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This is no longer an edit mode, but is directly in [[:Category:Browse]] - needs to be cleaned up. See [[:Category:Unknown]] to help. | This is no longer an edit mode, but is directly in [[:Category:Browse]] - needs to be cleaned up. See [[:Category:Unknown]] to help. | ||
==ByInvitation and | ==ByInvitation and Read-only== | ||
Do these really need to be seperate? If [[sysop]]s can edit [[:Category: | Do these really need to be seperate? If [[sysop]]s can edit [[:Category:Read-only|Read-only]] wikis, aren't those also [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]], by definition? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:34, 7 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
''I think there is a very big difference between | ''I think there is a very big difference between | ||
# (a) a [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a [[ | # (a) a [[WhatIsWiki|wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a [[username]] and within minutes, without any human approval, immediately start to [[edit]] -- that's what [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] means, right ? -- vs. | ||
# (b) a [[wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a user name, and after some human approves it (perhaps within a day or so), can start to edit, -- vs. | # (b) a [[wiki]] where any random person can "register" with a user name, and after some human approves it (perhaps within a day or so), can start to edit, -- vs. | ||
# (c) a wiki where only the [[Sysop]] and perhaps a few people the Sysop has selected ahead of time can edit, one that does not give any email address or other way for outsiders to register. | # (c) a wiki where only the [[Sysop]] and perhaps a few people the Sysop has selected ahead of time can edit, one that does not give any email address or other way for outsiders to register. | ||
''The word "invitation" in "ByInvitation" implies (c). Type (c) and [[:Category: | ''The word "invitation" in "ByInvitation" implies (c). Type (c) and [[:Category:Read-only|Read-only]] wiki are effectively the same, to outsiders like me.'' | ||
''What do I use to tag type (b) wiki?'' | ''What do I use to tag type (b) wiki?'' | ||
''I would like a better name for type (b) wiki. RegisterToEdit, HumanApprovedApplicationToEdit, ... surely there's a better name? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:55, 8 December 2006 (EST)'' | ''I would like a better name for type (b) wiki. RegisterToEdit, HumanApprovedApplicationToEdit, ... surely there's a better name? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:55, 8 December 2006 (EST)'' | ||
: no, when for example the database is locked at a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] wiki, I don't think sysops can edit it. (I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong) so when it's | : no, when for example the database is locked at a [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] wiki, I don't think sysops can edit it. (I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong) so when it's Read-only, no one can edit it (I think), but [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]] it's editable by eveyone, who been invited. (gee I'm not good at explaining stuff.) – [[Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 04:53, 9 December 2006 (EST) | ||
:: We discussed all of this a long time ago, and if we didn't document well our thinking at the time, I suppose we're left with David's questions. :-) Let me see if I can describe how I see things. At first, we had many different [[Special:Categories|categories]] then we eventually collapsed down to [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]]. Definitely (a) above means [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]]. I'm almost certain that type (c) would be [[:Category: | :: We discussed all of this a long time ago, and if we didn't document well our thinking at the time, I suppose we're left with David's questions. :-) Let me see if I can describe how I see things. At first, we had many different [[Special:Categories|categories]] then we eventually collapsed down to [[:Category:ByInvitation|ByInvitation]]. Definitely (a) above means [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]]. I'm almost certain that type (c) would be [[:Category:Read-only|Read-only]] for us, because there's no way to know who's allowed to edit when you come upon a wiki like this. All you can see is that there's no way to edit, no way to login and no way to register or apply for a login. So that's how we've been using Read-only. Smiddle's "lockdown" scenario isn't specifically addressed, but that would be Read-only as well. We're currently using ByInvitation to mean any wiki where you have to register by some publically available means, and a human has to approve you. If that needs some other name, feel free to propose one. That would be fine with me, if ByInvitation isn't cutting it. We discussed it for a long time, but I see no reason to change if there's a term that's more clear. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:51, 9 December 2006 (EST) | ||
::: I think it is wrong for us to tell people "you're not welcome at that wiki", when those people actually are welcome at that wiki. So I want to change "ByInvitation" to some other term. | ::: I think it is wrong for us to tell people "you're not welcome at that wiki", when those people actually are welcome at that wiki. So I want to change "ByInvitation" to some other term. | ||
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[[Wiki]] moderation capability varies very widely, and many wiki administrators are very very stupid. The vast majority of wikis are killed by arbitrary and capricious behaviour that convinces willing editors that their work won't be respected, and no one cares to consult them on important changes to policy. The flipside of wiki is that while you get free [[:Category:Open content|open content]] contributed, the contributors will disappear if you don't cut the right balance between redirecting out-of-scope concerns elsewhere and letting the contributors decide, or if you don't cut the right balance between pleasing the old trolls and helping new ones. <span style="font-size:smaller" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[WikiIndex:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.177.72.113|142.177.72.113]] ([[User talk:142.177.72.113|talk]]) 22:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> | [[Wiki]] moderation capability varies very widely, and many wiki administrators are very very stupid. The vast majority of wikis are killed by arbitrary and capricious behaviour that convinces willing editors that their work won't be respected, and no one cares to consult them on important changes to policy. The flipside of wiki is that while you get free [[:Category:Open content|open content]] contributed, the contributors will disappear if you don't cut the right balance between redirecting out-of-scope concerns elsewhere and letting the contributors decide, or if you don't cut the right balance between pleasing the old trolls and helping new ones. <span style="font-size:smaller" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[WikiIndex:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.177.72.113|142.177.72.113]] ([[User talk:142.177.72.113|talk]]) 22:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> | ||
== | ==Pay to edit?== | ||
Just noticed [[OneBuckWiki]] listed at WikiIndex, looks like there some websites calling themselves wikis where you have to pay before you can edit them. Should these pay-to-edit "wikis" be listed at WikiIndex? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 16:34, 17 December 2007 (EST) | Just noticed [[OneBuckWiki]] listed at WikiIndex, looks like there some websites calling themselves wikis where you have to pay before you can edit them. Should these pay-to-edit "wikis" be listed at WikiIndex? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 16:34, 17 December 2007 (EST) | ||
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: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 04:25, 19 December 2007 (EST) | : --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 04:25, 19 December 2007 (EST) | ||
How about adding | How about adding Pay to edit as a sixth category of [[:Category:Wiki Edit Mode|Wiki Edit Mode]]? (I don't like the idea of those pay-to-edit wikis lurking around in the LoginToEdit category.) --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 14:56, 19 January 2008 (EST) | ||
: I would suggest, these wikis could be moved from [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] to [[:Category: | : I would suggest, these wikis could be moved from [[:Category:LoginToEdit|LoginToEdit]] to [[:Category:Pay to edit|Pay to edit]], maybe with some words on this odd idea "pay-to-edit". Regards --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 15:08, 20 January 2008 (EST) | ||
I expect to find useful things here - not advertisers and [[spam]]mers. By listing things like "[[OneBuckWiki]]" we only promote advertisment bullshit and help them making money! This doesn't help the users to find useful wikis. Instead we should for example have a useful structure (e.g. categorisation) that helps finding things here...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 03:18, 12 February 2008 (EST) | I expect to find useful things here - not advertisers and [[spam]]mers. By listing things like "[[OneBuckWiki]]" we only promote advertisment bullshit and help them making money! This doesn't help the users to find useful wikis. Instead we should for example have a useful structure (e.g. categorisation) that helps finding things here...--[[User:Speckmade|Speckmade]] 03:18, 12 February 2008 (EST) | ||
: ''Hi, I think that a [[:Category: | : ''Hi, I think that a [[:Category:Pay to edit|Pay to edit]] category would be a useful tool to express what we think is valuable about [[wiki]]. I do agree with Speckmade that we should figure out how to barnraise some category work around here, (feeling guilty). I would like to get folks together for an hour or two to trim down the [[WikiProject:Wikis to Add|Wikis to Add]] - anyone interested? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:: I agree that we should make categories that are "not surprising" to our readers. | :: I agree that we should make categories that are "not surprising" to our readers. | ||
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What about a "SaveAfterPreview" category for wikis such as [[MARJORIE-WIKI]]? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:23, 12 March 2010 (EST) | What about a "SaveAfterPreview" category for wikis such as [[MARJORIE-WIKI]]? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:23, 12 March 2010 (EST) | ||
:Now created - [[:Category:SaveAfterPreview]]. If any know of other wikis operating on this principle, please populate this new category by amending the appropriate field in the relevant article Wiki template, thanks. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:43, 2 October 2012 (PDT) | :Now created - [[:Category:SaveAfterPreview]]. If any know of other wikis operating on this principle, please populate this new category by amending the appropriate field in the relevant article Wiki template, thanks. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 23:43, 2 October 2012 (PDT) | ||
::I think SaveAfterPreview is more of a anti-spam throttling [[:Category: | ::I think SaveAfterPreview is more of a anti-spam throttling [[:Category:great feature|feature]] then a truly unique edit mode worthy of being in this category. If a wiki is "fundamentally the same as OpenEdit" then it's edit mode should be listed as OpenEdit. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''' 3 October 2012 | ||
==When it differs by namespace== | ==When it differs by namespace== | ||