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Right now, we only have a couple of rules, which have arisen from direct experience: | Right now, we only have a couple of rules, which have arisen from direct experience: | ||
# Actual [[Spam Control Policy|commercial spam will be mercilessly deleted]]. Irrelevant content should be instead marked for deletion, to allow a review first. One man's "irrelevant" can be another's "interesting". | #Actual [[Spam Control Policy|commercial spam will be mercilessly deleted]]. Irrelevant content should be instead marked for deletion, to allow a review first. One man's "irrelevant" can be another's "interesting". | ||
# Edit warring and long arguments are not appreciated. If you find yourself repeatedly restoring content somebody else keeps deleting (or the other way around), let them have their way for the time being (administrators will appreciate this) and try a different approach: | #[[Edit War|Edit warring]] and long arguments are not appreciated. If you find yourself repeatedly restoring content somebody else keeps deleting (or the other way around), let them have their way for the time being (administrators will appreciate this) and try a different approach: | ||
::*Go to their discussion page and/or the article discussion page. Write a polite request, question, or justification for your position. | ::*Go to their discussion page and/or the article discussion page. Write a polite request, question, or justification for your position. | ||
::*After a few posts, if you find the discussion is mostly argument, with no end in sight, you might ask your "opponent" to meet you at another location. For example, invite them to another wiki or the [[WikiIndex:Chatroom|WikiIndex IRC chatroom]]. | ::*After a few posts, if you find the discussion is mostly argument, with no end in sight, you might ask your "opponent" to meet you at another location. For example, invite them to another wiki or the [[WikiIndex:Chatroom|WikiIndex IRC chatroom]]. | ||
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::The question is, what would be a better thing? I've listed some other options [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F_.28Who_decides.3F.29|here]]. I don't see how we would have a sympathetic POV for this page, unless maybe it is "sympathetic" to "WikiIndex" but I'm not sure what that would mean. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ::The question is, what would be a better thing? I've listed some other options [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F_.28Who_decides.3F.29|here]]. I don't see how we would have a sympathetic POV for this page, unless maybe it is "sympathetic" to "WikiIndex" but I'm not sure what that would mean. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::What potential problems do you see with this "NPOV" here? (It is not Wikipedia's NPOV, BTW) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ::What potential problems do you see with this "NPOV" here? (It is not Wikipedia's NPOV, BTW) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:: '''Those are fair comments - I just don't know what NPOV would do for us here. My experience with wiki, is that if I say something that is outrageous and inflammatory - someone comes in and fixes it - keeps the meaning but ''neutralizes'' it. So I do agree with not creating an atmosphere of forest fire mentality or edit waring or flaming. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''' | :: '''Those are fair comments - I just don't know what NPOV would do for us here. My experience with wiki, is that if I say something that is outrageous and inflammatory - someone comes in and fixes it - keeps the meaning but ''neutralizes'' it. So I do agree with not creating an atmosphere of forest fire mentality or [[Edit War|edit waring]] or flaming. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''' | ||
::We are allowing "commenting" on this page, but I don't want to open up debates about specific conflicts. This is my reason for the "NPOV". [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ::We are allowing "commenting" on this page, but I don't want to open up debates about specific conflicts. This is my reason for the "NPOV". [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
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:I beg to differ. At 4668 content pages and dozens of edits a day, WikiIndex is hardly small or inactive. Remember, Wikipedia is an outlier, completely off the scales when compared to anything else. That said, I agree we should rely on common sense more than rules. But rules are useful as general guidelines. Just to get everyone on the same page, you know (pun intended). [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 02:16, 13 September 2009 (EDT) | :I beg to differ. At 4668 content pages and dozens of edits a day, WikiIndex is hardly small or inactive. Remember, Wikipedia is an outlier, completely off the scales when compared to anything else. That said, I agree we should rely on common sense more than rules. But rules are useful as general guidelines. Just to get everyone on the same page, you know (pun intended). [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 02:16, 13 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:[I removed only my comments that had appeared here. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)] | :[I removed only my comments that had appeared here. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)] | ||
: ''Frankly - the common sense understanding of how to prevent it, was for everyone to stop the name calling, stop the edit warring and slow down. This page is in need of pairing down and I think BobM provides a clear path on that road. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]'' | : ''Frankly - the common sense understanding of how to prevent it, was for everyone to stop the name calling, stop the [[Edit War|edit warring]] and slow down. This page is in need of pairing down and I think BobM provides a clear path on that road. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]'' | ||
::(Based on the above comment and [[User talk:Lumenos#Please slow down|this one]] I moved the content of [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines&oldid=71512 this page] to [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies|this subpage]], and replaced the page with Bob's suggestion. I have since moved administrative comments back in. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:22, September 21, 2009 (UTC)) | ::(Based on the above comment and [[User talk:Lumenos#Please slow down|this one]] I moved the content of [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines&oldid=71512 this page] to [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies|this subpage]], and replaced the page with Bob's suggestion. I have since moved administrative comments back in. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:22, September 21, 2009 (UTC)) | ||
:::There are currently three forks of the project page. I continued editing that older version I mentioned above and that can be found [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/WikiIndex_%28unwritten%29_policies here] (although parts of the page I am commenting on right now, are more up to date). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:51, 26 June 2010 (EDT) | :::There are currently three forks of the project page. I continued editing that older version I mentioned above and that can be found [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/WikiIndex_%28unwritten%29_policies here] (although parts of the page I am commenting on right now, are more up to date). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:51, 26 June 2010 (EDT) | ||