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We have to add some templates for having default parameters for URLs and Logo
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* [[Template:WikiURL Property]]
==No Logo==
called from soon coming [[Template:Wiki]] as {{WikiURL Property}}
When I click on the "no logo" logo, I do not go to the wiki in question. I'm thinking that's a bug. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:38, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
* [[Template:WikiLogo Property]]
:Yes, this is a bug, I added it to the todo section in the template page. --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 13:20, 26 October 2006 (EDT)
called from soon coming [[Template:Wiki]] as {{WikiLogo Property|{{{wiki_logo}}}}}
* [[Template:WikiRC Property]]
called from soon coming [[Template:Wiki]] as  {{WikiRC Property|{{{wiki_recentchanges_URL}}}}}
* [[Template:WikiNode Property]]
called from soon coming [[Template:Wiki]] as  {{WikiNode Property|{{{wiki_wikinode_URL}}}}}
see wiki source for code. (I'm working on it, please dont touch any of them) --[[User:Peu|Peu]] 05:55, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
: oh, I'm too stupid (I give up)! Has anybody suggestions to it? --[[User:Peu|Peu]] 06:06, 19 October 2006 (EDT)


== UnknownWikiNode ==
==Make parallel==
What will be better for "wiki-property-values" [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Template:Wiki/suggestion&diff=prev&oldid=32900]?
* common link captions
: the links are correct, the caption should not repeat the category, because the property name contains this already (in my opinion "Unknown" is more readible)
* link captions with the same name as the category they link to
: this is the original naming convention...of course


zomg, why isn't it working? &ndash; [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Search/Smiddle|S]]&middot;[[Special:Allpages/Smiddle|A]]</small> 15:28, 20 October 2006 (EDT)
...further considerations YourWikiName is a pseudo-category that should only be used in the [[Template:Wiki boilerplate|wiki-boilerplate]]. With the [[Template:If]] (or future mechanisms) we could hide the "Your"s, show the "Unknown"s and link to the appropriate categories. Btw: in the [[Template:Wiki/suggestion]] there are errors: they have to "includeonly" the Unknown-categories, otherwise the templatepage itself is included into categories = not very usably to wikiindex readers (we have to check all the tamplates against this error). I'll fix it (at least for wiki/suggest.) --[[User:Peu|Peu]] 02:56, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
:Ah, now it does. &ndash; [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Search/Smiddle|S]]&middot;[[Special:Allpages/Smiddle|A]]</small> 15:31, 20 October 2006 (EDT)
: ''I would suggest:''
: the '''entries on top''' of the template box right to the logo (user view):
:* url
:* recent_changes
: etc.
:should be displayed as
:* unknown url
:* unknown recent_changes
:etc.
: but the '''paired items''' later:
:* status active
:* edit_mode open_edit
: etc.
:should be displayed as
:* status unknown
:* edit_mode unknown
:etc.
:Don't misunderstand me, the links are more specific then the displayed texrt
:--[[User:Peu|Peu]] 04:51, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
 
:: I didn't like the text "Unknown" repeated over and over because I believe the reader will have a tendency not to notice these are actually different fields that can be edited.  I believe we want them to appear visually different from each other.  And yes, I do understand that we're talking only about the display text, not about the specific categories themselves, which are okay as they are.  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 09:00, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
 
:: By the way, YourWikiStatus, YourWikiTopic, etc, have been seperate categories because they tell us that this item hasn't been reviewed by an editor.  If an editor moves YourWikiLanguage to Unknown language, this tells us that we need someone that knows languages to review it.  Those in YourWikiLanguage could very well be English, but the person entering that page didn't enter that information. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 09:00, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
 
::: Both reasons seem reasonable, it's equal to me, but for the unknown captions I would prefer "(unknown wiki language)" to "UnknownWikiLanguage" etc. What do you think? --[[User:Peu|Peu]] 17:04, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
 
:: I don't mind the "unknown wiki language" way of writing it. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:37, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
::: I don't understand (insufficient English) --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 17:29, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
:: Right now we're using "Unknown language".  You suggested "unknown wiki language" as an alternative.  I support that. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:56, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
::: Ah, yes, I remember: I wanted to provide a more readable caption for the category. --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 18:00, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
 
==Unknown cats must not appear==
If the template appears in any unknown cat, the visiting user will be confused unnessesarily. --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 16:35, 27 October 2006 (EDT)
 
==Statistics?action=raw==
This way the statistics cannot be used in Wiki/2, don't know why, if I use
<nowiki>|statistics URL= http://www.WikiQuickFacts.com/index.php/Special:Statistics?action=raw</nowiki>
I see nothing but white space, whereas
<nowiki>|statistics URL= http://www.WikiQuickFacts.com/index.php/Special:Statistics</nowiki>
works. What is wrong here? --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 17:11, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
 
==Interwiki link==
What is the benefit of [[interwiki]] links? --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:44, 30 October 2006 (EST)
:Some of the wikis' got interwiki links from here. We could display them there so that users know they can interlink there. If you want an interwiki link, contact me or John. (I do not know if all wikis are acceptanble, but most probably are)<span title="Swedish n-dash FTW!">&ndash;</span> [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 02:52, 30 October 2006 (EST)
::I thought InterWiki as wiki internal shortcuts, we at WikiIndex could benefit from it, but visitors looking up wikis, do they need ''our interwiki shortcuts''? Maybe I'm not understanding yet. --[[Wolf Peuker|Peu]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 03:05, 30 October 2006 (EST)
:::Maybe if they want to link topics or something... I don't really know... <span title="Swedish n-dash FTW!">&ndash;</span> [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:Smiddle|T]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/Smiddle|C]]&middot;[[Special:Emailuser/Smiddle|@]]</small> 03:41, 30 October 2006 (EST)
 
Unless a clear benefit can be demonstrated, let's not add additional categories to the structured data.  Please.  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:17, 30 October 2006 (EST)
 
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When I click on the "no logo" logo, I do not go to the wiki in question. I'm thinking that's a bug. TedErnst | talk 18:38, 25 October 2006 (EDT)

Yes, this is a bug, I added it to the todo section in the template page. --Peu | talk 13:20, 26 October 2006 (EDT)

Make parallel[edit]

What will be better for "wiki-property-values" [1]?

  • common link captions
the links are correct, the caption should not repeat the category, because the property name contains this already (in my opinion "Unknown" is more readible)
  • link captions with the same name as the category they link to
this is the original naming convention...of course

...further considerations YourWikiName is a pseudo-category that should only be used in the wiki-boilerplate. With the Template:If (or future mechanisms) we could hide the "Your"s, show the "Unknown"s and link to the appropriate categories. Btw: in the Template:Wiki/suggestion there are errors: they have to "includeonly" the Unknown-categories, otherwise the templatepage itself is included into categories = not very usably to wikiindex readers (we have to check all the tamplates against this error). I'll fix it (at least for wiki/suggest.) --Peu 02:56, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

I would suggest:
the entries on top of the template box right to the logo (user view):
  • url
  • recent_changes
etc.
should be displayed as
  • unknown url
  • unknown recent_changes
etc.
but the paired items later:
  • status active
  • edit_mode open_edit
etc.
should be displayed as
  • status unknown
  • edit_mode unknown
etc.
Don't misunderstand me, the links are more specific then the displayed texrt
--Peu 04:51, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
I didn't like the text "Unknown" repeated over and over because I believe the reader will have a tendency not to notice these are actually different fields that can be edited. I believe we want them to appear visually different from each other. And yes, I do understand that we're talking only about the display text, not about the specific categories themselves, which are okay as they are. TedErnst | talk 09:00, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
By the way, YourWikiStatus, YourWikiTopic, etc, have been seperate categories because they tell us that this item hasn't been reviewed by an editor. If an editor moves YourWikiLanguage to Unknown language, this tells us that we need someone that knows languages to review it. Those in YourWikiLanguage could very well be English, but the person entering that page didn't enter that information. TedErnst | talk 09:00, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
Both reasons seem reasonable, it's equal to me, but for the unknown captions I would prefer "(unknown wiki language)" to "UnknownWikiLanguage" etc. What do you think? --Peu 17:04, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
I don't mind the "unknown wiki language" way of writing it. TedErnst | talk 18:37, 21 October 2006 (EDT)
I don't understand (insufficient English) --Peu | talk 17:29, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
Right now we're using "Unknown language". You suggested "unknown wiki language" as an alternative. I support that. TedErnst | talk 17:56, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
Ah, yes, I remember: I wanted to provide a more readable caption for the category. --Peu | talk 18:00, 25 October 2006 (EDT)

Unknown cats must not appear[edit]

If the template appears in any unknown cat, the visiting user will be confused unnessesarily. --Peu | talk 16:35, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

Statistics?action=raw[edit]

This way the statistics cannot be used in Wiki/2, don't know why, if I use

|statistics URL= http://www.WikiQuickFacts.com/index.php/Special:Statistics?action=raw

I see nothing but white space, whereas

|statistics URL= http://www.WikiQuickFacts.com/index.php/Special:Statistics

works. What is wrong here? --Peu | talk 17:11, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

Interwiki link[edit]

What is the benefit of interwiki links? --Peu | talk 02:44, 30 October 2006 (EST)

Some of the wikis' got interwiki links from here. We could display them there so that users know they can interlink there. If you want an interwiki link, contact me or John. (I do not know if all wikis are acceptanble, but most probably are) Smiddle / T·C·@ 02:52, 30 October 2006 (EST)
I thought InterWiki as wiki internal shortcuts, we at WikiIndex could benefit from it, but visitors looking up wikis, do they need our interwiki shortcuts? Maybe I'm not understanding yet. --Peu | talk 03:05, 30 October 2006 (EST)
Maybe if they want to link topics or something... I don't really know... Smiddle / T·C·@ 03:41, 30 October 2006 (EST)

Unless a clear benefit can be demonstrated, let's not add additional categories to the structured data. Please. TedErnst | talk 11:17, 30 October 2006 (EST)