User talk:Hoof Hearted

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Ensis Wiki

Do you happen to recognize, right off the bat, the wiki engine used by Ensis Wiki? If we knew that, we might be able to infer the RecentChanges URL too. Thanks, Leucosticte (talk) 10:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nathan, and Happy New Year. Its urls confirm its written in PHP, bur it isn't the obvious PhpWiki, and I don't immediately recognise it! I suggest having a look at some of the other PHP-based wiki engines to see what looks similar. Sorry I can't be any more help. :-/ Best Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 14:35, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you too. Maybe it isn't even a wiki; maybe they just call themselves that because it sounds cool. Leucosticte (talk) 14:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Maybe . . . however, at the foot of every page it states "All copyrights held by respective authors/owners", and on their main page, it states "Editing this Wiki is left in the hands of a select few volunteers, however you can help out. If you are an author you can submit documents for inclusion using the form on the contact page." Perhaps you can contact them and request an account? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 14:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I guess it's likely not a real wiki as every page has their own php file? As for MediaWiki, every page is under "index.php" (or "pmwiki.php" for PmWiki) --YiFei | talk 15:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes it's hard to figure out where to draw the line between a wiki and non-wiki website. See Differences between wikis and other kinds of websites. Leucosticte (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Unless someone signs up for an account there, I suggest we leave the entry on here, but mark it with the {{NotAWiki}}. The only real way to tell if it's a genuine wiki is to search for page histories . . . . Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

the plainlinks thing

Hi Sean,
I saw that you deleted Template:PlainLinks. Should we add a CSS snippet to some help page instead (sometimes it's dangerous to have external links within a wiki look like internal ones)? So, what do you think: Is it better to omit this information here? Or should we provide a proper template that makes HTTP-links to this wiki look wiki-internal? I think, there will be only few applications, so direct "CSS hacking" will do...
I wish you all the best for 2014 --Wolf | talk 12:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Spamprotectiontext

I suggest changing MediaWiki:Spamprotectiontext to tell users about their option to request that pages be whitelisted. A sample message is at mw:Extension:SpamBlacklist#Whitelist. Thanks, Leucosticte (talk) 00:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Consider it done! Thanks for the heads-up :) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:44, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment

That really made my day. Unfortunately, there are some who think that merely tolerating someone's presence and allowing facts to be documented means that the person has dominated the wiki. I tend to agree more with AD's sentiments, except that I would go even further than he did, and say that not only should people not be banned for posting essays (in namespaces, such as an Essay: namespace of a wiki allegedly devoted to rational argumentation, where such essays are considered on-topic), but that under those kinds of circumstances, the essays shouldn't be deleted. This is a wiki devoted to wikis, wiki people, and wiki ideas, so comprehensively accomplishing that mission requires that controversial wikis, wiki people, and wiki ideas be documented as well in mainspace articles. Avoiding bias requires that everyone at least be able to tell their side of the story without being blocked, as long as they avoid being disruptive or uncivil. Cheers, Leucosticte (talk) 21:17, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

You are most welcome. I genuinely appreciate your work here on WikiIndex — you have some great constructive ideas, and the technical knowledge on how to push forward those ideas, making (hopefully) WikiIndex a better place!

You are also spot-on regarding civility — we absolutely should ALL be free to discuss others motives, ethics and points of view without fear of being moderated; the only provisos are that we all remain civil, and don't disrupt this (or any other) wiki to force ones own point.

I find you incredibly tolerant, in the light of some of the abuse which gets hurled in your direction — you always remain level-headed and very mature, and that is a truly great personal attribute to have, and I doff my cap to you for that. Life would be very dull if we didn't push boundaries! Best :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 21:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Scott Schaefer

Perhaps Scott Schaefer meant well. He had some possibly productive businesses by which he sought to support himself and the woman he calls "the swetest, hotest, sexiest, most beautiful wife in Dallas...in the world". Had he been unemployed, he wouldn't have mentioned a commercial business (and therefore wouldn't have seemed as spammy). Had he chosen to be an employee rather than an entrepreneur, he'd be less likely to be accused of spamming, because he would have gained little or nothing by promoting his company. But unemployed people, and non-entrepreneurs, and people who hold back information about their businesses, are not necessarily superior to others.

True, his LexingtonWiki didn't live up to the hyperbole (or hasn't lived up to it yet), but few ambitious projects do; certainly they often take a lot more work than expected, and there are plenty of distractions. Maybe his wife distracted him with all those skimpy outfits she wears in the hot Dallas climate; who knows. I used to think that, because of how emotionally, financially, and otherwise distracting it can be to be in a relationship, I should stay single until I finished developing Inclupedia, but loneliness can be as distracting as having a woman around, so I think I've broken even, perhaps.

Often planned projects are abandoned when one supersedes them with an even better or more important idea. Maybe that's what happened here. Or the person simply gives in to procrastination, because there's no one around to give him the push (and/or assistance) he needs to move forward.

Anyway, he probably is somewhat of a spammer but maybe he wasn't all that harmful; he was significantly less persistent and annoying than the spambots we deal with regularly, because he put work into developing the pages manually. Plus he blessed our wiki with pics of his (somewhat) hot wife; beauty makes the world a better place. I think he has done enough, simply by creating a non-Wikia wiki that shows evidence of at one time being an incubator of ambitious wiki ideas, to be regarded as a wiki person. At any rate, User talk:ScottSchaefer should probably be restored on the general principle that talk pages should remain for the sake of transparency.

Of course, I am somewhat biased because I have some things in common with this user, such as a penchant for ambitious wiki projects (which haven't yet come to full fruition) and delighting in showing off my wife's body to the world and publicly complimenting her beauty. Leucosticte (talk) 21:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Recent deletions

Please check Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets & Special:Gadgets --YiFei | talk 12:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I see . . . did you want to undo my deletions which affect those? I presumed it was ok to delete those MW interface pages for those gadgets we don't have installed!

BTW, do you know if it is possible for the AJAX Recent Changes auto refresh to be only enabled to logged in users? Best regards, Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 20:29, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

You can do the undeletions :) The limitation of AJAX Recent Changes can be done by [1], which limit the gadget to only the ones with "purge" user right (only the "user" group has the right currently)

BTW, I've whitelisted the url (see User talk:Leucosticte), but trying to debug in hundreds of regexes is not easy. --YiFei | talk 09:29, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

New Users

Hi, I tried to become a new user of this wiki. I applied some days ago, no response. There is a TOS to check that one has read it, but this page does not exist! How long does it take to get ones account activated?

I tried for "Manorainjan" as name. You can answer me via http://manorainjan.myblog.de/manorainjan/gb or on my German Wikipedia page https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Manorainjan --88.70.38.9 19:00, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Still I can not log in http://wikiindex.org/User:Manorainjan password does not work and I do not get the Mail that is for resetting the password.--92.76.120.189 23:29, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi there. I'm so sorry you are having difficulty in creating an account, please accept my apologies. I actually thought one of the other sysops fixed your account here whilst I was away — they were obviously unable to do so. I will try to re-create your account, and will create the password the same as your username with the current year at the end (without spaces), and see if that works. If it does work, and you get to log-in, can you then please change your password to something more appropriate. I've temporarilly renamed your original account to User:Manorainjan-OLD.

Let's hope we can get this all sorted for you - best regards. :)))) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 15:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank You. As You can see, it worked. And I understood that it is of no use to try to get my email confirmed. So I changed my password now and took full possession of the new account.;-)--Manorainjan (talk) 12:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

MultimeterWiki?

I was coming across WikiIndex in search for a wiki on multimeter. Seems no such wiki is listed. - Manorainjan

This wiki seems to be not on the index http://thinkwiki.de/Hauptseite.

This page seems to be outdated: Ebookpedia, the link to the homepage gets forwarded to another non-wiki blog-like page of similar topic.

Regarding your issues on ThinkWiki and Ebookpedia, please feel free to add or amend as you see fit - we still allow IP editors to create new and/or amend existing entries, but I appreciate it can be a pain in the rear to go through Captcha! For your question regarding a wiki on multimeters, can I suggest you look at the wikis listed in Category:Electronic and/or any of its related categories. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 11:47, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, in the Category:Electronic I did not find anything of mentionable size or activity and marked several Wikis as Dormant. Later on I will earn how to add a Wiki. --Manorainjan (talk) 13:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Ray King

Whilst I may be a 'crat on this wiki, I don't have access to any of the 'backend' server-side software, and nor do any of our regular sysops and crats. WikiIndex is owned by Ray King, and he pays someone else to look after that aspect. Unfortunately, we have had a number of issues with our system config which have been 'broken' for a long time, and sadly don't seem to get fixed – one of those being our e-mail system – I personally have never been able to get my own WikiIndex e-mail working since I started here! :( Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 15:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I noticed, that the talk-page of Ray King was visited by him last around 2006. that someone would take over and answer there, I could not see. Is that man still alive? His site "RecentChanges.info" is dead and empty since 2006 --Manorainjan (talk) 11:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Haaa - you have found one of the many 'oddities' of this wiki!!!! Ray King is his real name, but he also edits under the username of 'User:Rathbone' (I have no idea why) – and he is still very much alive!

The person who runs this wiki on a day-2-day basis is MarkDilley, and Mark has closer 'off-wiki' contact with Ray. Mark does not have access to the server, but I think because he isn't a programmer, he'd rather leave the more complex backend stuff to more competent persons.

Anyway, glad we finally got you onboard, and look forward to your welcome contributions here on WikiIndex - Welcome again :)))) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 11:47, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Backend Things and Messes

Thank you Sean... I've been away for a while, and I wasn't aware of what was happening... I hope you are doing okay more... Hugs and Love TeraS (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Computer // Computers

http://wikiindex.org/Category:Computers http://wikiindex.org/Category:Computer

What is the difference? Do we need both?--Manorainjan (talk)

Good question, I believe there is a conversation about that somewhere. What do you think it should be? ~~ MarkDilley

German is my mother tongue. So I will not mess with English names of mayor categories. Therefore the two question marks.

Definitions of what it should contain is missing in both.--Manorainjan (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

They are not missing, they are invitations to be filled in. ~~ MarkDilley

as above ... --Manorainjan (talk) 21:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

These two categories were created LONG before I found WikiIndex. As Mark said, we have discussed this previously many times . . . and never really reached a concrete answer. From my own perspective, a category normally always contains more than one article on said subject, so from that logic, categories should be plural. However, if the singular sounds 'better' and more gramatically correct, then use the singular. How's that for some 'fence sitting'???? Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 22:01, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, I settle on the no-s-side of the fence because of the "keep it simple" POV. It is not wrong to say computer as a label. But it would be wrong to say technologies, even if in America this kind of logical mistake is the norm. And apples would be definitely not something invented in Cupertino. I imagined some serious difference in between the two, but if it is only for the sake of style, cut the s and merge the two!

A Strange Bug When Logged Out

I didn't know the best place to post this, but when I'm logged out extra coding appears on some pages of the site messing up the page's formatting. This extra coding disappears when I sign in though (it does reappear when I sign out). The "Alvin and the Chipmunks Wiki" page is one of the pages that does this. A couple {{#set}} functions are viable before and in the area of the "Wiki Size" box. --DEmersonJMFM (talk) 21:57, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, you need to clear your page cache when logged out (Ctrl + F5 on a Windows OS). We had a server overload issue about a week ago, so Semantic MediaWiki was temporarilly disabled as it was thought that was the cause. Hope this helps :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 05:18, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I logged out and cleared my cache and the bug still appears... hmmm. ~~ MarkDilley

I dunno then . . . . Try rebooting, it worked for me :/ Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 13:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Clearing the cache nor restarting solves the problem for me. --DEmersonJMFM (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:User info

I would expect, that using this template would throw anyone in a specific category where You would find all who used it.--Manorainjan (talk) 18:57, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Also there appears a comma without a visible reason. --Manorainjan (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I've altered it to autoinclude Category:Wiki People for those who use it, and to also display the template in the same Wiki People category. Re the comma - that occured because you included your company without your job title. I've fixed that too, I hope! Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 11:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

You did fix it :-) i testet it on User:Sweetie Belle Manorainjan (talk) 16:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Are you and User:Sweetie Belle an 'item'?? <wink, wink> :ppp Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 16:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:Wiki Status / Template:WikiStatus

The stati 'Dead' and 'Inactive' are the same! What is the use of that? And is there a reason to delete a wiki entry altogether? --Manorainjan (talk) 19:11, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Dead might mean the wiki is no longer there. Inactive might mean that it is dusty, in that case Needs Love is a better status. Again, you find inconsistencies... please feel free to offer solutions! :-) ~~ MarkDilley

OK, I changed the description of Inactive to something not active for a year or longer. Somebody has to confirm 1 Year and update the rest of languages somehow. I did en, de, es, and fr. sv I can't and the others I do not even know their names ;-)

BTW: I changed colour of Category:Dead to black B-) --Manorainjan (talk) 21:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

IIRC, from the may discussions from many different editors here, that Category:Inactive should be depreciated, and we just use Category:Dead for those permanently vanished, but use Category:Dormant. Whilst dictionary definition for 'inactive' might describe some wikis; ie: 'idle' - the literal meaning of 'inactive' is whereby there are short periods of - say downtime. Dictionary definition for general adjective of 'dormant' has two complimentary meanings - 1. "quiet and inactive, as in sleep", 2. "latent or inoperative". A further biological definition of 'dormant' means: "alive but in a resting torpid condition with no growth". So 'dormant' basically means a lack of any activity for longer periods of time - hence why I personally prefer Dormant over Inactive for wikis which are still reachable, but havn't been edited for a long time. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 12:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Great! Than lets check 850 Wikis and sort them into one of the not depriciated cats ;-)Manorainjan (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

After you, Sir! :ppp

I think most of those will have been categorised into Inactive by changing their respective infobox template from {{Wiki}} to {{Inactive}}. I could run a Special:ReplaceText to change the first line (which is what was done previously in reverse, albeit manually on a wiki-by-wiki basis) - but that would then leave the status field open to major errors. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 16:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, run the replace for the first line only. Whatever remains in the Category:Inactive will have to be checked manually. Actually I expect a resurrection 1 out of 100 ;-)Manorainjan (talk) 17:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

That isn't the best idea. If one does run the automated text replacement, they'll be no way of checking which ones are dead and which are dormant. I honestly think they all need to be done manually :((( Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 19:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

OK Manorainjan (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I knew it: Only 19 'inactive' entries checked and already found one active! :-)Manorainjan (talk) 21:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I second what Sean said, manual is the way to go. Regarding "Dead" vs. "Inactive", no consensus was ever established on which to use. We've been using both simultaneously. I again reiterate that we should NOT populate active categories with dead wikis! So, since you are changing these wikis over from the Inactive template to the regular Wiki template with a "Dead" status, please blank the main topic parameter. Thanks! --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 01:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

So, You reiterate we should....not...Better You substantiate with arguments. I do not agree with that. To shift from inactive to dead is not a loss of information but a clarification. The 'blanking' of category information is a loss of information. Then one could delete the entries of dead wikis as well. But I understood, that I do not have a licence to kill here. Userpages of spammers get deleted but no wiki entries ever. If an entry should be preserved it should also be traceable. So, cats should remain connected with them. There is no use of not killing the entry if I kill the information that leads to the entry. So, what is so bad about this 'population'?Manorainjan (talk) 01:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that an index of dead wikis is about as useful as a phone book from 1965. It's of historical interest, but little practical use. --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 02:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

smaller font for cruft

I had no problem reading the text one size smaller on the phone, must have eaten more carrots! :-) ~~ MarkDilley

Do you not have Accessability rights in the US? In the UK we have to have a minimum font size to comply with visually impaired folks. And I eat loads of carrots :P Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 13:59, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I hope You folks know, that this carrot thing is an urban legend?Manorainjan (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Form:Wiki

The existing cat Category:UnknownEditMode is not available in the form. Manorainjan (talk) 17:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

That is because the 'edit mode' is a Semantic Property, and only valid Semantic Properties can be added when creating articles using a Semantic Form that is Form:Wiki. I suggest when edit mode (or indeed any of the other Semantic Properties) are of 'unknown' - the best way to create a new article is by using an existing red link and copy+paste the Template:Wiki boilerplate - using the help text contained within the boilerplate. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 19:40, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

There is also no field for the time of creation of the Wiki. Manorainjan (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Ahhh . . . we had a conflict a while back on that issue, which ought to be sorted. Again, use the boilerplate to get the basic info. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 19:40, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Delete an entry?

Can I delete an entry in case of absolute uselessness? AnUnnamedMoinMoinWiki_(easypos.co.kr)? Manorainjan (talk) 18:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

No! We have a long-standing policy here on WikiIndex of not deleting dead wikis. And whilst this particular wiki may seem 'useless', the article title was chosen because they knew it was a wiki which was using the MoinMoin software, but no-one new how to translate korean (and it is now too late to translate, because Archive.org reports the site was overwhealmed by robots)! Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _{Admin / 'Crat} • talk2HH 19:59, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, but why including a picture that says: "This wiki is inactive" while we are emtying this cat? Would, if at all the pic not have to say "dead" or "no logo"? I would prefer "nologo" if at all. "inactive" prompt people to change the status in something we do not want. Manorainjan (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:Private

I think here is a change needed. A wiki could be dormant and private at the same time like Bible Wiki (biblewiki.net) Private belongs to another aspect similar to editmode. One has to create the aspect "accessibility" or anything else. {public|private|onInvitation|adult|legitimation|etc.} which defines the scope of onlookers not of editors. Naturally the scope of editmode is narrower than "accessibility" the mode nnames would have quite a cut set. Manorainjan (talk) 21:01, 4 August 2014 (UTC)