing would be to explain the existence of the bug to the new user. Then he/she/it can turn to an admin and ask for fixing his case at least.--[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:33, 30 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
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::: Don't know what check user is and I am not altogether sure I want to be able and see into people's accounts. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ::: Don't know what check user is and I am not altogether sure I want to be able and see into people's accounts. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
Fresh start of the email-specific here: | Fresh start of the email-specific here: [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Getting the email function to work for all]]. | ||
==Maps == | ==Maps== | ||
Let's see about Maps... [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 05:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | Let's see about Maps... [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 05:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
=older thoughts needed to be integrated above= | =older thoughts needed to be integrated above= | ||
==Semantic extensions version== | |||
== Semantic extensions version == | |||
; Especially for Semantic Forms and Semantic MediaWiki | ; Especially for Semantic Forms and Semantic MediaWiki | ||
Possible fixed bug: [[Form:Wiki/sandbox]] textarea only preload when previewing. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC) | Possible fixed bug: [[Form:Wiki/sandbox]] textarea only preload when previewing. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 10:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
== LinkSpam / WikiSpam / Vandalism == | ==LinkSpam / WikiSpam / Vandalism== | ||
; Need - | ; Need - | ||
# [[mw:Extension:NoBogusUserpages]] — ''Pro:'' - would obviate the need to police User: (IP address) pages since they cannot be created by anyone except the legitimate user of the IP - ''Con'' - would not stop spammer from posting spam on the User IP page if that is their actual IP. | # [[mw:Extension:NoBogusUserpages]] — ''Pro:'' - would obviate the need to police User: (IP address) pages since they cannot be created by anyone except the legitimate user of the IP - ''Con'' - would not stop spammer from posting spam on the User IP page if that is their actual IP. | ||
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## {{Strong oppose}} I do not think think it's a good idea. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC) | ## {{Strong oppose}} I do not think think it's a good idea. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 04:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
### Why [[YiFei]]? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ### Why [[YiFei]]? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
#### We have some user pages in the main namespace, which this extension won't help. | #### We have some user pages in the main namespace, which this extension won't help. | ||
#### Also, I haven't seen ''they create a (bogus) User: page and a main namespace with the same title, i.e. <code>User:FooBar123</code> and <code>FooBar123</code>''. | #### Also, I haven't seen ''they create a (bogus) User: page and a main namespace with the same title, i.e. <code>User:FooBar123</code> and <code>FooBar123</code>''. | ||
##### I have seen it on wiki, but not so much here. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ##### I have seen it on wiki, but not so much here. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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#### It's bad when we look at [[Special:ListUsers]] -- full of spam accounts. But [[Wikipedia]] doesn't use it though [[wp:Special:ListUsers]] is also full of spam accounts. In addition, [[LifeWiki]] and [[WikiApiary]] use it. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC) | #### It's bad when we look at [[Special:ListUsers]] -- full of spam accounts. But [[Wikipedia]] doesn't use it though [[wp:Special:ListUsers]] is also full of spam accounts. In addition, [[LifeWiki]] and [[WikiApiary]] use it. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
##### I would love to clean up this, but I wonder if there is another way to do it than one at a time... not sure, ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ##### I would love to clean up this, but I wonder if there is another way to do it than one at a time... not sure, ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
#####: Might need a bot. But pywikipedia don't seem to have a library for [[mw:Extension:User Merge and Delete]], so if we have to do that, | #####: Might need a bot. But pywikipedia don't seem to have a library for [[mw:Extension:User Merge and Delete]], so if we have to do that, | ||
#####:# Manually delete, or | #####:# Manually delete, or | ||
#####:# Make a bot library | #####:# Make a bot library | ||
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### It is compatible with SMW. + from me --[[User:Kghbln|[[kgh]]]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:28, 3 May 2013 (PDT) | ### It is compatible with SMW. + from me --[[User:Kghbln|[[kgh]]]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:28, 3 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
## {{Strong support}} --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC) | ## {{Strong support}} --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 08:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
# [[mw:Extension:Maps]] — ''Pro:'' this would be really good for our City-Wiki entries, uses maps from more than one source (Google, Yahoo, OpenStreetMaps, etc) | # [[mw:Extension:Maps]] — ''Pro:'' this would be really good for our City-Wiki entries, uses maps from more than one source (Google, Yahoo, OpenStreetMaps, etc) | ||
##+ from me --[[User:Kghbln|[[kgh]]]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:28, 3 May 2013 (PDT) | ##+ from me --[[User:Kghbln|[[kgh]]]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:28, 3 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
#:'''Done'''. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 05:49, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | #:'''Done'''. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 05:49, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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#:'''Done'''. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 23:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC) | #:'''Done'''. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 23:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC) | ||
== Bugs == | ==Bugs== | ||
Some bugs might be fixed by the update. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC) | Some bugs might be fixed by the update. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 11:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
; Need - | ; Need - | ||
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# Atom feed (on Android devices) - seems to lag a few 'edits' behind current desktop version. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:49, 20 March 2013 (PDT) | # Atom feed (on Android devices) - seems to lag a few 'edits' behind current desktop version. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 03:49, 20 March 2013 (PDT) | ||
== adding subdomain == | ==adding subdomain== | ||
[[Brahfous]] is wanting a subdomain for right to left writing... (need to link to conversation) ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | [[Brahfous]] is wanting a subdomain for right to left writing... (need to link to conversation) ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
== On the back-burner == | ==On the back-burner== | ||
This sub-section can be used making suggestions for beta extensions, ie, those we might like to add at a later date once they've evolved into a stable extension | This sub-section can be used making suggestions for beta extensions, ie, those we might like to add at a later date once they've evolved into a stable extension | ||
# <s>[[mw:Extension:MassEditRegex]]</s> — ''Pro:'' can be used by Sysops for 'bot'-like edits, without the need for creating bot scripts - ''Con:'' still in beta phase | # <s>[[mw:Extension:MassEditRegex]]</s> — ''Pro:'' can be used by Sysops for 'bot'-like edits, without the need for creating bot scripts - ''Con:'' still in beta phase | ||
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#** WikiApiary is focused on MediaWiki and it's technical aspects. WikiIndex is focused on wiki communities. I do not think that is too similar. However, a WikiIndex banner would be nice to have, too. --[[User:Kghbln|[[kgh]]]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2013 (PDT) | #** WikiApiary is focused on MediaWiki and it's technical aspects. WikiIndex is focused on wiki communities. I do not think that is too similar. However, a WikiIndex banner would be nice to have, too. --[[User:Kghbln|[[kgh]]]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2013 (PDT) | ||
== Technology via the community == | ==Technology via the community== | ||
This isn't the right section title, but what I am trying to get across is - what technology does the community | This isn't the right section title, but what I am trying to get across is - what technology does the community | ||
# need to have access to, to make WikiIndex even better. | # need to have access to, to make WikiIndex even better. | ||
# who here understands how to do the backend work needed? | # who here understands how to do the backend work needed? | ||
:# [[Jack Phoenix]] | :# [[Jack Phoenix]] | ||
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:# [[YiFei]] | :# [[YiFei]] | ||
:# [[Kghbln]] | :# [[Kghbln]] | ||
==Cite extension== | ==Cite extension== | ||
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:Is there an example of use here on WikiIndex? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC) | :Is there an example of use here on WikiIndex? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 13:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
::A few pages at [[Special:LongPages]] have a lot of inline citations, e.g. [[Let.sysops.be]]. There aren't a lot of examples, perhaps because people aren't going to do a lot of citations without Cite. The lack of it makes it so that you have to put them inline, which disrupts the flow of the article, or just put a barelink, which can rot and doesn't give a lot of information (e.g. author, date, etc.). Also, it makes it so that people can't port content about wikis to and from WikiIndex without converting the references. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 14:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC) | ::A few pages at [[Special:LongPages]] have a lot of inline citations, e.g. [[Let.sysops.be]]. There aren't a lot of examples, perhaps because people aren't going to do a lot of citations without Cite. The lack of it makes it so that you have to put them inline, which disrupts the flow of the article, or just put a barelink, which can rot and doesn't give a lot of information (e.g. author, date, etc.). Also, it makes it so that people can't port content about wikis to and from WikiIndex without converting the references. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 14:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::Hmm @[[Mark]]: Why it wasn't installed in [[WikiIndex: | :::Hmm @[[Mark]]: Why it wasn't installed in [[WikiIndex:Spring 2011 Upgrade Path]]? --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 14:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
Another advantage to using Cite rather than inline URLs is that it would look nicer when the pages are printed. Then we could [[mw:Manual:FAQ# | Another advantage to using Cite rather than inline URLs is that it would look nicer when the pages are printed. Then we could [[mw:Manual:FAQ#How do I disable external links from showing in the printable version of a page.3F|disable external links from showing in the printable version of a page]]. [[Template:Wiki]] in particular tends not to print well; the lengthy URLs often cause the text to intrude into the wiki logo. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 09:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
[[YiFei]] I imagine there weren't enough folks that wanted it back then. [[Upgrades]] page? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | [[YiFei]] I imagine there weren't enough folks that wanted it back then. [[Upgrades]] page? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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: Don't own it Nathan, check out a little of [[WikiIndex:History]] and the history of the [[Upgrades]] page for a view into the struggles around the technical issues. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : Don't own it Nathan, check out a little of [[WikiIndex:History]] and the history of the [[Upgrades]] page for a view into the struggles around the technical issues. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
== why https? == | ==why https?== | ||
(import from news page) | (import from news page) | ||
https://WikiIndex.org fails for me, is this a browser issue or a configuration issue with the website? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | https://WikiIndex.org fails for me, is this a browser issue or a configuration issue with the website? ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:'''Failing''' I also have a failure to connect. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC) | :'''Failing''' I also have a failure to connect. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC) | ||
::Why the need for a secure https configuration? And you can't just put https infront of a standard url, | ::Why the need for a secure https configuration? And you can't just put https infront of a standard url, and expect it to load, without correctly configuring the server to accept https page access. --[[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:33, 5 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
::: That's right. As well could You rename a picture.bmp into a picture-jpeg and expect it to become compressed ;-) | ::: That's right. As well could You rename a picture.bmp into a picture-jpeg and expect it to become compressed ;-) | ||
::: But back to the original question: It seams not to be important to have secure connection, because the content of a Wiki that is even IP-edited would not be in anyway private, rather the opposite, very, very public ;-) But for those who log on, they have to send a password which is unprotected and could be read out during login. And than look at admins whose passwords would be read out and anybody could mess around as they please.... --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC) | ::: But back to the original question: It seams not to be important to have secure connection, because the content of a Wiki that is even [[IP editor|IP-edited]] would not be in anyway private, rather the opposite, very, very public ;-) But for those who log on, they have to send a password which is unprotected and could be read out during login. And than look at admins whose passwords would be read out and anybody could mess around as they please.... --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::: Thanks for the responses, at minimum, can it be redirected if anyone happens upon it? I would rather it didn't just fail. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | :::: Thanks for the responses, at minimum, can it be redirected if anyone happens upon it? I would rather it didn't just fail. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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:: I did not mean to say that there is no need for a secure connection on a Wiki. I mean, "it looks like" there would be no need. But actually there is a need, because many people do logins. And every login procedure wherever should be secured. German end English Wikipedia connect via https by default. Wherever there is a SPAM or vandalism risk, there You need to have security as well to counteract it. Here and there I was reading about SPAMers, imposters and the like also here on WikiIndex. You need to have secure login at least for admins. And when the capability is installed, there is no reason whatsoever not to make it available for all. --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | :: I did not mean to say that there is no need for a secure connection on a Wiki. I mean, "it looks like" there would be no need. But actually there is a need, because many people do logins. And every login procedure wherever should be secured. German end English Wikipedia connect via https by default. Wherever there is a SPAM or vandalism risk, there You need to have security as well to counteract it. Here and there I was reading about SPAMers, imposters and the like also here on WikiIndex. You need to have secure login at least for admins. And when the capability is installed, there is no reason whatsoever not to make it available for all. --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::'''Agreed''' If you login, make it secure. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | :::'''Agreed''' If you login, make it secure. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
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