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==Tags== | ==Tags== | ||
John, I spoke with Ray and we both agree that the tags are a definate step in the right direction, I am hoping that we can figure out what we need to do to make the tag functional within the description text. Until then, I guess we place the things underneath the header/footer. | |||
John, I spoke with Ray and we both agree that the tags are a definate step in the right direction, I am hoping that we can figure out what we need to do to make the tag functional within the description text. Until then, I guess we place | |||
the things underneath the header/footer. | |||
* that was the problem, trying to make it a header, so I have just bolded it, it works now as a footer. What do you think? | * that was the problem, trying to make it a header, so I have just bolded it, it works now as a footer. What do you think? | ||
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==wiki_recentchanges== | ==wiki_recentchanges== | ||
In order to have a clean, uniform look in the [[WikiIndex:StructuredData|StructuredData]] template, wiki_recentchanges needs to be set to "no" if there is not a RecentChanges in the [[wiki]]. Words other than "no" show up ugly and distracting. | |||
In order to have a clean, uniform look in the StructuredData template, wiki_recentchanges needs to be set to "no" if there is not a RecentChanges in the wiki. Words other than "no" show up ugly and distracting. | |||
: Could we rename <code>wiki_recentchanges</code> to something like <code>recent_changes_URL</code> to emphasize that we *want* the actual URL there, not merely the word "yes" ? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 14:38, 8 Feb 2006 (EST) | : Could we rename <code>wiki_recentchanges</code> to something like <code>recent_changes_URL</code> to emphasize that we *want* the actual URL there, not merely the word "yes" ? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 14:38, 8 Feb 2006 (EST) | ||
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== technical question about each wiki logo == | == technical question about each wiki logo == | ||
The pages that discuss an individual [[wiki]], also display that [[:Category:WikiLogo|wiki's logo]]. There are 2 possible ways of displaying that wiki's logo. (The logo looks identical in the normal "read" view, no matter which way we do it. It is only visible in the "editbox"). | |||
The pages that discuss an individual wiki, also display that wiki's logo. | |||
There are 2 possible ways of displaying that wiki's logo. | |||
(The logo looks identical in the normal "read" view, no matter which way we do it. It is only visible in the "editbox"). | |||
I've seen both ways used here: | I've seen both ways used here: | ||
* Link directly to that wiki's logo, using the full URL of its location on that wiki. | |||
* Link directly to that wiki's logo, using the full | ** Quicker, for the people putting new wiki into the wikiindex, to copy and past the URL to the image file, than to upload and download files (then delete that temporary file). | ||
** Quicker, for the people putting new wiki into the wikiindex, to copy and past the | |||
** If someone finds the wiki *here*, then visits that wiki, the logo is only downloaded once (from that wiki) and stored in cache. (Rather than downloaded once from wikiindex.com and once again from that wiki). | ** If someone finds the wiki *here*, then visits that wiki, the logo is only downloaded once (from that wiki) and stored in cache. (Rather than downloaded once from wikiindex.com and once again from that wiki). | ||
** once and only once | ** once and only once | ||
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Have we already discussed this elsewhere, and come to a consensus about the Right Way to Do It? | Have we already discussed this elsewhere, and come to a consensus about the Right Way to Do It? | ||
Or should we just start talking about it here? | Or should we just start talking about it here? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 21:37, 30 Apr 2006 (EDT) | ||
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 21:37, 30 Apr 2006 (EDT) | |||
: I've always thought that downloading the image was the more sure fire way to get it, given that you have more control over the size and shape, etc. But linking has the advantage that if their logo changes, we get the change also. Some logos have strange shapes and clipping a piece of the logo makes more sense. So I'd say either method is fine, whatever produces the best result visually. I'm sure there are some advantages to consistency, but not sure we can achieve 100% consistency unless we only download. Thoughts? --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Ray King|talk]]</small> 02:30, 1 May 2006 (EDT) | : I've always thought that downloading the image was the more sure fire way to get it, given that you have more control over the size and shape, etc. But linking has the advantage that if their logo changes, we get the change also. Some logos have strange shapes and clipping a piece of the logo makes more sense. So I'd say either method is fine, whatever produces the best result visually. I'm sure there are some advantages to consistency, but not sure we can achieve 100% consistency unless we only download. Thoughts? --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Ray King|talk]]</small> 02:30, 1 May 2006 (EDT) | ||
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== getting the logo from wiki based on mediawiki == | == getting the logo from wiki based on mediawiki == | ||
With many [[:Category:Wiki Engine|wiki engines]], you can hit "File" | "Save page as" to snag a copy of the logo, or do "View" | "Page Source..." to find the exact URL of the logo. However, some wiki based on the [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] engine make it difficult to access the logo and put it on [[WikiIndex]]. When I try to to do "File" | "Save page as", I get some sort of "print version" of the page that doesn't include the logo. When I check the source code, it doesn't mention the logo anywhere. Apparently it is included by reference in one of the several CSS stylesheets referenced by the page. | |||
With many | |||
However, some wiki based on the | |||
When I try to to do "File" | "Save page as", I get some sort of "print version" of the page that doesn't include the logo. | |||
When I check the source code, it doesn't mention the logo anywhere. Apparently it is included by reference in one of the several CSS stylesheets referenced by the page. | |||
What's the trick for grabbing that logo and putting it into the wikiindex entry for that wiki? | What's the trick for grabbing that logo and putting it into the wikiindex entry for that wiki? | ||
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== More details on template needed == | == More details on template needed == | ||
It would be helpful if there was more information on this page to help new users complete the template. | It would be helpful if there was more information on this page to help new users complete the template. | ||
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== editmode == | == editmode == | ||
A wiki's [[:Category:Wiki Edit Mode|editmode]] is a concept that [[WikiIndex]] seems to have made up, rather than something that is common knowledge. You need to add clear instructions on every page that mentions this (i.e. this page and the page with the [[Template:Wiki|wiki template]].) | |||
A wiki's editmode is a concept that WikiIndex seems to have made up, rather than something that is common knowledge. You need to add clear instructions on every page that mentions this (i.e. this page and the page with the wiki template.) | |||
Specifically, people need to know what options they have and how to pick one. In fact, I think there should be more of a walk through tutorial, where a couple of real wikis are used to show people how to find out all the stats. | Specifically, people need to know what options they have and how to pick one. In fact, I think there should be more of a walk through tutorial, where a couple of real wikis are used to show people how to find out all the stats. | ||
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A run through would make it much easier for people to join in with WikiIndex, but even if that is not done instructions on what editmode are essential. | A run through would make it much easier for people to join in with WikiIndex, but even if that is not done instructions on what editmode are essential. | ||
Maybe a link to [[:Category: | Maybe a link to [[:Category:Wiki Edit Mode]] could be enough, but I would prefer to see a basic explanation of each stat and its variables, with a link to read more. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 05:43, 17 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:WikiIndex didn't invent the concept - MediaWiki and other wiki engines allow the wiki owner to configure who can and cannot edit the wiki. I've seen referred to as "user permissions" or "edit mode", but it's a common concept. It's just that it's transparent for wikis which allow anonymous users to edit. Still, your point that it needs to be better explained is well-taken. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:45, 18 May 2009 (EDT) | :WikiIndex didn't invent the concept - [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] and other [[:Category:Wiki Engine|wiki engines]] allow the wiki owner to configure who can and cannot edit the wiki. I've seen referred to as "user permissions" or "edit mode", but it's a common concept. It's just that it's transparent for wikis which allow anonymous users to edit. Still, your point that it needs to be better explained is well-taken. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:45, 18 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
::Maybe the instructions [[:Category: | ::Maybe the instructions [[:Category:Wiki Edit Mode|here]] could be inserted into a template and then that template could be used for this project page or anywhere else it needs to go. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:49, 18 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::OK, I stand corrected. But some other people might not know what it means. Anyhoo, as you say, my point is made (even if I am technically correct). | :::OK, I stand corrected. But some other people might not know what it means. Anyhoo, as you say, my point is made (even if I am technically correct). | ||
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:::Firstly I don't see '''all' the categories on the index page and secondly, it would be better to walk people through with lines like: '''Replace 'YourWikiHttp' with the URL of the wiki you are adding'''. | :::Firstly I don't see '''all' the categories on the index page and secondly, it would be better to walk people through with lines like: '''Replace 'YourWikiHttp' with the URL of the wiki you are adding'''. | ||
:::Actually, I wonder if people should be told by this project to copy and past text that says: 'YourWikiEditMode' when the line could read 'UnknownEditMode' from word go. There could then be a line in the instructions that says something like: '''If you know the EditMode of the wiki, change it from 'UnknownEditMode' to an appropriate edit mode from the 'Category: | :::Actually, I wonder if people should be told by this project to copy and past text that says: 'YourWikiEditMode' when the line could read 'UnknownEditMode' from word go. There could then be a line in the instructions that says something like: '''If you know the EditMode of the wiki, change it from 'UnknownEditMode' to an appropriate edit mode from the 'Category:Wiki Edit Mode' page'''. | ||
Some stuff like that could keep things brief, but have plenty of links over to other pages that give all the possible options for each attribute in the template. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 18:19, 18 May 2009 (EDT) | Some stuff like that could keep things brief, but have plenty of links over to other pages that give all the possible options for each attribute in the template. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 18:19, 18 May 2009 (EDT) | ||
: I agree that the abstract concept is pretty common -- most [[ | : I agree that the abstract concept is pretty common -- most [[:Category:Wiki Engine|WikiEngines]] have several options to make editing easier or more restricted. But today I searched mediawiki.org and am surprised to find that "editmode" and "edit mode" never refer to this concept, but always refer to "the mode a person is in after he hits the "edit" button and before hit hits Save or Cancel.". | ||
: In their way, the people at mediawiki.org allude to the concept [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEmailConfirmToEdit][http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_all_pages]. | : In their way, the people at mediawiki.org allude to the concept [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEmailConfirmToEdit][http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_all_pages]. | ||
: But I don't see that they use any other particular name, either, for what we've been calling "EditMode". | : But I don't see that they use any other particular name, either, for what we've been calling "EditMode". | ||
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: --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:50, 7 August 2010 (EDT) | : --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:50, 7 August 2010 (EDT) | ||
::We could call it something more descriptive, like "WhoCanEdit" or "WhoIsAllowedToEdit". Even then, the "acceptable" answers, i.e., the ones for which we have created categories, are not intuitive. I suspect that visiting sites, especially Wikias, are likely to say "Anyone can edit". --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:19, 8 August 2010 (EDT) | ::We could call it something more descriptive, like "WhoCanEdit" or "WhoIsAllowedToEdit". Even then, the "acceptable" answers, i.e., the ones for which we have created categories, are not intuitive. I suspect that visiting sites, especially [[:Category:Wikia|Wikias]], are likely to say "Anyone can edit". --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 15:19, 8 August 2010 (EDT) | ||
I must admit to liking [[ | I must admit to liking [[:Category:Wiki Edit Mode|Edit Mode]] - and I understand the issue though. How about a descriptive name like [[EditPrivileges]] or [[EditRights]]? Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
== Wikia boilerplate == | == Wikia boilerplate == | ||
I set up a [[:Category:Boilerplates|boilerplate]] template for [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] information: {{tl|Wikia Boilerplate}}. Some of the information may be different for the various Wikias (not all are [[:Category:OpenEdit|OpenEdit]], and definitely not all are [[:Category:Wiki English|English]] language), but it is helpful for me (and hopefully you) to cut-and-paste this info rather than typing it out each time. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 21:40, 8 October 2009 (EDT) | |||
==[[Wikisage]]== | |||
No page for this. Mainly in [[:Category:Wiki Dutch|Dutch]], so needs someone who speaks it to do a page. 02:59, 19 March 2012 (PDT) | |||
No page for this. Mainly in Dutch, so needs someone who speaks it to do a page. 02:59, 19 March 2012 (PDT) | |||