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==[[Conservapedia]]==
==[[Conservapedia]]==
Hello, I have a question: Are wiki-index articles supposed to be filled with hateful criticism of the wikis? It is weird, but the '''only wiki in the whole wiki-index with a criticism section is Conservapedia'''. And it takes most of the article! I think it should be only an index. Do not you think? People of [[RationalWiki]] should not be the ones who edit that article! (Gulik, Proxima Centauri)
Hello, I have a question: Are wiki-index articles supposed to be filled with hateful criticism of the wikis? It is weird, but the '''only wiki in the whole wiki-index with a criticism section is Conservapedia'''. And it takes most of the article! I think it should be only an index. Do not you think? People of [[RationalWiki (en)]] should not be the ones who edit that article! (Gulik, Proxima Centauri)


At every other single article of this wikiindex, the [[editor]]s of the article on a wiki are its administrators or people involved with the wiki directly. Except Conservapedia. It does not deserve it because it is christian! Liberals talk a lot about discrimination but they are the most discriminating anyone would ever find.
At every other single article of this wikiindex, the [[editor]]s of the article on a wiki are its administrators or people involved with the wiki directly. Except Conservapedia. It does not deserve it because it is christian! Liberals talk a lot about discrimination but they are the most discriminating anyone would ever find.
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Summary:
Summary:
* [[Conservapedia]] is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex that has a criticism section <- '''Discrimination'''
* [[Conservapedia]] is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex that has a criticism section <- '''Discrimination'''
* [[RationalWiki]] editors are the one who edit the entry and '''revert most other people's edits'''  <- '''Discrimination'''
* [[RationalWiki (en)]] editors are the one who edit the entry and '''revert most other people's edits'''  <- '''Discrimination'''
* Conservapedia is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex whose own editors are let to manage the article on their wiki.  <- '''Discrimination'''
* Conservapedia is the '''only wiki''' in the whole wikiindex whose own editors are let to manage the article on their wiki.  <- '''Discrimination'''
* Guilk has menaced with adding more criticism.  <- '''Harassment'''
* Guilk has menaced with adding more criticism.  <- '''Harassment'''
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==Conservapedia, RationalWiki etc==
==Conservapedia, RationalWiki etc==
There’s an edit war in progress over [[Conservapedia]], [[RationalWiki]], and [[Talk:The Conservapedia RationalWiki war|The Conservapedia RationalWiki war]].  More can be found on the talk pages of all 3 articles and in the page histories.  I’m biased in favour of RationalWiki.  Conservapedia supporters would an impartial administrator to intervene.  I will try to summarize objectively.
There’s an edit war in progress over [[Conservapedia]], [[RationalWiki (en)]], and [[Talk:The Conservapedia RationalWiki war|The Conservapedia RationalWiki war]].  More can be found on the talk pages of all 3 articles and in the page histories.  I’m biased in favour of RationalWiki.  Conservapedia supporters would an impartial administrator to intervene.  I will try to summarize objectively.
#'''RationalWiki point of view''':  Conservapedia deserves the criticism. Conservapedia regularly blocks and deletes dissent on its website.  They want to prevent criticism similarly here.  There are especially large articles criticizing Conservapedia on Wikiindex because there are special problems with Conservapedia.
#'''RationalWiki point of view''':  Conservapedia deserves the criticism. Conservapedia regularly blocks and deletes dissent on its website.  They want to prevent criticism similarly here.  There are especially large articles criticizing Conservapedia on Wikiindex because there are special problems with Conservapedia.
#'''Conservapedia point of view''':  RationalWiki are wiki [[vandal]]s and irresponsible atheists.  We struggle to keep our wiki Christian and fundamentalist and RationalWiki vandals cause us constant problems. (As a [[RationalWikian]] I feel this criticism is true of a few RationalWikians but not all).  No other wiki has such long prominent criticism and Conservapedia shouldn’t either.  If criticism is allowed here critical sections can spread to other wikis and explode out of control.  Some users who appear neutral also feel that criticism shouldn’t be allowed because of this.  
#'''Conservapedia point of view''':  RationalWiki are wiki [[vandal]]s and irresponsible atheists.  We struggle to keep our wiki Christian and fundamentalist and RationalWiki vandals cause us constant problems. (As a [[RationalWiki (en)|RationalWikian]] I feel this criticism is true of a few RationalWikians but not all).  No other wiki has such long prominent criticism and Conservapedia shouldn’t either.  If criticism is allowed here critical sections can spread to other wikis and explode out of control.  Some users who appear neutral also feel that criticism shouldn’t be allowed because of this.  


I’ve considered things.  It can be a shock when a user doesn’t know that he/she is committing a [[block]]able offense and suddenly is looking at a ban window.  This can happen on many wikis.  Problems with users being blocked for expressing dissenting views aren’t unique to Conservapedia.  To address this I’ve made a new category, [[:Category:Wikis with a strong viewpoint]].  To be neutral I’ve included many secular wikis as well as religious wikis in this category. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:45, 22 November 2008 (EST)
I’ve considered things.  It can be a shock when a user doesn’t know that he/she is committing a [[block]]able offense and suddenly is looking at a ban window.  This can happen on many wikis.  Problems with users being blocked for expressing dissenting views aren’t unique to Conservapedia.  To address this I’ve made a new category, [[:Category:Wikis with a strong viewpoint]].  To be neutral I’ve included many secular wikis as well as religious wikis in this category. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:45, 22 November 2008 (EST)
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==[[Block]] again==
==[[Block]] again==
I've blocked a user for [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Talk:RationalWiki&curid=14774&diff=67602&oldid=67601&rcid=72457 this edit].  [[User:Huw Powell]] and various unregistered users have been setting out to cause me problems for weeks. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:03, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
I've blocked a user for [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Talk:RationalWiki_(en)&curid=14774&diff=67602&oldid=67601&rcid=72457 this edit].  [[User:Huw Powell]] and various unregistered users have been setting out to cause me problems for weeks. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:03, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:I have asked you to provide evidence for your accusation. Your response was to block me and lock the talk page. You are the only one to blame for your problems. [http://RationalWikiWiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leaving_and_never_coming_back&diff=prev&oldid=10804] [[User:38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:I have asked you to provide evidence for your accusation. Your response was to block me and lock the talk page. You are the only one to blame for your problems. [http://RationalWikiWiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leaving_and_never_coming_back&diff=prev&oldid=10804] [[User:38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::The discussion is re-opened. But I think, this question has never to be answered. Have a nice day! :-) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:38, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::The discussion is re-opened. But I think, this question has never to be answered. Have a nice day! :-) --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:38, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Barbara (PS, that's my mother's name), ''you'' are the problem.  You are a power hungry, anguished person.  I never set out to "cause [you] problems", I came here because you whined on [[RationalWiki]] and [[RationalWikiWiki]] about your own behavior being reported on. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:41, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Barbara (PS, that's my mother's name), ''you'' are the problem.  You are a power hungry, anguished person.  I never set out to "cause [you] problems", I came here because you whined on [[RationalWiki (en)]] and [[RationalWikiWiki]] about your own behavior being reported on. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:41, 12 July 2009 (EDT)


==Admin abuse by [[User:Proxima Centauri]]==
==Admin abuse by [[User:Proxima Centauri]]==
Your assistance in this matter would be appreciated [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Admin abuse by Proxima Centauri|here]]. Thank you [[Special:Contributions/38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
Your assistance in this matter would be appreciated [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Admin abuse by Proxima Centauri|here]]. Thank you [[Special:Contributions/38.108.111.63|38.108.111.63]] 14:49, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Once more, Proxima is abusing her [[admin]] rights at [[RationalWiki]].  She has locked the article, and is taking advantage of RW being down to [[spam]] pointless links to her own pet wiki, [[Liberapedia]].  She also [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Proxima+Centauri&page= blocked a user] ([[User:Nx]]) for correcting her incompetence. I repeat, she is a power-mad authoritarian with very poor language and comprehension skills. (I can footnote those accusations if necessary). [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:Once more, Proxima is abusing her [[admin]] rights at [[RationalWiki (en)]].  She has locked the article, and is taking advantage of RW being down to [[spam]] pointless links to her own pet wiki, [[Liberapedia]].  She also [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Proxima+Centauri&page= blocked a user] ([[User:Nx]]) for correcting her incompetence. I repeat, she is a power-mad authoritarian with very poor language and comprehension skills. (I can footnote those accusations if necessary). [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 00:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)


These have been [[troll]]ing and being deliberately abusive, if you aren't satisfied with the way I deal with trolls I'm close to leaving. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 02:46, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
These have been [[troll]]ing and being deliberately abusive, if you aren't satisfied with the way I deal with trolls I'm close to leaving. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 02:46, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:Do, please. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 03:09, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:Do, please. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 03:09, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
::Mark, I see you have unblocked Nx and Phantom Hoover.  Good move, neither of them mean harm.  Can you also unlock the [[RationalWiki]] article?  As of now Proxima Centauri is preventing anyone else from correcting her errors (and simply cleaning it up) by (ab)using her admin rights.  If you want to chat about this behind closed doors or whatever, I think my email is enabled (or ask me on my talk page if you prefer another venue). I understand she has been very helpful here at times with the chores of blocking wandals, locking pages, and burning offensive edits, but seriously, this issue is so trivial it's not funny.  It certainly did not require her to run around smacking people left and right. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:01, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::Mark, I see you have unblocked Nx and Phantom Hoover.  Good move, neither of them mean harm.  Can you also unlock the [[RationalWiki (en)]] article?  As of now Proxima Centauri is preventing anyone else from correcting her errors (and simply cleaning it up) by (ab)using her admin rights.  If you want to chat about this behind closed doors or whatever, I think my email is enabled (or ask me on my talk page if you prefer another venue). I understand she has been very helpful here at times with the chores of blocking wandals, locking pages, and burning offensive edits, but seriously, this issue is so trivial it's not funny.  It certainly did not require her to run around smacking people left and right. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:01, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Update: I see edit buttons on the RW article.  So either it's been unprotected or someone made me a sysop?  [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:04, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Update: I see edit buttons on the RW article.  So either it's been unprotected or someone made me a sysop?  [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:04, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I edited the "loss of service" section.  I hope what I wrote meets the standards and goals of this site. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:15, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I edited the "loss of service" section.  I hope what I wrote meets the standards and goals of this site. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 04:15, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
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::::::The tenacious persistence of you and your allies, sometimes makes me wonder, if the real administration tried to prevent you from being here, what you would resort to. When I say tenacious persistence, I don't mean emailing higher powers, but how you feel entitled to say [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=70593&oldid=70592 delete the vast majority of an article], multiple times. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::The tenacious persistence of you and your allies, sometimes makes me wonder, if the real administration tried to prevent you from being here, what you would resort to. When I say tenacious persistence, I don't mean emailing higher powers, but how you feel entitled to say [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Lumeniki&diff=70593&oldid=70592 delete the vast majority of an article], multiple times. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)


==[[RationalWiki]], heavy handed?==
==[[RationalWiki (en)|RationalWiki]], heavy handed?==
Nice work.  You deleted everything about the wiki, which will shortly be up again.  And you also locked the article.  Wiki Index is taking a nosedive as the [[troll]]s take over, in my considered - very carefully considered - opinion. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:02, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
Nice work.  You deleted everything about the wiki, which will shortly be up again.  And you also locked the article.  Wiki Index is taking a nosedive as the [[troll]]s take over, in my considered - very carefully considered - opinion. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:02, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:Actually Huw, not quite everything was deleted. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:59, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:Actually Huw, not quite everything was deleted. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 07:59, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, only all of the text. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 08:07, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, only all of the text. [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] 08:07, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[Talk:RationalWiki|Here's "your" article]]. It seems to have some similar wiki's missing but anyone can fix that. Plus you get to see some of the real inner-workings of "reason in action". I'd say this much better reflects the "community property" that Nx said he would favor. What's the big deal? Not as pretty anymore? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:39, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[Talk:RationalWiki (en)|Here's "your" article]]. It seems to have some similar wiki's missing but anyone can fix that. Plus you get to see some of the real inner-workings of "reason in action". I'd say this much better reflects the "community property" that Nx said he would favor. What's the big deal? Not as pretty anymore? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:39, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[User talk:Nx#RationalWiki moved to talk page.|I feel bad for Nx]], however. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:54, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[User talk:Nx#RationalWiki moved to talk page.|I feel bad for Nx]], however. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:54, 6 September 2009 (EDT)


==Deletions and Protections==
==Deletions and Protections==
I have to agree with the comments from others that removing the descriptions from [[Liberapedia]], [[RationalWiki]], [[Conservapedia]], [[A Storehouse of Knowledge]], and [[RationalWikiWiki]] is unnecessary. The only one of those that has been edited much recently is RationalWiki's page, and the real argument about that one was finished days ago. Of the other four, the only edits in the last week have been from me updating the page statistics on two, and [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] fixing a grammatical error on another.
I have to agree with the comments from others that removing the descriptions from [[Liberapedia]], [[RationalWiki (en)]], [[Conservapedia]], [[A Storehouse of Knowledge]], and [[RationalWikiWiki]] is unnecessary. The only one of those that has been edited much recently is RationalWiki's page, and the real argument about that one was finished days ago. Of the other four, the only edits in the last week have been from me updating the page statistics on two, and [[User:Phantom Hoover|Phantom Hoover]] fixing a grammatical error on another.


In other words, the descriptions for all these pages are ''already'' agreed, so there's no point in moving everything to the [[talk page]]. Please can you unprotect those five pages and move the descriptions back to their correct place. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 07:24, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
In other words, the descriptions for all these pages are ''already'' agreed, so there's no point in moving everything to the [[talk page]]. Please can you unprotect those five pages and move the descriptions back to their correct place. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] 07:24, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
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::Umm how are you judging that? I didn't feel like [[edit war]]ing over the issue of allowing more criticism, but now it looks like we are headed for [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F .28Who decides.3F.29|entire pages devoted to criticism]]. I could be wrong. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:55, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Umm how are you judging that? I didn't feel like [[edit war]]ing over the issue of allowing more criticism, but now it looks like we are headed for [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F .28Who decides.3F.29|entire pages devoted to criticism]]. I could be wrong. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:55, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Having fun?  You're the only one who seems to think there is a controversy... Oh, and just because the spellchecker doesn't flag "waring" doesn't mean it's the right word. Just in case you are using it in policy development pages. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:33, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Having fun?  You're the only one who seems to think there is a controversy... Oh, and just because the spellchecker doesn't flag "waring" doesn't mean it's the right word. Just in case you are using it in policy development pages. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:33, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I think that many of those who post criticisms in talk pages, would prefer pages for criticism. You know like all those that {{U|Nx}} tucked away into [[Talk:RationalWiki/Archive1]]. There are plenty left outside the "archive". If these people don't feel they are being heard, then they leave. The way it should be, right? Do you think this is true or false, Human? Or will this be another one of my questions that you simply dismiss as "incomprehensible" (to you)? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:49, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I think that many of those who post criticisms in talk pages, would prefer pages for criticism. You know like all those that {{U|Nx}} tucked away into [[Talk:RationalWiki (en)/Archive1]]. There are plenty left outside the "archive". If these people don't feel they are being heard, then they leave. The way it should be, right? Do you think this is true or false, Human? Or will this be another one of my questions that you simply dismiss as "incomprehensible" (to you)? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 04:49, 12 September 2009 (EDT)