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: Why do you need sysop rights [ | ==Request for promotion from [[User:Erwin|Erwin]]== | ||
::For helping with spam, | Hi! I request [[admin]]ship and cratship, but if is not good, only sysop...[[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 08:59, 29 March 2010 (EDT) | ||
:::Erwin no. You are asking bureaucrat rights everywhere. It's not a toy! [[User:CartoonistHenning|CartoonistHenning]] 12:46, 29 March 2010 (EDT) | :Why do you need [[sysop]] rights – [[Special:Contributions/Erwin|after about 22 edits]]? --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 11:09, 29 March 2010 (EDT) | ||
::For helping with [[spam]], [[vandal]]ism, deleting page with nonsens etc. [[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 11:11, 29 March 2010 (EDT) | |||
:::Erwin no. You are asking [[bureaucrat]] rights everywhere. It's not a toy! [[User:CartoonistHenning|CartoonistHenning]] 12:46, 29 March 2010 (EDT) | |||
::::I see. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 14:01, 30 March 2010 (EDT) | ::::I see. --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 14:01, 30 March 2010 (EDT) | ||
:::::I'm not crazy, I know it... \\[[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 14:12, 30 March 2010 (EDT) | :::::I'm not crazy, I know it... \\[[User:Erwin|Erwin]] 14:12, 30 March 2010 (EDT) | ||
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:::::::Well, it looks like he didn't like to be told to wait, threw his toys out of his crib, and hasn't been seen again - [[Special:Contributions/Erwin]]!!! Patience is a virtue . . . [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:01, 8 September 2012 (PDT) | :::::::Well, it looks like he didn't like to be told to wait, threw his toys out of his crib, and hasn't been seen again - [[Special:Contributions/Erwin]]!!! Patience is a virtue . . . [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:01, 8 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
== Disadvantages to giving Bureaucrat status to all | ==Disadvantages to giving [[Bureaucrat]] status to all [[sysop]]s?== | ||
Would like to know what folks think they are. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | Would like to know what folks think they are. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
: Hi Mark, keep in mind, that | : Hi Mark, keep in mind, that [[bureaucrat]]s cannot only grant, but also revoke rights. The most important trait of a bureaucrat is their ability to act in a circumspectly and peaceful (I hope I made understandable English here). After all, I think a few more bureaucrats would be good. Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:58, 31 January 2012 (PST) | ||
:: Another reason why not to give bureaucrat status at the same time as sysop - existing 'crats need to be satisfied that a new sysop conducts their new duties in an appropriate manner - learn to walk before you can run and all that! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:01, 8 September 2012 (PDT) | :: Another reason why not to give bureaucrat status at the same time as sysop - existing 'crats need to be satisfied that a new [[sysop]] conducts their new duties in an appropriate manner - learn to walk before you can run and all that! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 10:01, 8 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
::: Bureaucrat rights are a dangerous thing to abuse, and as such it would not be the best course of action to entrust all sysops with bureaucrat access. That being said, our [ | ::: Bureaucrat rights are a dangerous thing to abuse, and as such it would not be the best course of action to entrust all sysops with bureaucrat access. That being said, our [[Special:ListUsers/bureaucrat|current list of crats]] shows 1-2 active users, 5 inactive users, and the web host. Another bureaucrat or two would not be a bad idea, as long as security is held in high importance. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''' 8 September 2012 | ||
:::: Wolf and Mark are the two active crats (if I assessed that correctly). I suppose it also depends on weather the site owner wishes to be more 'hands off' or not, or wishes to include all of the 'admin team' with equal rights and | :::: Wolf and Mark are the two active crats (if I assessed that correctly). I suppose it also depends on weather the site [[owner]] wishes to be more 'hands off' or not, or wishes to include all of the 'admin team' with equal rights and responsibilities. All that being said, I would nominate Tera - she is incredibly trustworthy and level-headed, and would have no doubt she would keep WI on an even keel. I suppose it would be handy if we knew the reason why Mark asked the question in the first instance!! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 13:46, 8 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
What are the abuses a bureaucrat could do? On another [[UniversalEditButton|wiki]] - I gave all known [[WikiPeople]] bureaucrat status. I grew up on flat wikis, so don't know much about the MediaWiki step system...well a little :-) Also, this is a community wiki. [[John]], [[Ray]] and I co-founded it. Many others have done amazing work here. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | What are the abuses a bureaucrat could do? On another [[UniversalEditButton|wiki]] - I gave all known [[User|WikiPeople]] bureaucrat status. I grew up on flat wikis, so don't know much about the [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] step system...well a little :-) Also, this is a community wiki. [[John]], [[Ray]] and I co-founded it. Many others have done amazing work here. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:The worst thing that could happen is a bureaucrat could merge and delete user | :The worst thing that could happen is a [[bureaucrat]] could [[mw:Extension:UserMerge|merge and delete]] [[user account]]s, but I checked [[Special:Version]] and we clearly do not have that unnecessary extension installed, so that worry is for naught. Once we install the [[mw:Extension:Renameuser|UserRename extension]] sooner or later, bureaucratship will be required to rename users. Bureaucrats can revoke bureaucratship as well, but that should probably not be a problem with our stable community. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''' 8 September 2012 | ||
::Ummm... Thank you for the confidence in me HH... I know that I have messed up here and there, but I hope that overall what I have done has been for the best of the community at large... I haven't been as active in the day-to-day management of WI, mostly for the speed of other Admins in getting to the spam here, but I do check on the site regularly, sometimes 10 or 20 times a day, and I have to admit that I look at every edit just in case... I do think that I need to question things a bit more, I have made some mistakes in reversing an edit a couple of times that I should have looked further into... Anyway... Thank you again for thinking of me... should Mark or the rest of the Admins want to give me that status, I will do my best for WI... [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 14:50, 8 September 2012 (PDT) | ::Ummm... Thank you for the confidence in me HH... I know that I have messed up here and there, but I hope that overall what I have done has been for the best of the community at large... I haven't been as active in the day-to-day management of WI, mostly for the speed of other Admins in getting to the spam here, but I do check on the site regularly, sometimes 10 or 20 times a day, and I have to admit that I look at every edit just in case... I do think that I need to question things a bit more, I have made some mistakes in reversing an edit a couple of times that I should have looked further into... Anyway... Thank you again for thinking of me... should Mark or the rest of the Admins want to give me that status, I will do my best for WI... [[User:TeraS|TeraS]] ([[User talk:TeraS|talk]]) 14:50, 8 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
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:::Mark, whoever or whatever you decide, I personally would support increasing the number of crats here on WikiIndex. Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:53, 27 September 2012 (PDT) | :::Mark, whoever or whatever you decide, I personally would support increasing the number of crats here on WikiIndex. Best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 02:53, 27 September 2012 (PDT) | ||
== False statements == | ==False statements== | ||
[[Bureaucrat]]s are not the highest level, and they do not have the same abilities as higher groups. The "[[Special:ListUsers/staff|staff]]" group is above bureaucrats and can do more than crats can. Also, crats do not have the '[[user rights]]' permission, so saying that they can [[Special:UserRights|edit user rights]] in general is inaccurate. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 14:18, 2 February 2017 (PST) | |||