Editing Category talk:Wiki Edit Mode

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=='first edit'?==
Why not call this '''first edit'''?  It more correctly explains what the tags describe.  That also makes it clear that you're not trying to describe a whole 'mode' or 'policy'.

==Unknown==
This is no longer an edit mode, but is directly in [[:Category:Browse]] - needs to be cleaned up.  See [[:Category:Unknown]] to help.

==ByInvitation and Read-only==
Do these really need to be seperate?  If [[sysop]]s can edit [[:Category:Read-only|Read-only]] wikis, aren't those also [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]], by definition? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:34, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)


''I think there is a very big difference between
# (a) a [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a [[username]] and within minutes, without any human approval, immediately start to [[edit]] -- that's what [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] means, right ? -- vs.
# (b) a [[wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a user name, and after some human approves it (perhaps within a day or so), can start to edit, -- vs.
# (c) a wiki where only the [[Sysop]] and perhaps a few people the Sysop has selected ahead of time can edit, one that does not give any email address or other way for outsiders to register.
''The word "invitation" in "ByInvitation" implies (c). Type (c) and [[:Category:Read-only|Read-only]] wiki are effectively the same, to outsiders like me.''
''What do I use to tag type (b) wiki?''
''I would like a better name for type (b) wiki. RegisterToEdit, HumanApprovedApplicationToEdit, ... surely there's a better name? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:55, 8 December 2006 (EST)''

: no, when for example the database is locked at a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] wiki, I don't think sysops can edit it. (I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong) so when it's Read-only, no one can edit it (I think), but [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]] it's editable by eveyone, who been invited. (gee I'm not good at explaining stuff.) &ndash; [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 04:53, 9 December 2006 (EST)

:: We discussed all of this a long time ago, and if we didn't document well our thinking at the time, I suppose we're left with David's questions. :-)  Let me see if I can describe how I see things.  At first, we had many different [[Special:Categories|categories]] then we eventually collapsed down to [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]].  Definitely (a) above means [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]].  I'm almost certain that type (c) would be [[:Category:Read-only|Read-only]] for us, because there's no way to know who's allowed to edit when you come upon a wiki like this.  All you can see is that there's no way to edit, no way to login and no way to register or apply for a login.  So that's how we've been using Read-only.  Smiddle's "lockdown" scenario isn't specifically addressed, but that would be Read-only as well.  We're currently using ByInvitation to mean any wiki where you have to register by some publically available means, and a human has to approve you.  If that needs some other name, feel free to propose one.  That would be fine with me, if ByInvitation isn't cutting it.  We discussed it for a long time, but I see no reason to change if there's a term that's more clear. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:51, 9 December 2006 (EST)

::: I think it is wrong for us to tell people "you're not welcome at that wiki", when those people actually are welcome at that wiki. So I want to change "ByInvitation" to some other term.

::: (c) A few wiki have a sysop who has made a list of people he knows, and has already invited them to edit (by email or face-to-face), and since he doesn't know me, I'm not welcome at his wiki. (Typically, wiki used for college classes, where the only people invited are the people in that class).
::: The term "ByInvitation" sounds like I need that kind of invitation.
::: I think there is a very big difference between that kind of wiki and another kind of wiki:
::: (b) There are a lot of wiki who don't allow anyone to edit until their "application" has been approved by a real live human being (typically the sysop). However, the front page of the wiki explains in big letters exactly how any random human can get this approval, and the sysop practically always rubber-stamps "approved" on such application, even if the applicant is a total stranger. They would love for me to edit their wiki, even though they've never heard of me before -- the only reason the sysop is doing this "human approval" thing is in hopes of keeping out robotic spammers and/or slowing down human spammers. The most recent example I've seen: [[Synthesizers.com Wiki]].
::: Can you think of a better term to describe wiki where the sysop *wants* strangers to edit, but you can't actually edit until after some human sets the "allowed to edit" bit on your username? Perhaps "HumanApproved" ? "ApprovedLoginToEdit" ? Is "valid email to edit" is close enough? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 13:31, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

==higher level edit policy==
This scheme is actually not very good.  Among other things it doesn't deal with the higher level edit policy questions.  Who really cares if all [[editor]]s are required to sign up for a 'throwaway handle' under an 'obvious troll name', or worse, a 'seemingly real name'?  This doesn't matter at all.  It matters far more if a [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|valid email required]], but not much, if that valid email can be from a throwaway supplier of same like hotmail.

Probably this "mode" stuff needs to expand into <tt>category:wiki edit policy</tt> (kill the bad use of capital letters please, it isn't English).  It's far more important to know if, like [[Consumerium]], the wiki has [[troll-friendly]] policies (not just [[:Category:OpenEdit|open edit]], but also 'no outing', 'no witchhunt', 'no ad-hominem revert', 'no out-of-process delete' or 'only spam deleted', etc.).  It says a lot if the [[Sysop|administrators]] go around, as they do on [[English Wikipedia]], and try to kill every single link to "[[sysop vandalism]]", etc..

[[Wiki]] moderation capability varies very widely, and many wiki administrators are very very stupid.  The vast majority of wikis are killed by arbitrary and capricious behaviour that convinces willing editors that their work won't be respected, and no one cares to consult them on important changes to policy.  The flipside of wiki is that while you get free [[:Category:Open content|open content]] contributed, the contributors will disappear if you don't cut the right balance between redirecting out-of-scope concerns elsewhere and letting the contributors decide, or if you don't cut the right balance between pleasing the old trolls and helping new ones.  <span style="font-size:smaller" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[WikiIndex:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.177.72.113|142.177.72.113]] ([[User talk:142.177.72.113|talk]]) 22:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->

==Pay to edit?==
Just noticed [[OneBuckWiki]] listed at WikiIndex, looks like there some websites calling themselves wikis where you have to pay before you can edit them. Should these pay-to-edit "wikis" be listed at WikiIndex? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 16:34, 17 December 2007 (EST)

: On the one hand, these "wiki" miss the entire point of wiki: collaboration.
: On the other hand, it would be nice if wikiindex were a complete list of wiki -- even ones closed to the public.
: Then we could note on the pages of those wiki that they seemed oddly deficient, and point out other, superior wiki that discuss the same topics.
: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 04:25, 19 December 2007 (EST)

How about adding Pay to edit as a sixth category of [[:Category:Wiki Edit Mode|Wiki Edit Mode]]? (I don't like the idea of those pay-to-edit wikis lurking around in the LoginToEdit category.) --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 14:56, 19 January 2008 (EST)
: I would suggest, these wikis could be moved from [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] to [[:Category:Pay to edit|Pay to edit]], maybe with some words on this odd idea "pay-to-edit". Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:08, 20 January 2008 (EST)

I expect to find useful things here - not advertisers and [[spam]]mers. By listing things like "[[OneBuckWiki]]" we only promote advertisment bullshit and help them making money! This doesn't help the users to find useful wikis. Instead we should for example have a useful structure (e.g. categorisation) that helps finding things here...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 03:18, 12 February 2008 (EST)

: ''Hi, I think that a [[:Category:Pay to edit|Pay to edit]] category would be a useful tool to express what we think is valuable about [[wiki]].  I do agree with Speckmade that we should figure out how to barnraise some category work around here, (feeling guilty).  I would like to get folks together for an hour or two to trim down the [[WikiProject:Wikis to Add|Wikis to Add]] - anyone interested? Best, [[MarkDilley]]

:: I agree that we should make categories that are "not surprising" to our readers.
:: If our readers are are surprised to find that wiki in that category, then certainly we should move it to a more "expected" category, even if we have to create an entirely new category.
:: In my opinion, this WikiIndex should list *every* publicly-available wiki, no matter how evil it may be.
:: However, you may be able to convince us that things like this ''"shouldn't be listed on the wiki index, because it's not really a wiki, even if the software they use is distantly related to some wiki engine"''.
:: p.s.: I disagree with the idea that *mentioning* something is the same as "promoting" something. Surely the fact that I mention the "[[Flu Wiki|avian flu virus]]", doesn't mean that I "promote" the spread of that virus?
:: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 17:41, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I like the idea that this site lists all wikis: good, bad, and ugly. My perception is that there is a consensus here that we are allowed to add negative comments to a wiki's entry in the index, so when there's a concern such as this, we can address it by adding commentary to the page. I think I'll go ahead and create this category. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:28, 12 March 2010 (EST)

==SaveAfterPreview==
What about a "SaveAfterPreview" category for wikis such as [[MARJORIE-WIKI]]? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:23, 12 March 2010 (EST)
:Now created - [[:Category:SaveAfterPreview]].  If any know of other wikis operating on this principle, please populate this new category by amending the appropriate field in the relevant article Wiki template, thanks.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:43, 2 October 2012 (PDT)
::I think SaveAfterPreview is more of a anti-spam throttling [[:Category:great feature|feature]] then a truly unique edit mode worthy of being in this category. If a wiki is "fundamentally the same as OpenEdit" then it's edit mode should be listed as OpenEdit. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]'''  3 October 2012

==When it differs by namespace==
[http://PinEight.com/mw/ Pin Eight] has open editing of talk namespaces, but editing non-talk namespaces requires registration and [http://PinEight.com/mw/index.php?title=Pin_Eight:Users either e-mail confirmation or having two talk page edits and four days on your account]. How would that edit mode be classified? --[[Special:Contributions/98.226.71.46|98.226.71.46]] 16:18, 31 July 2012 (PDT)
:'Talk' pages are often classed as a [[sub-page]] of their parent page in the article namespace, and are often left as open edit even if the article namespace page has been locked.  Had a quick look at [[Pin Eight]], I would class it as <s>[[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]]</s> [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|ConfirmEmail]].  Rgds  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 06:45, 21 September 2012 (PDT)

==ConfirmEmail for Wikia wikis==
I just discovered all new users to [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] wikis (as of March 2012 actually) must be email confirmed, thus these wikis are [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|ConfirmEmail]] (unless there is some exception). Here's the link: http://Community.Wikia.com/wiki/Help%3APreferences#Email I just wanted to state this as the ConfirmEmail category has few wikis within it. [[User:DEmersonJMFM|DEmersonJMFM]] ([[User talk:DEmersonJMFM|talk]]) 02:20, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

:The above would actually only apply to all wikis that Wikia has disabled [[IP editor|IP editing]] to which should still be quite a few. [[User:DEmersonJMFM|DEmersonJMFM]] ([[User talk:DEmersonJMFM|talk]]) 15:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

==Wikis with "Request Account"==
Like [[The Infosphere]] [https://theinfosphere.org/Special:RequestAccount here].

Is this covered by the other options? Seems to me that it isn't.--[[User:Max Sinister|Max Sinister]] ([[User talk:Max Sinister|talk]]) 15:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
:That will be [[:Category:ConfirmEmail|ConfirmEmail]].  HTH.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|<big>Sean P</big>, <small>''aka'' Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]] / [[Staff]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 19:06, 10 December 2022 (UTC)