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split out "vanity pages" as a separate section; reply.

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 :* accidentally blanking everything on some other user's talk page. Then I think it would be better to point out what happened on that user's talk page, tell them how to undo such accidents, and warn them not to do it again.
 :* making a page or two to talk about something would be acceptable on other wiki, but is considered off-topic here at WikiIndex, such as "vanity pages". Then I think it would be better to point out such things are off-topic on that user's talk page, tell them a wiki that would be more appropriate for such things, and warn them that such off-topic pages will "soon" be deleted. If someone puts a lot of work into such a well-intentioned page, and then they are blocked without warning and all their work deleted without warning -- that seems like overkill, and counterproductive -- too often such a user becomes angry and (as soon as the block expires) starts vandalizing.
-I think vanity pages are acceptable if the user makes useful contributions as well, it's a way of paying the user for doing work.  Doing nothing except edit a vanity page is unacceptable to me. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 20:39, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
 : But alas, even if you took my above rambling preferences (and I haven't even started my rant on how "reasonably named users" vs "IP users" vs "user names that make statements!!one!" affect my blocking decisions) and made it policy, I wouldn't like it -- policy pages should be short and crisp and objective and unambiguous.
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 : But alas, it's not obvious to me how to include any of that stuff without making it unbearably long.
 : --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 16:17, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
+== vanity pages ==
+I think vanity pages are acceptable if the user makes useful contributions as well, it's a way of paying the user for doing work.  Doing nothing except edit a vanity page is unacceptable to me. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 20:39, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
+: I agree that there is no reason to keep a person here who will never in the future help us.
+: I am surprised that you find an action that is encouraged on other wiki to be grounds for blocking on WikiIndex. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean by "vanity page"? or "unacceptable"?
+: I hope you agree with me that a person who only edits a single page does less harm to us (his work can be more easily reverted and the page can be protected) than a troll who trolls across several pages (who in turn does less harm to us than a spambot), and so should be treated less harshly than a troll.
+: I hope you can see that some person might think it is hypocritical of me to both (a) put information about myself on my user page, but (b) block a user and immediately delete all of that user's edits when that person has made no edits, good or bad, other than putting information about himself on his own user page.
+: I don't know of any wiki where sysops immediately delete user pages without warning. People who follow the [[Wiki: AreYouThere]] protocol first post a warning, then wait at least a year(!), then delete that user page. Wikipedia never deletes such pages: "A user's contributions that consist solely of a lone edit to their user page, ..., should not normally be deleted" -- [[Wikipedia: user page]]
+: Most wiki generally *encourage* newcomers to make a user page as one of their first edits.
+:* "As a first step, you can create a WikiHomePage using your WikiName." -- [[Wiki: AddYourName]]
+:* "Joining Meatball is as simple as saying hello. ... Practice in the SandBox! Once you are comfortable, sign our guestbook, RecentVisitors, with your real name and then create your very own homepage here." -- starting page of [[MeatballWiki]]
+:* "It would be great for you to create your personal page, as it helps in creating and expanding a vibrant community composed of Real People. You may add links to your social networks ..." -- [http://www.aboutus.org/TheWikiWay:PersonalPage AboutUs: TheWikiWay:PersonalPage]
+: WikiIndex is *different* from other wiki, so it is certainly reasonable for us to do things completely differently from any other wiki.
+: If we choose to delete some kinds of user pages immediately, I think it would be polite to mention that fact somewhere on this WikiIndex, and perhaps even give the reasons why we do things our way. Perhaps a sufficiently persuasive page will help other people from other wiki realize that they are Doing It Wrong and start doing things The Right Way.
+: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 14:21, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
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