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::: ''maybe no one cares what ''you'' want''? Did you really intend to sound this rude?
::: ''maybe no one cares what ''you'' want''? Did you really intend to sound this rude?
::: ''what ''you'' want the policy of WI to be''? Are you reading the same page I'm reading? From reading this page, phrases like "... standards should be established ..." and "Please keep in mind that these "policies" may change" make it sound like the writer is not trying to push through any particular policy. Rather, it sounds like that writer is curious as to our actual policies, and is pointing out various areas where a clear written policy might be a good idea.
::: ''what ''you'' want the policy of WI to be''? Are you reading the same page I'm reading? From reading this page, phrases like "... standards should be established ..." and "Please keep in mind that these "policies" may change" make it sound like the writer is not trying to push through any particular policy. Rather, it sounds like that writer is curious as to our actual policies, and is pointing out various areas where a clear written policy might be a good idea.
::: ''a disaster. A mess.'' This is a wiki. Therefore, if you see a disaster, please fix it. If a page is unfixable, slap that {{tl|delete}} template at the top. With respect, --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 02:35, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::: ''a disaster. A mess.'' This is a wiki. Therefore, if you see a disaster, please fix it. If a page is unfixable, slap that {{Template|delete}} template at the top. With respect, --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 02:35, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Hi David, "Many editors here came from wiki that didn't have a talk page" - but those of us who have editing wikis that have discussion (talk) pages for years have no way of knowing that.  It's like that "real name goes in the mainspace" thing - had I known that I would have simply used a common pseudonym I employ when I signed up.
::::Hi David, "Many editors here came from wiki that didn't have a talk page" - but those of us who have editing wikis that have discussion (talk) pages for years have no way of knowing that.  It's like that "real name goes in the mainspace" thing - had I known that I would have simply used a common pseudonym I employ when I signed up.
::::"maybe no one cares what ''you'' want"  I'm looking for where I said that, was it the edit comment?  Yeah, sorry, that Lummykin guy gets on my tits with his often incomprehensible approach.
::::"maybe no one cares what ''you'' want"  I'm looking for where I said that, was it the edit comment?  Yeah, sorry, that Lummykin guy gets on my tits with his often incomprehensible approach.
::::I guess part of the "disaster/mess" comment is a result of my being involved in working out policy pages on their respective talk pages on a wiki that is more active than this one.  We used a draft version in the project page, and headers in the talk page that made it clear what was being discussed in each section, and it worked well, and left a clear record behind of how the project page came to say what it says.  I guess you guys are just used to working in a way that seems very foreign to me.  Where might I find more information about this mode of working? Oh, and where is this "original wiki" I keep reading about? Best regards, [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 17:06, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I guess part of the "disaster/mess" comment is a result of my being involved in working out policy pages on their respective talk pages on a wiki that is more active than this one.  We used a draft version in the project page, and headers in the talk page that made it clear what was being discussed in each section, and it worked well, and left a clear record behind of how the project page came to say what it says.  I guess you guys are just used to working in a way that seems very foreign to me.  Where might I find more information about this mode of working? Oh, and where is this "original wiki" I keep reading about? Best regards, [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 17:06, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Is there something stopping you from going to [[WikiIndex talk:Blocking Policy|an official policy discussion page]] and doing what you suggest? Or is mine just a bit '''too interesting for Huw to resist''' ;-)? [[User:Lumenos|Lunemos]] 15:01, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Is there something stopping you from going to [[WikiIndex talk:Blocking and banning policy|an official policy discussion page]] and doing what you suggest? Or is mine just a bit '''too interesting for Huw to resist''' ;-)? [[User:Lumenos|Lunemos]] 15:01, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::What I find lacking in say, Wikipedia's policies:  
:::::What I find lacking in say, Wikipedia's policies:  
:::::*No reliable sources, for their claims. It's a policy about what some powerful editors would ''like'' "the policy" to be. Doesn't necessarily reflect how the machine actually functions. Which brings me to my next point. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:03, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::*No reliable sources, for their claims. It's a policy about what some powerful editors would ''like'' "the policy" to be. Doesn't necessarily reflect how the machine actually functions. Which brings me to my next point. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:03, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
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: Dear WikiIndex editors,
: Dear WikiIndex editors,
: Huw Powell's suggestion to ''"find areas that people agree on"'' and ''"used a draft version in the project page"'' sounds like a good idea. So I moved discussion from the main page to the talk page at [[WikiIndex:Blocking Policy]] ( [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3ABlocking_Policy&diff=68678&oldid=67723] ).
: Huw Powell's suggestion to ''"find areas that people agree on"'' and ''"used a draft version in the project page"'' sounds like a good idea. So I moved discussion from the main page to the talk page at [[WikiIndex:Blocking and banning policy]] ( [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex%3ABlocking_Policy&diff=68678&oldid=67723] ).
: Should we do the same "move discussion to talk page" with this [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]] page? Should we merge [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies]] into this talk page also? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:41, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
: Should we do the same "move discussion to talk page" with this [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]] page? Should we merge [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies]] into this talk page also? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 09:41, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
::Parts of [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies]] might work for this talk page but I mixed policy proposals with observations of the administration and editors. I'm gonna separate all that. I'm really confused as to what policies are currently in force and what role I am being permitted or invited, to play here. I'm attempting to minimize drawing attention to myself, by editing for WikiIndex off-site, and so that I can post things after I have had more time to develop them. Then I will post the policy proposals as subpages of this talk page. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 18:36, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
::Parts of [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies]] might work for this talk page but I mixed policy proposals with observations of the administration and editors. I'm gonna separate all that. I'm really confused as to what policies are currently in force and what role I am being permitted or invited, to play here. I'm attempting to minimize drawing attention to myself, by editing for WikiIndex off-site, and so that I can post things after I have had more time to develop them. Then I will post the policy proposals as subpages of this talk page. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 18:36, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
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==Previous contents were moved==
==Previous contents were moved==
The above discussion is relevant to the content of the project page before Dilley "seconded" Bob suggestion of replacing the page with a sentence. It was very long and many prolific editors and administrators commented on it. Dilley has asked that I slow down, but I may be permitted to develop the page further. It can now be found at [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex policies (and drama)]] ~~ [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:03, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
The above discussion is relevant to the content of the project page before Dilley "seconded" Bob suggestion of replacing the page with a sentence. It was very long and many prolific editors and administrators commented on it. Dilley has asked that I slow down, but I may be permitted to develop the page further. It can now be found at [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies]] ~~ [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 11:03, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:While I am flattered that my comments now grace the project page, it is possible that a little more consideration might have been in order before they were unilaterally imposed.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 14:05, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:While I am flattered that my comments now grace the project page, it is possible that a little more consideration might have been in order before they were unilaterally imposed.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 14:05, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well, is it better than before? I don't aim for perfection, only improvement. I plan to merge in administrative comments from the original. I'm not really sure what you or Dilley want, but feel free to revert, merge, or do whatever. Any "unilateral" edit in a wiki is subject to peer review and alteration. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:03, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well, is it better than before? I don't aim for perfection, only improvement. I plan to merge in administrative comments from the original. I'm not really sure what you or Dilley want, but feel free to revert, merge, or do whatever. Any "unilateral" edit in a wiki is subject to peer review and alteration. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:03, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
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