User talk:Hoof Hearted

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Can't seem to sign up

Hey there. Sorry to bother you, but you were the first active administrator I saw.

I've been trying to create an account for awhile but I keep getting this error message "Failed to connect to smtp.mandrillapp.com:587 [SMTP: Failed to connect socket: Connection refused (code: -1, response: )]". I've tried using multiple devices but it keeps up. Any idea how I can fix that and create my account? Or are accounts unable to be created nowadays? Thanks in advanced.

Here's my email if that's needed: [email protected] 71.71.54.95 12:54, 20 January 2018 (PST)

Hello, and thanks for reaching out. Can you please confirm that you are using Special:RequestAccount in order to create a user account here on WikiIndex? All sections need to be completed, and crucially, a valid and functional e-mail address is required. Should any e-mail not be valid, the registration process will fail. I see you are using a Yahoo account - whilst we have had some successful Yahoo registrations, I am aware that Yahoo accounts can be auto-blocked. This is common throughout many differing internet sites, and is not unique to WikiIndex. Perhaps you could consider a Gmail account, as these always validate successfully. I would also like to advise that we still allow both editing of existing articles and creation of new articles as an IP editor (without creating an account). Please let me know if you require further assistance. Best regards. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 13:10, 20 January 2018 (PST)

Thanks for replying. Sorry or the lack of details on my end.

-Yes, I used Special:RequestAccount on both my laptop and mobile device with the same error.

-All sections were completely and filled out. I didn't get the same error message wen I missed a field, so those weren't the issue.

-I tried using both my Yahoo and Gmail email, to no avail.

I suppose I'll just edit as an anon for now, I'll try to make an account in a week or so. Again, thanks for the help, I appreciate it.71.71.54.95 13:40, 21 January 2018 (PST)

Hug

Just a hug and missing you too HH Love TeraS (talk) 17:04, 2 February 2018 (PST)

Awww, thanks <blushes>. Hope you are well. x Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 17:28, 2 February 2018 (PST)

IRC

Sorry, was sleeping when you messaged me. But hi :) --YiFei | talk 21:44, 5 July 2018 (PDT)

No problem - we all need to sleep! I miss your expertise here, wish you could find time for us.  :-) --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 02:25, 6 July 2018 (PDT)

Now I'm mostly doing tech stuffs over at Wikimedia. Anything buggy here? --YiFei | talk 23:29, 6 July 2018 (PDT)

Hey

Almost all of my wikis were lost in a burglary.

So what category should pages like Kings Wiki (en) go in? Dead, I guess? Leucosticte (talk) 18:09, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Well that is a dire situation. Any unwelcome 'guests' who do that kind of thing are just low-life - they don't have the balls to air their disagreements with you personally, but take the chickens way of trashing you, and your elderly and infirm parents. Please make sure you update your home security. Maybe get consider getting a Rottweiler or two! They are incredibly loyal, and soft towards their owners, but can be highly effective at inflicting serious pain on intruders!

As for your wikis, I am guessing you didn't backup their databases? Have you checked Archive.org and / or archive.is? It looks like Dead is the most appropriate.

Stay safe, best. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 20:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, this is kind of an epochal change; Nathania was originally created in 2012, and countless hours were spent adding content to it over the years; and we are now basically in the post-Nathania era.

There's now not really anything left for anyone to try to steal or sabotage in the house (and if there were, they might still be hesitant to do so, since I'm now on the alert that people are willing to go to those lengths). They pretty much accomplished what seems to have been their goal, which was to get rid of my sites, or otherwise set me back, or silence me. These days, I just post on obscure forums.

My backups existed on physical drives that were taken. I might have some really old versions of some databases on other drives that are lying around, but I don't know if I want to bother with it at this point. I've been having trouble finding a good free speech webhost now that I've been kicked off of DreamHost. Leucosticte (talk) 09:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

i requesting a account

hello, i want to create/request account, but i cannot, please can you help me please, but i do not want personal biography, and here is the details i want in my account:

• username: psl85
• email to send details and password: [email protected]
• real name: philip
• i have read and understand Wikiindex:Terms of Service? Yes
• Other things: I would use the "monobook" skin instead of the "vector" skin, default items to show by default in recent changes, histories, and logs: 200, and i want to use the old classic edit toolbar instead of the enhanced, and please notify me on my IPs talk page while this is done.

Please can you create that account? 46.227.72.94 11:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Can you tell me why Special:RequestAccount isn't an option for you? Koavf (talk) 23:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Koavf – there are major errors / problems with our software installation. I raised the issue here over a month ago.

46.227.72.94 – we do require a small level of vetting, hence the need for a brief biography when requesting an account. Can you please advise what other wikis you are active on, and your reasons for wanting to join WikiIndex? Thanks. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 23:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

The Special:RequestAccount page requires a personal biography, I do not want to add one, and I would use account to edit instead of IP, because I want to use the monobook skin instead of Vector skin, and the enhanced toolbar want I not to use and instead use the old classic toolbar, and if the biography is required, please briefly describe it, is it ok? 46.227.72.94 16:34, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

i used the request account page, but get error while try to submit the request, please can you create the account for me please? -46.227.72.94

You are globally blocked on ALL Wikimedia Foundation wikis for "cross-wiki abuse" - TWICE. You have pestered to overturn your block! You clearly do not respect established principles of good wiki behaviour, and you have failed to provide perfectly reasonable requested information. Why should we at WikiIndex create an account for you? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 13:10, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Here on the WikiIndex, while reading, I would use the monobook skin instead of the vector, and use old editing toolbar instead of the beta enhanced, and also use css to customize instead of default settings, this is the reason for i want account here, please, hoof harted -46.227.72.94

The global ban was made by the stupid user called "sv:user:tegel", from sv wikipedia, and while he blocked me first time hate I him. i try to not vandalize here and not write nonsense/junk, or i will be banned here, -- 46.227.72.94 14:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Moving Templates

• Template:JurisPedia/WikiFactor -> Template:JurisPedia/wikiFactor
• Template:Psiram/WikiFactor -> Template:Psiram/wikiFactor pls --5.83.136.21 18:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Consider it done with pleasure! Appreciate your input here on WikiIndex. :-)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 18:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Technical problem

Please have a look here: Wiki Status - Topic "Technical problem" --5.83.136.21 22:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Great suggestion, answered at Category talk:Wiki Status#Technical problem. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 13:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Have another look there for an additional suggestion. --5.83.136.21 00:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Site Down

Sorry for the interruption, I think we got it sorted Raymond King | talk

Thanks Ray, do we know what caused it? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 20:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

There was a missing database table, so we think either a plug in was installed or a function was used for a prior plug in which required that table. So we created the table and that should take care of it. We don't have a clearer explanation unfortunately. Raymond King | talk

Pages for deletion

Hi, please review Category:Pages for deletion and delete those pages. Several pages have accumulated during the absence of the administrators. Thanks. --Usa11 (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Good day, thanks for welcoming me. I created a new user page so that's okay, thanks anyway for the proposal. For the wikis that I have marked as to be deleted, they are all unreachable through archive sites such as archive.org, so the actual existence of those wikis is questioned. --Usa11 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Account

I requested an account. Could you please accept it? 172.26.12.237 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello 172.26.12.237. Can you please advise me the username you used for requesting a new account? Thanks. --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 19:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

That would be "MJL" :) 172.26.12.237 22:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Now approved. Welcome to WikiIndex

Please delete

Hey HH! Could you please delete Category:Pedosexuality?

Thanks! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

✓ Done --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 09:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

incels dot wiki vs incelwiki.com

incels dot wiki was legitimately stolen from the creators and main writers of the material itself, (this is a moderated wiki with only like 3-4 particularly active users ever) and since it was stolen, at least one writer (Wizard32) has put on very sketchy URLs on at least one page of incels dot wiki, which they haven't removed for months. They host it on their server, which also hosts a site of theirs which we've found is under heavy investigation by law enforcement. They own sanctionedsuicide and we shouldn't be advertising anything on their servers imho.

• https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2021/06/07/site-blocked-for-helping-youngsters-to-kill-themselves_da6fbf6d-8b7f-414d-ab43-d32026479077.html. "Site blocked for helping youngsters to kill themselves"
• "Rome prosecutors on Monday blocked an Internet site that hosted a community created to help young people to kill themselves following a probe into the recent suicides of two Italian teenagers. The community on the Sanctioned Suicide site had 17,000 members from all over the world."
• https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/incels-suicide-forum-woman-killed-herself
• "Incels Are Running An Online Suicide Forum That Was Blamed For A Young Woman’s Death" "Marquis [aka 'Master/Randy'] told BuzzFeed News on Wednesday that he and his cofounder are both incels and founded sites such as Incels.co, Incels Wiki, Looksmax.me, the Manosphere, and Blackpill.online."

This is not a group I would trust as a source on even their own sites Following reports of minors on their sanctionedsuicide.com (now sanctioned-suicide.org) dying, Epik dropped all their sites, followed by what seems to be Tucows or Njalla. Years ago it was Afilias that dropped all their sites.

• https://fixthe26.com/sanctioned-suicide-dot-com-is-teaching-children-how-to-end-their-own-lives/
• "Sanctioned Suicide dot Com Is Teaching CHILDREN How To End Their Own Lives"
• "The SanctionedSuicide.com web site is currently providing forum-based coaching, advice, and detailed instructions about how to commit suicide … TO CHILDREN. The site operators and supporters claim that access to the site is denied to anyone under the age of 18. However, a recent survey of the membership clearly shows that approximately 5-8 percent of the membership is under the age of 18. Even a cursory examination of the site clearly demonstrates that the site operators and members are well aware that there are minors using the site. They continue to advise and coach these minors on how to end their own lives."
• https://fixthe26.com/suicide-prevention-town-hall-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives/
• https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/that-was-the-gun-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives?fbclid=IwAR0Hx6Xa3SI5PI1ZlIV621ZXpFGGzCipsL6C6hGsVTjLqy8QO93rVTH9JSI "Suicide Prevention Town Hall: Parents say website coached kids to take their own lives" "SAN ANTONIO – Parents whose children were already struggling with depression believe one website pushed them over the edge and actually coached them to take their own lives. The Trouble Shooters are taking you inside the battle to get the website shut down. We don’t take sharing this story lightly, but parents do need to know what their children have access to online."
• Suicide Prevention Town Hall: Parents say website coached kids to take their own lives https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/that-was-the-gun-parents-say-website-coached-kids-to-take-their-own-lives?fbclid=IwAR0Hx6Xa3SI5PI1ZlIV621ZXpFGGzCipsL6C6hGsVTjLqy8QO93rVTH9JSI

"In the United States, anyone under the age of 18 is legally a minor. There is no ambiguity here. These are children, the site operators, and members know it, yet continue to discuss the act of suicide in great detail as if they are above or beyond both legal or moral reach." --owner of fixthe26th

I don't think we should be advertising any sites on their server, especially considering what seem to be sketchy URLs on .wiki rn that was added by a writer after they stole it. The owners of those sites call themselves 'master' and 'sergeantincel', they own incels.is (formerly incels.co/incels.me)/sanctionedsuicide etc, and have been dropped by multiple registrars.

Which is why I moved the article I wrote to .com. We have nothing to do with incels.is and their sites/wikis. They just let us use a mediawiki installation for a year until they hijacked it. They lorded it over us the entire time and always tried to push sociopathy on the wiki. We created their "general disclaimer" ourselves, and also individually released under CC on our talk pages so they couldn't have them claim we weren't who we were after the new domain. Since we released under CC individually on talk pages, we aren't pursuing legal options against .wiki but we do have discord records of them claiming that we owned it. (Discord allows exports of private conservations, and retains deleted messages) But .wiki is mostly inactive compared to .com, and is dramatically smaller as well. It's our wiki stuck in 2018 plus garbage they added after they banned everyone. .com also has 5 languages. 14:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sources:

• https://web.archive.org/web/20200518180809/https:/twitter.com/IncelsCo/status/1262271865093083140
• https://archive.fo/bK1Tv
• http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11311 ("William at the Incel Wiki, who is the admin of it, is Willwill0415 (T-C-L) on Wikipedia and Neiltyson1fan on RationalWiki.") --> William moved to .com over a year ago William Lupinacci (talk) 14:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

If you still want to keep incels.wiki on, can we have our own page? We also run a huge wiki farm and can add our others, most of which have nothing to do with incels William Lupinacci (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) William Lupinacci (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Semantics on pages

Thanks for all your great work: I'm glad to see you taking ownership around here again. Of course, I'm here to complain but on pages like Federated wiki (concept), you've used semantic elements that don't match the content, like a semi-colon to start a definition list but all you really want is bold. Koavf (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused! Federated wiki (concept) (the article) does not have any semantic data, because it does not use use the {{Wiki}} infobox template. Semantic MediaWiki will only work with semantic data from Semantic Forms, and they can only work from correctly coded templates such as infoboxes. Or am I missing something else? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, pardon me: I think my earlier post was too vague. Starting a line with a semi-colon will create a description or definition list. These liss should be followed by one or more items that start with a colon. E.g. below:

Hoof Hearted

A user at WikiIndex

An all-around kewl d00d

My friend

Etc. If you want to make something bold, use three apostrophes: this will employ the b or bring to attention element. If you start a definition list but don't follow it with definitions, that's poor HTML semantics and is confusing to things like search engines indexing pages or screen readers attempting to vocalize the content of a page, etc. Does that make sense? Koavf (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I understand your point now. Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for my delay in replying – I was sleeping on my thoughts! Howeverrrrr, I am not sure I 100% agree – though I am open to further reasoning. My understanding, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, I thought that MediaWiki is based on wikitext, rather than HTML? I accept that MediaWiki still relies on a small number of HTML elements (along with CSS, Template:W, and JavaScript), particularly where there is no direct corresponding function within wikitext; a few examples being: <bdi>, <pre>, <sub>, and <sup>. But there are many more elements that are considered highly verboten within wikitext (especially such as MediaWiki), examples <dl>, <dt>, and <dd> (for descriptions, which you eloquently show above with use of the colon and semi-colon), <ol> (for numbered lists, wikitext uses the hash), <h1> to <h6> (for levels of section headings, wikitext uses the equals sign - and I would imagine any editor on Wikipedia who used HTML to create section heading to be robustly chastised!), <p> (for creating paragraphs, when a simple carriage return suffices for wikitext).

As for robots, indexers, and accessibility assisted technologies, I was under the impression that they all worked on the rendered page, rather than its constructed elements? Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

Finally, and I guess this goes back to the original reason for your comment to me, search engine optimisation and performance. Again, my own thinking here; because articles here on WikiIndex are generally (a) very small, when compared to Wikipedia pages, and (b) follow a nigh-on identical format and structure (for articles on wiki, wiki engines, wiki farms, and wiki people) – do we actually need section headings (apart from long articles, or when section headings are highly desirable to separate specific areas within the prose)? And a follow-on from that, if yes, is there any quantifiable value in a search engine indexing say the section(s) on references and / or external links? Surely, surely, surely, for those who search and then find WikiIndex in search providers, we want search results to KEEP folks here in WikiIndex, rather than display searches for external links / sources which will take folks AWAY from WikiIndex?

I greatly appreciate your learned advice and expertise. WikiIndex is a lonely ship to steer alone! Best regards always, Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 14:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful response. To be clear, my main motivation is proper semantics for accessibility's sake and then things like machine indexing and search engine optimization, etc. Whatever we insert as MediaWiki's code (such as '''bold''' text) gets output as HTML because that's what everything on the Web is, so misusing tags—either by directly inputting the HTML or by using some wikitext that is then converted into HTML—is bad. I don't know that we need headings on pages that are short but I'll defer to you if you prefer one style over another. I do think that making a good outline structure is good for things like generating outlines with OPML or having anchors in a page that are linkable but it's not something that I think is urgent. Koavf (talk) 15:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Editing others' comments

I'm not sure that I understand this spate of edits. Why are you adding links into others' posts on a user talk page? Koavf (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that it is very helpful to add wikilinks, as they provide valuable backlinks, and breadcrumbs to any previous discussions on said subjects. I personally always use backlinks to find established consensus, or other trains of thought when trying to improve all articles here on WikiIndex, including policy.

I accept that it is forbidden to edit other users talk pages on Wikipedia - but we are NOT Wikipedia, and we have no need to be bound by their policies! Best regards. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Blocked?

My IP address is blocked, yet I've never even been here before. I'm unable to email an admin, so how am I supposed to make an account and list my wiki? Korra Baskerville 172.26.22.41 22:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for reaching out. Your current IP address is not blocked, and has been used for editing here on WikiIndex. However, a similar IP address was blocked for adding spam. Do you have a static IP address, or maybe you are using a public Wi-Fi access? If you can provide more detail, I will help you in any way that I can. Best regards. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea how that post was able to get through. I tried to edit it and was blocked. Right now, I'm using a VPN to edit the Mystery Dungeon Franchise Wiki page and have managed to put in an account request under the email [email protected]. I'm using my own home Wi-Fi based out of Noth-Colorado in the United States. - Korra II Allison Baskerville 172.26.22.41 22:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, forgive my lax behaviour for not checking RecentChanges more regularly. I just approved your account now - User:Korra II A Baskerville.

I am slightly confused why three different accounts have been requested from the same IP address, but with three different e-mail addresses, and different forwarding IP addresses. I will look into more detail when I get some time. Best. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

CWCki

I wonder if you could review whether the CWCki can remain on this wiki or whether a substantial rewrite is needed? The wiki is linked with a website that has been accused of stalking and vulnerable users, and I have to tell you that the subject of the wiki is one of the victims.

Further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms

172.26.22.41 00:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. As a general rule, here on WikiIndex, we do not delete articles on wiki which some people might find offensive or upsetting. I have spent considerable time reading CWCki, along with its Wikipedia article and associated WP talk page.

This is my own personal comments. First and foremost, I do not like CWCki - I do not like the way they obsessively detail every minute detail of the life of the person who is the subject of said wiki. However, I must stress in the strongest possible way - my own personal dislike is absolutely not grounds to delete its entry here on WikiIndex. Saying that, I agree that our own article needs a considerable re-write. Unfortunately, I am just not familiar enough with the content of the wiki overall, so it would not be appropriate for me to submit my own thoughts.

As to the Wikipedia article, I find the tone of its coverage very alarming. Strong viewpoints are endemic in that WP article, and there is much bias, and very little neutrality. Discussions on its talk page continuously highlight those issues, but without any real action on balancing and toning down the WP article!

In light of my comments, please feel free to edit our entry here on WikiIndex. Of course, please ensure that your own additons are both factual and neutral. Kind regards. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 02:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Thumbnails for new images are broken for some reason, Mediawiki can't fnd /usr/bin/convert

So new images aren't working to add to the wiki pages It says "Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127" You probaby need to install imagemagick or configure the imagemagick location in LocalSettings.php

Other people's prior image upload attempts also resulted in failure as shown here https://wikiindex.org/special:filelist

Thanks :) William Lupinacci (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)