User talk:This is not the solution: Difference between revisions

:I will. [[User:Nx]] was [[WikiIndex:Blocking and banning policy|blocked]] for removing [[spam]]my links to [[Liberapedia]] and various inaccuracies and repititions on the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article; Proxima also protected the article to keep her version up. Nx emailed the people in charge and tried to get [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima]] stripped of her rights, but when there was no response, someone started mass [[vandal]]ism to try and attract some attention. [[Special:Contributions/92.233.174.117|92.233.174.117]] 06:22, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

I gave a link to [[Liberapedia]] as that wiki also has material critical of [[Conservapedia]] and I know many readers of the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article will like that type of information.  They called that [[spam]], well I've now added another link [http://cpmonitor.wordpress.com/ Digging the Dirt on the Lunacy that is Conservapedia] with better material about problems with Conservapedia.  I only found out about that second website this morning and when I was under pressure I didn't think to add it.  I hope the links are less spammy and more acceptable. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 07:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

::Several [[user]]s or several [[sockpuppet]]s of the same user first insisted on getting the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article their way if they could, then when I protected that article they started general [[vandal]]ism.  I hope I've cleared it all up. As far as I know they're all [[WikiIndex:Blocking and banning policy|blocked]] but the user or users are experts at ban evasion and range blocks may be needed if it restarts. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:19, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

:First, I apologize for the [[vandal]]ism. I will clean up everything on my own. The issue is that Proxima Centauri is abusing her powers and reverting and protecting any edits to [[RationalWiki (en)]], [[Liberapedia]] and other articles. She claims that removing content is a blockable offense. If you look at her edits at RationalWiki, you'll see that's an absurd claim, for example, look at [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=69045&oldid=69043 this], which contains two wrong dates, unnecessary quoting of the linked blog post and comment (I've summarised the content instead, and linked to the post), and her speculation about when the site would come back and a sentence before that does state when the site will come back. Only getting the right date there was a struggle. But her main problem seems to be that I and others have removed a paragraph advertising Liberapedia.  Then there's [[Liberapedia]], which is her own wiki. I tried to improve her writing, but she reverted me without explanation and locked the article for a month. [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Liberapedia&diff=69117&oldid=69073]. [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]] also contains a previous incident during which she abused her powers on [[RationalWiki (en)]] to pursue a personal grudge. [[Special:Contributions/65.60.37.195|65.60.37.195]] 06:26, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

She may have done a lot of work, but that doesn't excuse her behavior. She failed to assume good faith when Phantom Hoover removed the offending paragraph in [[RationalWiki (en)]], then she [[WikiIndex:Blocking and banning policy|blocked]] me without warning with the justification that since I've edited Phantom Hoover's talk page, I should know that removing content is a blockable offense. She did not justify any of her reversions. It seems she didn't even read the edits she reverted, because she then asked a question that she would know the answer to had she read the edit. [[Special:Contributions/Please unblock Nx and his IP, thank you|Please unblock Nx and his IP, thank you]] 06:39, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

I appreciate everyone talking a step back.  One of the things I love about [[Wiki]] is that anyone can edit anything, and when there is a [[diff]] - we try to work through it.  I am aware, peripherally, that there are disputes between people and perhaps communities.  These include [[RationalWiki (en)]], [[Liberapedia]] and [[Conservapedia]].  What I am interested in having done on [[WikiIndex]] - is to move everything to the talk page for those three [[wiki]] - and act as the moderator (other uninvolved [[Sysop|administrators]] could also be in this role).  This is only a suggestion to get us through.  Please let me know if you think this is an acceptable solution for you.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]

:Another possibility is that the people from [[RationalWiki (en)]], [[Liberapedia]] and [[Conservapedia]] spawn another wiki/blog/forum specifically for their 'discussion'. Having followed recent events I must say I an confused by it all this 'static' spewing out,  so I imagine that for someone new who comes to wikiIndex as a wiki listing wikis, the recent events should seem '''highly''' irrelevant and far from germane to the wikiIndex project. If wikiIndex plays host to such squabbles, there is a real risk that allowing such discussions will set a precedent that will degrade the quality of this valuable site. Let us remember the message at the foot of the edit box:  

People connected with [[RationalWiki (en)]] have been revealing information about me for no reason except to punish me. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:32, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

:[[User:Nx|Nx]] and I are both '''[[bureaucrat]]s''' at [[RationalWiki (en)]]; while that isn't as significant as on other wikis, it still implies a fair degree of respect in the community. That's not exactly your archetypical troll. Moreover, you knew that we aren't trolls. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 15:02, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

::::::She blocked [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Proxima+Centauri&page=User%3ANx Nx] for changing the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article to remove advertisements for [[Liberapedia]], two conflicting incorrect dates and various erroneous statements, like the thing about the backups. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 04:13, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

::Write a "notability" criteria [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#Notability|here]] for linking to similar wikis. Now or later, you might post ([[Talk:RationalWiki (en)#Similar wikis|in this section of RationalWikis talk page]]) an explanation of how [[Liberapedia]] is not as similar or notable as the other wikis being "spammed" in the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article now. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:29, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

:Uhhh well regarding the [[RationalWiki (en)]] talk page, I moved the disaster "debate maps" to subpages so, in my warped mind, the rest of the sections I created, seem informative. I guess I might move some other sections to subpages, if no one objects. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 09:34, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

:: I also regret letting this get out of hand. It appears at least one [[sysop]] is no longer active here[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Proxima_Centauri&diff=prev&oldid=70795], apparently as a result of this conflict over the WikiIndex [[RationalWiki (en)]] page and my sad attempts to first ignore it and later flailing about to Do Something about it.

::::What can we can do to get your vote for unprotecting the articles: [[RationalWiki (en)]], [[A Storehouse of Knowledge]], [[RationalWikiWiki]], and [[Liberapedia]]? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 17:30, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

:You say that I have won an edit war. I guess you mean that because [[User:Nx]] has apparently left, we are gonna have my criticism in the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article? I think there would be less edit "warring" or debating, if there were clear inclusion policies or dispute resolution mechanisms. I understand that these may require more work than others are interested in doing. Not sure if I will be able to facilitate the creation of inclusion policies, especially if voting/petitions aren't going to be permitted. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 13:15, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

:::: Tell you what, I've just restored and unprotected the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article. Don't make me regret this. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:15, 17 September 2009 (EDT)