User talk:Leucosticte

Spam filter help

You're a wizzo on MW - can you help me with a spam filter problem please? I'm getting The following text is what triggered our spam filter: https://secure when trying to edit an article (though I thought that sysops should be able to automatically by-pass spam filters). I've tried editing our MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist, but without success. Any clues? TIA Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 12:04, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

My regex-fu isn't very good, unfortunately. Leucosticte (talk) 01:18, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

@Sean: Could you give the url you are adding? (without the "https://", so it won't trigger the url blacklist) --YiFei | talk 03:45, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

YiFei, sorry for the late reply, the (non-secure) url is http://secure.travellerspoint.com - it is for the Travellerspoint wiki.

Yikes - even the non-https url is blocked by the spam filter — The following text is what triggered our spam filter: http://secure – try using 'nowikii', hope I can save this edit! Thanks in advance :)))) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

http://secure.travellerspoint.com is now whitelisted. The problem belongs to "cure" part, but I cannot find the cause easily in MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist or meta-wiki:Spam_blacklist --YiFei | talk 14:16, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Article or cat?

here: WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Template:Inactive. You support the keeping of articles, but the discussion is about the keeping of category tags in articles or keeping articles about currently dead Wikis in categories. Please be precise in what You advocate.Manorainjan (talk) 21:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

LogoLinking

Do You have an opinion on that? Please place Your vote on this. Manorainjan (talk) 11:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Would You please explain precisely why You can not support Option 1 or 2?Manorainjan (talk) 12:31, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm just wondering about the details of implementation. Leucosticte (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Did You miss his demonstration on what the Bot is about to do? 10 test edits? Manorainjan (talk)

Why is it not using link= Leucosticte (talk) 14:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Please for clarity's sake give a full example of what You mean. Manorainjan (talk)

What if we did it like this instead? Leucosticte (talk) 14:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand why you want to have the logo (which is uploaded here, and contains any necessary copyright or author info) link to the off-site wiki; when you have a clearly visible 'external link' right next to the logo? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 13:11, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

What do you think the typical user would like or expect to happen when they click on a logo? You might be right, though; I notice that on Wikipedia, even on the main page, when you click an image it takes you to the image page, not the article that the image is about. On the other hand, if you click the logos at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page#Wikipedia.27s_sister_projects it takes you to the wiki, rather than the image page for the logo. Leucosticte (talk) 14:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

This is another discussion! Like here: WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Endless discussions .2F.2F useful work

First the deviations from the common path need to be corrected. Then, after cleaning this and possibly other alterations, new features like the one You suggest, can be implemented by one run of another bot. If we would run a bot now to change the way the click on the logo would lead to, the current deviations might be exempted, creating more diversity in the way things are handled. Sooner or later bot constructions would have to handle a quite confusing amount of exemptions for the tiniest tasks.

Right now it is about how the page links to the logo file, not where the click on the logo leads to. If You call for 'endless' discussion, the linking question will be delayed and Your suggestion would rather not be dealt with at all, because after the finalising of the linking question I would not push Your idea to decision and You have to promote Your advanced cause yourself after everybody got enough of 'endless' discussions already. You may be thinking to make Your life easier by jumping on my train, but I will say You got no ticket and You will end in a place where You did not want to and would have to go back first. ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to do two edits. The bot can envision what the page will look like after making the first edit (rather than actually making that first edit) and then figure out what the second edit would be, and then do it all in one edit. Leucosticte (talk) 15:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ignore what I told and see what happens ...Manorainjan (talk)

Template

Why don't You use that template yourself? Manorainjan (talk) 14:34, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion requests

Hi Nathan, I was just emptying out Category:Pages for deletion and I noticed some of your own images which you nominated for deletion. However, the first one I clicked on is still being used on an existing article! If I do delete this (or any other used image) the article it was being used on will then go into a maintenance category for missing images. Perhaps you can review your reqested deletions, and amend any articles currently using them. Thanks :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 21:35, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, done. Thanks. Leucosticte (talk) 13:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

On Wikipedia we can read: "Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.[1][2] In Moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one’s own expressed moral rules and principles.[3]" In how far is Your behaviour different from that? Please elaborate that on the example that You speak of founding Inclupedia and in deed try Your best to erase all traces of Your former fiancée from all over the internet. Manorainjan (talk) 10:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Even you agreed to delete one of those pages. So why not the others? Leucosticte (talk) 11:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Your argument is imagined. I did not agree. My conclusion there was and is: "Therefore my call is for hiding this entry until verified contact was made to her and her own intentions about this entry are known". Prior I said "Therefore I could see it as in the interest of the original author (Augustine) that those results of the breaches would be removed." I'm not surprised that You count that as agreement to delete. I wonder what she told You when You 'asked' her if the unpermitted publishing of her striptease would be ok? Maybe she answered like: "I think it is not so bad." But surely You can not remember the wording now any more, like all the unpleasant stuff. I used conditional. Conditional is not a yes. Conditional is clearly and unmistakeably a 'no', until the condition is met. The condition is not yet met. And even if the condition is met, it is not automatically a 'yes' until the condition is clearly defined as the only condition. I thought You are kind of fit in programming. But that has shown as a wrong supposition. Now, what I was insinuating under the not yet met condition, was not the deletion of the page, it was my sympathetic feelings for 'them' or their supposed (not actual) intention: "see it as in the interest of the original author (Augustine)". To call this my agreement is far from being true. Maybe You got too much experience with persuasion that You can see clearly any more? Manorainjan (talk)

WikiIndex mails potentially spoofed

You told, that "For some reason, WikiIndex emails are regarded as potentially spoofed.". How did You get to know that? Which entity does regard this mails as potentially spoofed? What I got to know is, that the configuration is kind of queer, because Marks gmail address is used to 'speak' on behalf of wikiindex.org and that the ICANNWikis server is used to transport it. Sure that looks like spoofing. Manorainjan (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Banns

You seam to have rich experiences with banning denial of standard offer requests Was there a reason given in You case? Had there been warning? Manorainjan

It's a very convoluted situation, and at this point the proceedings have become pretty opaque. It is, after all, an ArbCom case, and not one of the formal, publicly-adjudicated litigations either, but the kind that they discuss on their private email list.

I see that there are allegedly "extremely serious" reasons for your indef block. I just have one question. Leucosticte (talk) 16:12, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

You dumped a more or less complete policy on the formerly nearly empty page WikiIndex:Blocking and banning policy. the discussion was, as usual ongoing and 'endless'. Nothing was decided. When Your text sticks on that policy page it looks like valid policy to most, which it is not. I think You should dump that on the associated talk page instead. I think is it quite inappropriate that any user dumps text which has not been decided about via discussion and decision finding on any policy page. Don't You recognize that policy pages are different from all other kind of pages in the way they get written and edited? Talk pages are also special in so far that one should not edit others talk on such pages (except for supportive formatting). Do You see the principal difference between talk pages, articles and policy pages? Manorainjan (talk) 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you fix it up as you see fit my making bold edits? By which I mean, don't just get rid of the content unless you have a substantive rather than procedural objection to it. Leucosticte (talk) 17:38, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiBreak

I wish You a recreating WikiBreak :-)

The solution on the issues You observed are laying in the ongoing exercising of NVC. Manorainjan (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Are You suffering from withdrawal symptoms? ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 15:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I dunno, at this point I'm kinda depressed in general. I think I'm going to start trying some different antidepressants until either my symptoms are relieved or one of them pushes me over the edge into actively suicidal behavior. I have my method ready in case that happens.

I once warned a friend of mine about how Zoloft had "destabilized me and impelled me to take unprecedented steps toward suicide" and he replied, "There are many more still to try, and I feel well prepared for their vagaries by my experience with recreational substances. On balance, and so far, it seems to be worth at least trying some, one by one." He ended up carrying out an apparently psychiatric drug-induced suicide. It never occurred to me till now, that maybe he didn't mind the possibility that the drugs might cause him to kill himself. Leucosticte (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Pills

When I get a headache I never take a pill. I hate headaches, it seriously decreases my performance in quantity and quality. But there is one thing I hate more than headache and that is to remove symptoms. Symptoms are most valuable. I need to have the symptom in order to detect the cause of the problem. The vanishing of the symptom will tell me, that the cause is removed. If I would remove the symptom by using a pill, I would loose the ability to find and remove the cause. I would be lost. The cause would need to create an even stronger symptom in order to be detected and it will. I would need stronger pills in order to suppress the symptoms. A chase to death while increasingly loosing control over the situation.

There is no such thing as an antidepressant. There are chemicals that prevent different kinds of feelings, they disable the ability to feel. There are narcotic substances on different levels, most common alcohol for disabling mental functions on a wide array and to kill unrecoverable brain substance. Pain killers against physical pain and so called antidepressants to suppress subtler feeling to disable higher functions of the mind. They also suppress the ability to feel joy. If You ever found the determination to fight for a higher cause, You would loose that determination after taking antidepressants. That's why so called antidepressants are actually the modern form of depression of the people. More than 30% of adult people in the developed countries are taking prescribed antidepressants. This is not to help people, it is to complement the depressing effect of alcoholism. Alcoholics have never been a danger for the ruling class neither will people taking antidepressants be or pot-smoker.

If You ever want to became a healthy and happy person, You must be ready to bear any pain which You have at the moment and not suppress it. This pain shall be Your incentive to fight for progress of any kind. As much as You can feel pain, You can feel pleasure. Manorainjan (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Template

• Template:W Delete? Categorize?
• Template:Wikt Delete? Categorize?
• Template:Mw Delete? Categorize? Manorainjan (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

New Pages

• What about MediaWiki:Extension
• And are You sure You created MediaWiki extension in the proper namesapace?

Manorainjan (talk) 17:56, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Random shit wiki

Is there a wiki out there, besides on Wikia, where people can post whatever random shit they want in their userspace and not have it be deleted? Leucosticte (talk) 17:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Whatever You like to create, random or not, shit or not, and want to be sure it does not get deleted, You got to do that under Your own controll, on Your very own wiki. So make Yourself a bliki in a WikiFarm. WardsWiki is IP-Editing only. Whatever you do it is not safe there, it might vanish every moment. But on the other hand You will never get banned there, whatever shit You do or post. And mostly folks respect whatever "shit" You post on Your UserPage there. I introduced the TalkPage concept there which decouples HomePage and Talk. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TalkPage. So, HomePage gets left alone even more.

Manorainjan (talk) 23:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Great, I saw You got Your "random shit wiki" online again ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 10:39, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Write something in the "Summary" of Your edits!

Please use the summary field when editing! Manorainjan (talk) 13:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm kinda lazy about that. People are going to look at the diff anyway. Leucosticte (talk) 14:58, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

People have to if You do not supply a summary. Manorainjan (talk)

Lazy as usual?Manorainjan (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

About what? Leucosticte (talk) 18:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

About the topic in the title: Writing something in the Summary of Your edits. Manorainjan (talk)

ChildPorn.info

You should be knowing better ... Manorainjan (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Gotta stand up for freedom of speech. Leucosticte (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

That's not my point. You where making a quite incomplete entry.

• Number of Pages not set
• Still has no category for Year of creation
• Founder not mentioned

I mean, it is Your very own Wiki. You should be able to supply all kind of information about it. Nobody else would know better or more. And you are member of WikiIndex since long. Is the topic really pornography? Now You are saying it is about free speech.... Do You really know what You want? Seems You are sill lacking the mind to make a clear distinction between the abstract and the concrete level. Have You learned anything from the different failures of Your past? Or are You bound to repeat them all? You have repeatedly shown Your inability to work in teams. Why do You think anybody would work with You successfully in the creation and progress of this highly specialised wiki? Is it not an certainty that this project will fail as all the others? Divide and conquer! But how are You to divide anything else than separating Yourself from the crowd? Whom could You possibly conquer, remaining a single mind with hardly any resources? Have You the least chance to withstand the to be expected onslaught by the spammers on this delicious target? Do You miss Your time in jail?Manorainjan (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Is this your way of volunteering to stand with me in solidarity as part of the ChildPorn.info team to help ensure the project's success? Leucosticte (talk) 22:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Certainly not, because I'm convinced of the futility of that idea. Why should I? Have I been even asked about what should or could be done? I rather "volunteer" as incentive for Your rethinking. Or should I say for Your starting to eventually think for the first time? Manorainjan (talk) 23:12, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I make the decisions about what should and can be done, thank you very much. However, you can be one of my lieutenants if you act subservient and sycophantic enough. Leucosticte (talk) 23:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

What have You seen about me that gave You the imagination that such would be a possibility within my lifetime?

I'm going to need a more humble supplication from you if you're going to stand a chance of acceptance to the inner ChildPorn.info circle. Leucosticte (talk) 01:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

If in what You wrote is the least of logic, what did I write that would give reason to fantasize that I got anything near to an inclination to take part in this still-born project? Manorainjan (talk)

It's such an awesome project, who wouldn't want to be part of it? Leucosticte (talk) 21:31, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

WIKI 2

How do You get the idea, that his "Wiki" is based on MediaWiki-Engine? Manorainjan (talk) 22:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

View the source; it has stuff like:

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        "wgNamespaceIds":{"talk":"1","":"0","user_talk":"3","user":"2","wt":"5","project_talk":"5","wikipedia_talk":"5","wp":"4","project":"4","wikipedia":"4","image_talk":"7","file_talk":"7","image":"6","file":"6","mediawiki_talk":"9","mediawiki":"8","education_program_talk":"447","education_program":"446","book":"108","book_talk":"109","portal":"100","portal_talk":"101","template_talk":"11","template":"10","help_talk":"13","help":"12","category_talk":"15","category":"14","special":"-1","media":"-2","draft":"118","draft_talk":"119","timedtext":"710","timedtext_talk":"711","module":"828","module_talk":"829"},        
        "wgScriptPath": "/w",
        "wgScriptExtension": ".php",     
        "AjaxRequestTimeout": 30,
        "wgArticlePath": "/wiki/$1",
        "wgScriptExtension":".php",
        "wgScript":"/w/index.php",
        "wgContentLanguage":"en",
        "wgEnableAPI": true,
        "moreTxt": "Continue"
   
    });    
    mw.messages.set('searchsuggest-search', 'Search');
    mw.messages.set('searchsuggest-containing', 'Containing: ');
    mw.messages.set('searchsuggest-search-page', 'Special:Search');
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Leucosticte (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

This is quite late in the page. What about Tags like <meta name="generator" content="MediaWiki 1.25wmf6". This You can see on the imported page. But what seems to be like MW-code is always part of the WP-page inline, not of the w2 host.

Don't be fooled! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/wiki-2-wikipedia-republis/dbnfdljglikamcdljmffmhfionigapkf "web-proxy WIKI2.ORG" It's not a wiki it's a proxy.Manorainjan (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

What does that mean? Leucosticte (talk) 01:02, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

It's function is to transport and transform, not to edit.Manorainjan (talk) 06:18, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for ServerMove concerns

Hi Leucosticte. Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming ServerMove and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience. Please take a moment to visit ServerMove and curate the list of concerns. Thanks! -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

ASG

What about AssumeGoodFaith? Manorainjan (talk) 19:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Inclusion policy

So Your page got deleted.

Do You know why?

Because You can not single-handedly create policy anywhere else than on Your own wiki. You got to open discussion first and try for consensus. But to whom do I talk? To the one who failed my simple intelligence test ;-)

BTW: You where putting delete request on that AV-software page. Got deleted. You did not try to talk to the author. So, bad KARMA for You ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiIndex needs an inclusion policy. So, I don't know why people didn't boldly edit, or use the talk page to discuss proposed changes. A policy that doesn't yet have support can be tagged as a proposed policy. Leucosticte (talk) 19:37, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Your edits repeatedly and consistently reveal Your lack of understanding that a text is not a text is not a text. Some text is a discussion other text is a document and other is a comment. You straight fail to understand and deal with those differences by falsification of discussion parts and treating document like discussion. You mix it up.

Now the policy needs to be proposed on the talk side of the Wikiindex:page. I nthe front side of this page comes only the result of consensus. And, if You did not know that: A single bird can not create consensus. It needs a flock of birds to do that.

What about BeBold? Leucosticte (talk) 20:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Your question proves that You did not even start to understand the difference. You still mix it up helplessly. Manorainjan (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Enlighten me. How else are we going to end up with an inclusion policy, without people's being bold? You know how the community discussions end up going on endlessly, or else dying out without any decision being made. Leucosticte (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

I conclude from Your question that You might have understood more than You admit but are impatient to get results.

You got to propose a policy on the discussion page and see it through. As long as it takes.... That's what I did with the email-verification problem and prior with the direct linking to logo files. Being patient, hanging on, persisting, not the easiest exercice for bipolars, I know. ;-)