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(This is a derivative of an older version of [[WikiIndex: | (This is a derivative of an older version of [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines]]. It was edited by Lumenos and has comments from administrators. [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines&oldid=72554 This] was the older version. Many seem to prefer something simpler without signed comments, quotes, etc. so I moved this page here and continued editing it. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 16:07, 26 June 2010 (EDT) | ||
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The WikiIndex administration is in the process of developing and explaining their guidelines, principles, and policies. '''This page is being used for policy development and is not an official guide.''' For now, administrators monitor the site and may suggest better ways of doing things. Issues of immediate concern can be posted [[ | The [[WikiIndex]] administration is in the process of developing and explaining their guidelines, principles, and policies. '''This page is being used for policy development and is not an official guide.''' For now, administrators monitor the site and may suggest better ways of doing things. Issues of immediate concern can be posted [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki|here]]. For a few simple guidelines, see [[WikiIndex:Editing etiquette]] or [[WikiIndex:Guidelines]]. For other guidelines, see [[:Category:Guidelines]]. Block policy is being discussed at [[WikiIndex talk:Blocking Policy]]. | ||
Right now, we only have a couple of rules, which have arisen from direct experience: | Right now, we only have a couple of rules, which have arisen from direct experience: | ||
# Actual [[ | # Actual [[Spam Control Policy|commercial spam will be mercilessly deleted]]. Irrelevant content should be instead marked for deletion, to allow a review first. One man's "irrelevant" can be another's "interesting". | ||
# Edit warring and long arguments are not appreciated. If you find yourself repeatedly restoring content somebody else keeps deleting (or the other way around), let them have their way for the time being (administrators will appreciate this) and try a different approach: | # Edit warring and long arguments are not appreciated. If you find yourself repeatedly restoring content somebody else keeps deleting (or the other way around), let them have their way for the time being (administrators will appreciate this) and try a different approach: | ||
::*Go to their discussion page and/or the article discussion page. Write a polite request, question, or justification for your position. | ::*Go to their discussion page and/or the article discussion page. Write a polite request, question, or justification for your position. | ||
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::*You might create a voting poll on the article's talk page, to get feedback from other editors. | ::*You might create a voting poll on the article's talk page, to get feedback from other editors. | ||
::*Ask your opponent if they will agree to the judgment of an arbiter. Anyone may be chosen as a judge for your issue, if you all can agree to it. (You may want to ask an arbiter how much they are willing to read before making their decision, so you have some idea of how much you need to reduce your summary.) | ::*Ask your opponent if they will agree to the judgment of an arbiter. Anyone may be chosen as a judge for your issue, if you all can agree to it. (You may want to ask an arbiter how much they are willing to read before making their decision, so you have some idea of how much you need to reduce your summary.) | ||
::*If these methods fail or you want a simpler solution, ask for arbitration [[ | ::*If these methods fail or you want a simpler solution, ask for arbitration [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki|here]] or on [[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|an administrator's]] talk page. | ||
[[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:35, 4 October 2009 (EDT) [expanded by [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:02, 5 October 2009 (EDT)] | [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:35, 4 October 2009 (EDT) [expanded by [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:02, 5 October 2009 (EDT)] | ||
A discussion of possible policies follows. See also [[ | A discussion of possible policies follows. See also [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines]]. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:35, 4 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Sources of inspiration== | ==Sources of inspiration== | ||
Other wikis have been through this already and have developed interesting guidelines, some of which we could use ourselves. | Other wikis have been through this already and have developed interesting guidelines, some of which we could use ourselves. | ||
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==Content inclusion rules== | ==Content inclusion rules== | ||
'''The following are proposals''': | '''The following are proposals''': | ||
# Articles can say anything as long as no-one contests it. | # Articles can say anything as long as no-one contests it. | ||
# Articles should preferably stick to facts (e.g. "wiki X claims that Y on page Z"). | # Articles should preferably stick to facts (e.g. "wiki X claims that Y on page Z"). | ||
The first was proposed on IRC by [[User:Lumenos]]; I think it is likely to cause trouble, hence my counter-proposal. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:35, 4 October 2009 (EDT) | The first was proposed on IRC by [[User:Lumenos]]; I think it is likely to cause trouble, hence my counter-proposal. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:35, 4 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
:To be more accurate, I was proposing that you have a speedy delete policy that is connected to the [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Blocking_Policy&direction=next&oldid=70264 block policy] for [[User:Lumenos/ | :To be more accurate, I was proposing that you have a speedy delete policy that is connected to the [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk:Blocking_Policy&direction=next&oldid=70264 block policy] for [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies#Biographical info|things like biographical information that is obtained in an "illegitimate" (or illegal) manner]]. Same with things [[Spam Control Policy|like spam]] and copyrighted work. Beyond those basic ("common sense") rules, you might not need to forbid things like "[[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies#Bureaucrats|criticism]]", "original research", "unverified claims", etc, if these aren't contested. '''This is to address those who prefer NOT having "rules" that are "strict", "explicit", etc.''' I'm suggesting you need only get out the rule book when people [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies#Felix|aren't being "nice"]]. But if you want a smoother ride, it might be easier to have a policy that [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies#Criticism of wikis|wiki articles are to be always from a sympathetic viewpoint]], for example. This would probably be less controversial than allowing criticism. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 12:42, 23 June 2010 (EDT) | ||
==Criticism of wikis== | ==Criticism of wikis== | ||
Criticism is controversial. The majority of the WikiIndex administration doesn't seem to like having to mediate and deal with conflicts. Therefore I am suggesting that wiki articles will probably have to be in a sympathetic viewpoint. A possible alternative is to streamline or "outsource", the process of dispute resolution. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:02, 5 October 2009 (EDT) | Criticism is controversial. The majority of the WikiIndex administration doesn't seem to like having to mediate and deal with conflicts. Therefore I am suggesting that wiki articles will probably have to be in a sympathetic viewpoint. A possible alternative is to streamline or "outsource", the process of dispute resolution. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 02:02, 5 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
===Bureaucrats=== | ===Bureaucrats=== | ||
MarkDilly seems to be the only active [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=500&group=bureaucrat bureaucrat], this is a quote from [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Conservapedia.2C_RationalWiki_etc|this location]]: ''"I can understand that folks from Conservapedia don't want the page on [[WikiIndex]] about their wiki to be overrun by criticism - and I can also understand that people want to talk about problems they have with the wiki. Why not take it to a page [[Constructive Criticism of Conservapedia]] and simply make one line / link on the [[Conservapedia]] page pointing to this. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''" [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:35, 22 June 2010 (EDT) | |||
MarkDilly seems to be the only active [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=500&group=bureaucrat bureaucrat], this is a quote from [[ | |||
===Sysops=== | ===Sysops=== | ||
[http://www.wikiindex.org/Special:Listusers?username=&limit=500&group=sysop This link] shows you the current sysops. | [http://www.wikiindex.org/Special:Listusers?username=&limit=500&group=sysop This link] shows you the current sysops. | ||
==== DavidCary ==== | ==== DavidCary ==== | ||
DavidCary (sysop) writing on this subject can be found [[Talk:RationalWiki/Archive1#Wikiindex|here]]. I am reproducing this quote below. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:35, 22 June 2010 (EDT) | DavidCary (sysop) writing on this subject can be found [[Talk:RationalWiki/Archive1#Wikiindex|here]]. I am reproducing this quote below. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:35, 22 June 2010 (EDT) | ||
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====Felix==== | ====Felix==== | ||
''"You just said it yourself: "they would be quite happy with no criticism and they don't know yet whether they should have to do any of this work". Can you guess why? Because they ''should not'' have to. [...] [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:47, 25 September 2009 (EDT)"'' [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWiki%2FArchive2&diff=71987&oldid=71985] | ''"You just said it yourself: "they would be quite happy with no criticism and they don't know yet whether they should have to do any of this work". Can you guess why? Because they ''should not'' have to. [...] [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 01:47, 25 September 2009 (EDT)"'' [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWiki%2FArchive2&diff=71987&oldid=71985] | ||
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==Disputed information== | ==Disputed information== | ||
* '''Tag:''' Placing "<del>warning</del> tags" on info that is dubious, impolite, etc. ~~ [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] | * '''Tag:''' Placing "<del>warning</del> tags" on info that is dubious, impolite, etc. ~~ [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] | ||
:* Warning tags are too strong - I like the idea of tags and think they should point to constructive information. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | :* Warning tags are too strong - I like the idea of tags and think they should point to constructive information. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
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== Point of view, commenting in articles == | == Point of view, commenting in articles == | ||
[I suggested what I thought would be called a "neutral point of view" for this article. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:14, September 21, 2009 (UTC)] | [I suggested what I thought would be called a "neutral point of view" for this article. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 20:14, September 21, 2009 (UTC)] | ||
: '''''I disagree strongly with Neutral Point of View for this wiki. I understand that it is for this page only - and I am not sure that is still a good thing. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''''' | : '''''I disagree strongly with Neutral Point of View for this wiki. I understand that it is for this page only - and I am not sure that is still a good thing. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''''' | ||
::The question is, what would be a better thing? I've listed some other options [[WikiIndex: | ::The question is, what would be a better thing? I've listed some other options [[WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines#How sympathetic or critical.3F_.28Who_decides.3F.29|here]]. I don't see how we would have a sympathetic POV for this page, unless maybe it is "sympathetic" to "WikiIndex" but I'm not sure what that would mean. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::What potential problems do you see with this "NPOV" here? (It is not Wikipedia's NPOV, BTW) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ::What potential problems do you see with this "NPOV" here? (It is not Wikipedia's NPOV, BTW) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 00:51, 4 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:: '''Those are fair comments - I just don't know what NPOV would do for us here. My experience with wiki, is that if I say something that is outrageous and inflammatory - someone comes in and fixes it - keeps the meaning but ''neutralizes'' it. So I do agree with not creating an atmosphere of forest fire mentality or edit waring or flaming. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''' | :: '''Those are fair comments - I just don't know what NPOV would do for us here. My experience with wiki, is that if I say something that is outrageous and inflammatory - someone comes in and fixes it - keeps the meaning but ''neutralizes'' it. So I do agree with not creating an atmosphere of forest fire mentality or edit waring or flaming. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]''' | ||
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==Biographical info== | ==Biographical info== | ||
For now I would suggest the standard be defined by "local" laws and [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons Wikipedia's policy on biographical info] until a standard more specific to WikiIndex can be established. ~~ [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] | For now I would suggest the standard be defined by "local" laws and [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons Wikipedia's policy on biographical info] until a standard more specific to WikiIndex can be established. ~~ [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] | ||
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:[I removed only my comments that had appeared here. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)] | :[I removed only my comments that had appeared here. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)] | ||
: ''Frankly - the common sense understanding of how to prevent it, was for everyone to stop the name calling, stop the edit warring and slow down. This page is in need of pairing down and I think BobM provides a clear path on that road. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]'' | : ''Frankly - the common sense understanding of how to prevent it, was for everyone to stop the name calling, stop the edit warring and slow down. This page is in need of pairing down and I think BobM provides a clear path on that road. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]'' | ||
::(Based on the above comment and [[ | ::(Based on the above comment and [[User talk:Lumenos#Please slow down|this one]] I moved the content of [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex:Policies_and_Guidelines&oldid=71512 this page] to [[User:Lumenos/WikiIndex (unwritten) policies|this subpage]], and replaced the page with Bob's suggestion. I have since moved administrative comments back in. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:22, September 21, 2009 (UTC)) | ||
:::There are currently three forks of the project page. I continued editing that older version I mentioned above and that can be found [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/WikiIndex_%28unwritten%29_policies here] (although parts of the page I am commenting on right now, are more up to date). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:51, 26 June 2010 (EDT) | :::There are currently three forks of the project page. I continued editing that older version I mentioned above and that can be found [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/WikiIndex_%28unwritten%29_policies here] (although parts of the page I am commenting on right now, are more up to date). [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 15:51, 26 June 2010 (EDT) | ||
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