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: Fixed. I removed the comma in the article count. --[[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] 14:48, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

:: Ahhh, he was the culprit! Thank you Ciencia, appreciate it. [[User:Clarissa Caldwell|Clarissa Caldwell]] 18:52, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

: ''Not sure I understand this "But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want." - If we have done this to try and prevent wiki spam, how would we do it otherwise?  No disrespect is intentioned, so thanks for bringing this issue up.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]

: I do not know if [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] can support this out of the box, but here's how I've dealt with these issues: My wikis implement a whitelist of sites that can be linked to, and a regular expression black list of sites that can not be linked to. My wiki implements the whitelist as a list of sites that are linked to directly, and sites not on either the white or black lists are linked to through a redirect script. My wiki refuses to render any URL matching a regexp in the blacklist. Users see nothing in that spot on the page, and admins see the page rendered with "BLOCKED URL yyy" at those spots... I know the whole issue of white and black lists is controversial, but I've found it to be relatively painless way of removing the payload for spammers. Combined with IP block list, and a captcha box for non-authenticated users, 99% of wiki spam is rebuffed before it even gets posted... For this wiki, my suggestion is that whitelisting could be linked to the page names, so that the link to a wiki would be without the rel="nofollow" on it's own page. Obviously this would require some custom code unique to this wiki. - ''Anonymous''

: Has nofollow been unintentionally turned back on? --[[User:71.202.61.146|71.202.61.146]] 04:16, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

:: Yeah, the default is on, I just turned it off again. Sorry!  [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:35, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

: It seems [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Moving_a_category_page no-one can move categories].  [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]

: I just created [[:Category:Deutsch]] as a redirect to [[:Category:German]].  This works in the sense that if you click on the Deutsch link under the categories at the bottom of the page you will go to Category:German.  The problem is that any articles tagged with only Category:Deutsch do not show up under Category:German.  After thinking about it, I am now changing [[:Category:Deutsch]] to be a subcategory under [[:Category:German]].  I think that is the better to do things.  I'll also do the same thing with [[:Category:Español]].  [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 20:47, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)

: David, I looked at it, and it looks cool, but I am not sure I get it.  Please list it if you want.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]

:: mailedto.com is just one of those spammy psuedo-search portal sites that hijack your search terms from other search engines and make you go through them.  There's probably a name for that, but I don't know what it is.  Anyway, it certainly isn't a wiki.  [Just Passing Through] [[User:68.166.37.234|68.166.37.234]] 16:58, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

: ''Does your friend want a free service or can they pay?'' [[MarkDilley]]

: ''Friend here.  It needs to be secure.  Trade secrets, personal info and such.  I'd like to host it for more control if possible.  Thanks.

* [[Socialtext]] - talk to [[SunirShah]]

* [[Confluence]] [[Atlassian]] - http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ - Mike fron [[RecentChangesCamp]]

* [[Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks.

: Thanks.  I have no idea what to do once I arrive at these links.  The last option is something you get if you sign up for a paid hosting plan?  Howard

:: I've merged the two pages now, so problem should be solved. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:51, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

: See what I did on [[TextMate Wiki]]. Sorry it took me so long to respond. I thought this page was on my watchlist. It is now. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 15:29, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

: I can only guess that that's a MediaWiki feature.  If you don't use the watchlist, does having something on there impact you somewhere else? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:04, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

: I'm sorry to hear you're annoyed, my friend. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

: Your own user page can't be un-watched. I think it's somehow connected to talk page notification. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 00:56, 3 July 2006 (EDT)

: I didn't even know we '''had''' a spam filter. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 17:49, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

: That was me.  Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network?  [[WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours.  So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in.  It linked back to your page on [[WikiIndex]] so you'd know it was us.  Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage.  Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors.  Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

:: I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost.  Please see my comment at [[Talk:ElWiki]].  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 14:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

: Hi.  I think the idea sounds good, is it possible for you to start the process, or do we have to have an administrator do it?  Cheers, [[MarkDilley]]

: Hi John, you may want to alter the SQL Statement by limiting the number of pages fetched (SELECT TOP 200 ... or the likes).  That way only the last X edits will show up.  Google will fetch the sitemap every 12 hours or so, therefore it'll only get the latest batch of updated pages.  Of course find some values that'll work for this site.  I don't know how many edits per day you're having here.  Cheers Caspar/[http://www.thinklemon.com/ ThinkLemon].  (Oh and if the MediaWiki database schema did not change from 1.5 to 1.6 it should work fine.  Haven't tried it myself though. ;-))

: It's a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] thing.  Their search is awful and hasn't been worked on for a long time.  I don´t believe we have the expertise among us to handle it.  I'd recommend making a redirect from [[CTM]].  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:00, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

: We're a bottom-up sort of place.  We didn't decide on [[Special:Categories|categories]] in advance.  Each [[wiki]] is categorized (tagged) in a way that makes sense to the people doing the tagging, without regard to taxonomy (generally).  It's only over time that we can start to see patterns, and then we can decide if any larger action needs to happen.  In the case of the two examples you cite, I'd suggest that every wiki in those categories would need to be examined to see if those tags still make sense.  A wiki about information theory might well belong in category information, but many of the wikis there might not be.  Feel free to dig in to do this work! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:05, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

: We have a convention here using this syntax: '''<nowiki>{{related|RelatedCategory}}</nowiki>''' that we use to draw links between categories that are related.  I bring this up because I can easily imagine wikis about hunger in Chicago or Toronto that have nothing to do with International Development.  So while I agree with you that category hunger is related to category international development, to say that hunger is inside international development doesn't seem true to me. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:10, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

:: Thanks - good point about hunger in Chicago etc.  Will give it more thought, and probably change those pages to using {{tl|related}}. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small>^{[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]}</small> 21:49, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

: There's a more useful page at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID . I would ''love'' to help someone at WikiIndex install this software, step-by-step if needed. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 14:20, 3 February 2007 (PST)

:: Would love to implement OpenID, as we discussed at RCC 2007, I've read over the installation page and it doesn't look too hairy. We do have a couple of issues that need to be resolved before we can go live with it, our .htaccess rewrite code quit working when we upgraded to MW 1.8.2 and changed hosts. I'll try to resolve our issues this week and start working on OpenID this weekend or early next week. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 09:25, 13 February 2007 (PST)

:: Hotlinks can on some MediaWikis be made by just writing the URL. The {}'s are parameters in templates that allows the user to customize the template. <span title="Swedish n-dash FTW!">&ndash;</span> [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 14:01, 15 November 2006 (EST)

: One caveat with hotlinking: As of MediaWiki 1.8, this appears to be turned off by default (although it can be re-enabled by system administrators by changing LocalSettings.php). Default in earlier versions was to replace any exposed link to an external image URL with the hotlinked image itself.  

* Major topics on Wikipedia - this would mean a category which has an article of the same name, and which has a category on WikiIndex.  

* Wikipedia Wikiprojects (collaborations to improve groups of articles)

* Bookshelves and books on Wikibooks

:: Excellent - will do this. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small>^{[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]}</small> 00:36, 21 September 2006 (EDT)

: See also [http://www.appropedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page this response to the same question] on Appropedia.

: Let us know if this helps. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins/Singkong2005]] <small>^{[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]}</small> 21:07, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

: If you're looking for flags, openclipart.org has a reasonably full set as public-domain .SVG's. Perhaps you could use those? --[[User:66.102.73.18|66.102.73.18]] 02:22, 15 December 2006 (EST)

:: [[Meta-Wiki:Renameuser|Yes it is]]. They have [[Wikipedia:Special:Version|quite a few]] pretty nifty extensions there. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 15:44, 20 December 2006 (PST)

: <tt>The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.</tt>

: CAPTCHAs are rather difficult to implement effectively, and really only stop spambots. I think (hope) I've created a whitelist and added that as the first entry. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 16:05, 1 January 2007 (PST)

: Spambots are the source of most of the wiki linkspam at the moment, and blacklists are doing a poor job of dealing with the problems as spammers are free to just register more domain names and hide behind a long list of open proxies scattered across the net. There is an extension (ConfirmEdit) available from MediaWiki's SVN that provides a captcha (or asks for the answer to a maths problem) - I've found it to be the most effective way to stop 'bots from posting anything with any external links. This would be the majority of rubbish pages with trailing /'s, /index.php/ or other nonsense in the titles. --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:09, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

: We use the wikimedia blacklist for most of our link spam filtering see: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist spam blacklist] if your url appears in that blacklist you should probably notify them because many wikis use that list to control spam. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

: Could I please get a local whitelisting for the site gargoyles.dracandros.com/ (with an http:// at the front). It's for the page on [[GargWiki]]. If this is not an appropriate place to ask about it, where should I go? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 11:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

: As far as I know, it still works. As for that image, I'll look through the deletion logs and see if it's there. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:15, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

:: Ah, something's linking to it as a wiki page rather than a file. Ping John on that. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 21:18, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

: As of MediaWiki 1.8, ''$wgAllowExternalImages = false;'' is the default. This can only be changed from the config files (LocalSettings.php). --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 10:05, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

:: External images are re-enabled (part of the rebuilding process). [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:32, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

: Refresh me on the template signatures, what do we need to do? [[User:John Stanton|John]] 18:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

:: So that we can have very nice looking signatures that don't take up six rows in the edit box.<br/>

: Nothing technical would need to be done. Might as well set myself up one. {{User:Sean Fennel/signature}} 03:04, 31 May 2007 (EDT)'''EDIT:''' Nothing technical except allowing subpages in the "User" namespace. &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 03:09, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

:: Yeah, User namespaces have subpages turned on by default, guess I'll have to get with the program :-)  [[User:John Stanton|John]] 10:28, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

::: In some wikis, these take up bandwith and stuff, so I were just asking. – [[Smiddle]]/<small>[[Talk:Smiddle|T]][[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]][[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 16:34, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

: Hmm - I thought AboutUs was web-focused rather than local focused. Have you started to move in that direction at all, of the kind of thing I've been talking about, or is it something you've just been thinking about? Curious to hear your ideas. --[[User:Singkong2005|Chris Watkins a.k.a. Chriswaterguy]] <small>^{[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]}</small> 09:26, 14 February 2008 (EST)

:: Have a look at [[WikiSocial]] --[[User:Matthias|Matthias]] 12:45, 14 February 2008 (EST)

* Price range:  Free would be nice, or under $15 a month  

* Usability:  I'm obviously going to need a WYSIWYG interface

* Bells & Whistles:  I'd like 'em all.  Preview, Section editing, email notification etc.

* Domain:  I don't need to use my own domain

* Hosting:  Someone else should host it, I'll just make a mess

* Security:  I need flexibility to control who is able to view and participate for the first few months, then be able to open it up.

* Ads: I'd like the option of controlling some of the ad space.  I don't need this right away, but it may become important.  I don't mind other ads being on the page if they're not obnoxious and overly prominent

: Don't worry about making the "wrong" choice. If you ever change your mind, it is easy to move content from any wiki to any other wiki.

: I recommend starting a wiki on *both* your top 2 options, and making prominent links back and forth between them.

: That way, if one is ever temporarily offline, people can immediately use the other one.

: In theory, http://www.wikimatrix.org/ ([[WikiMatrix]]) should quickly steer you to the right choice. Have you tried their [http://www.wikimatrix.org/wizard.php wiki choice wizard]? How can we improve it?

: I ran through it myself with the criteria you give above, and it gives me [http://communitywiki.org/TooManyWikiEngines TooManyWikiEngines].

: [tangent] Many newcomers to wiki think that WYSIWYG is absolutely necessary. However, [http://communitywiki.org/WysiwygIsntLinking other people] feel that communicating and connecting ideas is the top priority, and current WYSIWYG wiki implementations make that unnecessarily difficult -- other, simpler ways to edit are better.[/tangent] --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 15:52, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

: Anyone considering doing this may find the [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Starting_and_Running_a_Wiki_Website Wikibook: "Starting and running a wiki website"] helpful.

: Perhaps also the [[Wiki: RunningYourOwnWikiFaq]]. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 23:15, 11 December 2008 (EST)

: Aha! It looks like you can use the {{tl|delete}} template to bring it to the attention of any administrator who is checking that category. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:13, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

: Hmm. This is bound to happen more in the future, so a formal policy would be a good idea.

: Maybe a 'disambiguation page' might be appropriate for this sort of thing? You could have the disambiguation page at 'Blackshot Wiki' and have that page point to both of the wikis using the name. Then each wiki could have a disambiguation template on the top of the page that says something along the line of: ''This wiki has an identical name to at least one other wiki, for other wikis called <insert name> see the <insert name> disambiguation page.''  

: Another way to handle this would be to have a link on top of both wikis that says something like: ''This is the Blackshot Wiki set up by <whoevermadethewiki>, for the Blackshot Wiki set up by <whoevermadetheotherwiki> see <whateverthelinkis>.'' That sounds more like what you have done for your short term solution. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 09:50, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

:: In the case of [[Transformers Wiki]], we set up a disambiguation page. This seems like a good solution. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:41, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

* Create seperate Namespaces for the three main subjects that WikiIndex covers. An idea for the Namespace names would be "Wiki", "Editor", and "Idea". This would give us a first step to splitting WikiIndex up into three seperate sections.

* Once we have this, we can proceed further. Each Namespace could have a main page, such as "Wiki:Contents", "Editor:Contents", and "Idea:Contents". In these content pages, we could start with splitting up individual wikis up into sections. Seperate headers for different sortations, such as "Wikis by size", "Wikis by subject" and so on.

* These contents pages, so that they can easily be found, could be linked to from the sidebar. An obvious place to put them would be under "navigation". Equally logical would be to create a new header, called "sections" or something similar.

* The categories should probably be linked to from the contents pages. The Category Namespace is extremely valuable to the organization, as they represent an automatically refreshing list of whatever we wish to put there. The wikis themselevs are automatically categorized by the Wiki template. I'm not sure whether this is also done for Editors.

: Hmm. I don't know if you actually need to add extra namespace to do this. I'd say that improvement on the main page, could point to some 'how to use WikiIndex' pages that show people exactly how to find wikis via categories or the search facility. Even if that involved adding a namespace, I don't see why you need to do more than have a single WikiIndex namespace with pages called things like 'WikiIndex:How to use WikiIndex', 'WikiIndex:How to use our search box' and so on. Although, having said that, I would have thought that most of the stuff I've mentioned should go into normal help pages.

: What was the reason for your proposed 'Editors' namespace? Was that something that would be used to help find people with WikiIndex user accounts? If so, then I think that categorising users would help. But most users seem to have a very chaotic attitude to their user page, so I can't see how you could do that without getting people to put some sort of template on their page. I think that ''might'' lead to people visiting other people's user pages and telling them 'you have done your user page wrong'. I think that you would need to tread lightly in any attmpt to organise users into groups. Ironically, I got specifically asked to create my user name in the main namespace (instead of the user namespace), so it looks like someone has already decided to do the opposite thing to your suggestion. You might want to find out who decided on that policy and talk to them. It is possible that your 'Editors' namespace would be better done if people were moved back to the 'User' namespace that other wiki editors would expect to see them under. (The Search page is already setup to look for pages within the User namespace, but adding an 'Editors' namespace would create a need to reprogram the Search page.)

: What is the Idea thing? Are you talking about general concepts that are not wikis? [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 09:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

: I believe that everything is on-topic somewhere [http://www.communitywiki.org/en/OnAndOffTopic].

: I would love for Mr. Obama to create a page at WikiIndex about himself, a page that would show the world that he is, in fact, one of the [[:Category:Wiki People]]

: However, the WikiIndex is intended to be a index of wiki.

: Since Mr. Obama is not, himself, a wiki, nor (yet) one of the [[:Category:Wiki People]], I don't think it is really appropriate for either of us to create an article about Mr. Obama here at WikiIndex.

: Until then, I think the best place at WikiIndex to put your list of links to wiki that have articles about Mr. Obama is in a "related wiki" section of the [[Obamapedia]] article at WikiIndex.

: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 16:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)

: One problem with this strategy, is that one of the places I've seen that has a 'review' of a wiki is [[Wikia]]. Wikia is a wikifarm, so the issues that have been brought up on that page relate to any future wiki that someone might choose to host on Wikia (or elsewhere), but they also relate (to a lesser extent) to every wiki that has the Wikia category added to it.

: I think you get two types of information from a 'review':

:* 'opinions' which are personal points of view and might not be shared by other editors and

:* 'facts' which can be verified by citations that link directly over to some sort of feature.

: I've got my doubts about the usefulness of 'opinions'. Everyone has their own opinions about things. If someone was to say that a specific wiki is 'too slow' then how am I supposed to decide how slow that is? But I think that facts (i.e. things that we can provide citations for) are much more likely to be useful to people. If something has a citation, I don't have to decide if user X has his facts straight. I can just surf over and have a look.

: Wikipedia has a 'no original research' rule, and I wonder if a 'no original opinions' rule could be the best way to deal with 'reviewing a wiki'. Instead of having someone sit down and 'judge' the quality of the wiki, they could simply list a set of bullet points for the wiki's 'Pros and Cons' and link to external pages that give further information.

: Some of the pros and cons of wiki farms apply to all of the wikis hosted on that wiki farm. You could (for example) make a template for Wikia (Template:Wikia perhaps) that lets people know that the wiki has various Wikia features (shared help, a single sign in for all Wikia wikis, community assistance at the central wiki, visiting admins who help fight spam, etc, etc). Descriptions of these features could actually be put on the Wikia category page, or alternatively, you could create a Wikia namespace (and have a page called 'Wikia:Shared help' that gives full details about how the help system works - or in this case does not work as it is currently broken). I'm not sure how this sort of thing should be set up, but it is something that could be cut down to an absolute minimum and then added to all Wikia wikis. (If it was done right, it could also add the Wikia category to the wiki in question.)

: In fact I wonder if anything that is statistical could be something that should be put into some sort of template. If lots of wikis have advertising, then should [[Template:Wiki]] be updated to have a line that lets people know if a given wiki has adverts on it? Or would it be better to have additional templates (like you already do with [[Template:Size]]?

: I also wonder if Template:Wiki should have sub-templates, that deal with specific types of wikis that have special requirements. For example, a number of wikis have been set up to deal with fictional worlds. From the point of view of fictional worlds 'canon' is a very important thing. Some people may be looking for an encyclopedia of canon and would not 'value' a wiki that contains stuff that is not from the canon of the original source. On the other hand, other people are interested in expanding that fictional world with fan-fiction and would not want to work on a wiki that did not allow them to add fanon material.

: I think that specific bits of information, like the examples I've given, can be very helpful to someone who wants to decide if they should spend time reading or writing on an individual wiki, but if I just read that User X thinks that 'Wiki Y is brilliant or rubbish at doing Z', then that really isn't helpful to me. I think that things like the wikiFactor (which is an optional feature on Template:Size) are so much more useful than longhand opinions, because I can very rapidly compare two wikis and decide which one I prefer. Feautures like wikiFactor, put the reader in the driving seat and inform rather than preach. More importantly, things like wikiFactor (or the absence or lack of adverts) are things that can easily be translated from English into a ton of other languages - long winded opinions are going to cause translation delays. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 08:50, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

:: I agree that any review info should be objective rather than subjective, but the question is about notability and fairness of certain "facts". For example, I (repeatedly) posted a "fact" in the [[RationalWiki]] article, that there was a debate about an issue on the talk page. Is it a notable fact? Is it fair to host or link to criticism of one without doing this for any competing wikis or wiki farm? When persistent editors make sure that their favored articles are free of certain "criticisms", is it fair to allow criticism in another article just because there is no one so driven to "protect" it? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:58, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

::: ''"By basic information, I mean facts which can be verified empirically (the link, the underlying wiki engine, the statement of purpose, # of pages, etc.). I differentiate this from people's subjective experiences with the wiki. [...] --MarvelZuvembie 20:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)" Quote is from ''[[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Proposal: Articles should preferably stick to facts|here]] and that is a more recent conversation. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:30, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

: I think that's a great idea.  This seems like it would easy to do, but like you, I haven't used bots, so I'm only assuming.  Anyone have any bot-creation experience? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 19:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

:: Yes, I have.  I will try to do something.  [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] 02:00, 3 November 2010 (PDT)

::: I [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=CreationWiki&curid=15873&diff=89839&oldid=85515 did it]. Please, give bot flag to [[User:Emijrpbot]].  [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 11:58, 15 December 2011 (PST)

: Hi Robin, I checked it out and it doesn't look very active - are you suggesting that people are amping up for major activity there?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]

: I'd check with [[Mark Dilley]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

:: Any updates on this? [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] 02:31, 5 April 2011 (PDT)

: That's an interesting question. What should the lifecycle of a wiki be? Were they meant to last forever? I didn't realize just how many wikis there are until I discovered WikiIndex. Having now shallowly observed several hundred wikis, in my opinion, not all of them deserve to live forever. And clearly, some were designed with a limited-time purpose, not to be relevant a decade later. But I take your point, a lot of good information and hard work can be lost if site owners or hosts are careless. The best advice I can offer to avoid this is for people to plan their wikis carefully. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:48, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

: Thanks to ''MarvelZuvembie'' for posting that (above). Here's the blurb:

: A site that discusses wiki, even if it is not a wiki itself, is on-topic for us to talk about it here at the [[WikiIndex]].  I think the simplest approach is to promote it the same as we promote a new wiki -- create a page for it, add it to the top of the list of new wiki on the home page, etc. Even though, at the moment, WikiSpeedia is merely one page proposing a site, and so technically not yet a wiki.

: p.s.: Is there a category that means "wiki-on-wiki conversation is on-topic", so I can tag [[WikiSpeedia]] and [[MeatballWiki]] and [[CommunityWiki.org]] and [[MediaWiki]] and other appropriate pages here with that category? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:30, 1 February 2011 (PST)

:: A central web site for everything related to Wikis is extremely necessary. I just found WikiIndex today and it looks like the best place for that. Too bad that it took me more than 1 year to find it... One weakness at Wikipedia is that it doesn't have a web forum. The [[wp:Wikipedia:Village pump|Village Pump]] is good, but far from good enough. It's practically impossible to follow an idea posted weeks ago (there are archives for each day - for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_November_24 2007 November 24]). That's why a forum is required. A forum for everything related to Wiki. On a forum it is possible to write on the same thread even after weeks, months and years from the last post, coming with a creative and valuable answer or idea. The forum should have sub-forums for ''mediawiki and for other wiki engines'', another one for ''wiki farms'', another one for ''wikis by category'', another one for ''ideas for new wikis'' where people can search for partners to start new wikis with, another one for ''technical hep'', and so on. For example, I need to translate a template like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Columns-list to my own wiki and I don't know how to do it. Many other mediawiki users need some basic templates for their wikis and they don't know how to get them. That's why WikiSpeedia can be so helpful. It's extremely important to have a central hub for all wiki users and experts. [[User:WikiFan|WikiFan]] 20:34, 1 November 2011 (PDT)

: ''Is it possible for you to intengrated size and wikiFactor into the wiki template?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]''