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==draft blocking policy proposal== | ==draft blocking policy proposal== | ||
In summary: | In summary: | ||
* People may be blocked from editing by an administrator to protect WikiIndex and its | * People may be [[blocked]] from editing by an [[administrator]] to protect [[WikiIndex]] and its [[editor]]s from harm. | ||
** This will be done with a very light hand. | ** This will be done with a very light hand. | ||
* [[Sysop]]s block anything that resembles a [[spambot]]. | * [[Sysop]]s block anything that resembles a [[spambot]]. | ||
** Simple [[ | ** Simple [[spam]]mers will be deleted and no further effort put in to them. | ||
* Don't irk our gentle editors. | * Don't irk our gentle editors. | ||
** Editors who are sufficiently annoyed will will say as much on your [[talk page]], with a link to a WikiIndex edit that irked them. If the behavior continues, an account may get progressively longer blocks, typically starting with 3 days, to act as a [[wiki vacation]] from WikiIndex. | ** Editors who are sufficiently annoyed will will say as much on your [[talk page]], with a link to a WikiIndex [[edit]] that irked them. If the behavior continues, an account may get progressively longer blocks, typically starting with 3 days, to act as a [[wiki vacation]] from WikiIndex. | ||
** [[Template:Doppelganger|Doppelganger]] accounts that try to impersonate someone else will be blocked. | ** [[Template:Doppelganger|Doppelganger]] accounts that try to impersonate someone else will be blocked. | ||
* Any person may request a block from [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki|active administrators]]. That's also the place to discuss your view on sysops overstepping their authority regarding blocking. | * Any person may request a block from [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki|active administrators]]. That's also the place to discuss your view on sysops overstepping their authority regarding blocking. | ||
''I'm trying to make this (1) | ''I'm trying to make this (1) {{W|Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep|extremely short}} and (2) objective and unambiguous. Feel free to *completely* change this. However, I will be grumpy if you make it more than twice as long. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 16:17, 20 August 2009 (EDT)'' | ||
: ''I made it much shorter, hopefully clearer and it is much different than [[English Wikipedia]] - [[SoftSecurity]] is my intent. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]'' | : ''I made it much shorter, hopefully clearer and it is much different than [[English Wikipedia]] - [[SoftSecurity]] is my intent. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]'' | ||
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: I think that when we phrase our work as '''warning''' people - we have started off on the not [[assume good faith]] foot and so I suggest that instead we try to encourage people to be constructive. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | : I think that when we phrase our work as '''warning''' people - we have started off on the not [[assume good faith]] foot and so I suggest that instead we try to encourage people to be constructive. ~~ [[MarkDilley]] | ||
After staring at the [[red link]] to this page for a while, I grew suspicious that we aren't being real consistent in when and for how long we put down blocks on spammers. A cursory scan of | After staring at the [[red link]] to this page for a while, I grew suspicious that we aren't being real consistent in when and for how long we put down blocks on spammers. A cursory scan of {{W|Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Wikipedia's blocking policy}} suggests the notion that lengthy blocks on [[IP address]]es is a little extreme. For reference I pulled up the blocking policies on a few other wikis: [http://en.uncyclomedia.org/wiki/Uncyclopedia:Ban_Policy Uncyclopedia], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/HRWiki:Blocking_Policy HRWiki] — <span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Arial;">[[User:Sean Fennel]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|@]]</span> 14:19, 18 January 2007 (PST) | ||
The | The {{W|Wikipedia:Blocking policy}} is to block for 24 hours on the first incident, "longer for successive violations". Looking at [[Special:Ipblocklist]] and the [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block WikiIndex block log], I see some people at WikiIndex think "infinite" blocks are appropriate. Some people at WikiIndex at [[WikiProject:Junking bots]] suggest 3 days for the first incident. | ||
I think we need to balance 2 things: | I think we need to balance 2 things: | ||
* We need to make it long enough that we don't have to waste all our time cleaning up after spammers who continue to [[spam]] -- over an over again -- as soon as the block period is over. Because we don't want to become grumpy, overworked [[sysop]]s. | * We need to make it long enough that we don't have to waste all our time cleaning up after spammers who continue to [[spam]] -- over an over again -- as soon as the block period is over. Because we don't want to become grumpy, overworked [[sysop]]s. | ||
* We need to make it short enough that people who would otherwise be fine, productive, upstanding members of our community, but accidentally make a questionable edit and are (accidentally?) banned by grumpy, overworked sysops, aren't driven away and lost forever. Would you stick around some place that, after you made some tiny little mistake, publicly posted signs accusing you of being a (gasp!) {{template|spammer}} and refused to take those signs down or even let you say anything in your defense -- not even "I'm sorry and I'll never do that again"? | * We need to make it short enough that people who would otherwise be fine, productive, upstanding members of our community, but accidentally make a questionable edit and are (accidentally?) banned by grumpy, overworked sysops, aren't driven away and lost forever. Would you stick around some place that, after you made some tiny little mistake, publicly posted signs accusing you of being a (gasp!) {{template|spammer}} and refused to take those signs down or even let you say anything in your defense -- not even "I'm sorry and I'll never do that again"? | ||
Is there any way to objectively decide whether the "first block time" is too long or too short? | Is there any way to objectively decide whether the "first block time" is too long or too short? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 03:11, 21 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 03:11, 21 June 2009 (EDT) | |||
For minor offenses warnings should be given out the first time. | For minor offenses warnings should be given out the first time. [[User]]s who have been warned will certainly see the warning when they get a notice that they have new messages. A short block may be overlooked if the user did not try to [[edit]] during the block period. If an offense is repeated after a warning, administrators can assume the user knew his/her behavour was unacceptable. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:17, 11 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Agree with proxima though spambots that are logged in should be blocked indefinitely but anon spambots have to be checked to see if they are open proxies or zombie computers and if they are, they should be blocked for a maximum of 1 year but if that IP has similar problems on all the other major wikis out there, block should be extended to 3 years as a safe precaution...--[[User:Comets|Comets]] 01:12, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | :Agree with proxima though spambots that are logged in should be blocked indefinitely but anon spambots have to be checked to see if they are open proxies or zombie computers and if they are, they should be blocked for a maximum of 1 year but if that IP has similar problems on all the other major wikis out there, block should be extended to 3 years as a safe precaution...--[[User:Comets|Comets]] 01:12, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
::The key is to not be a target of [[vandal]]s. Then there are the spambots, which are obvious, I would hope. Block them forever, or for years. PC is right, a short block might go unnoticed by a real person editor, a warning makes more sense. Do you guys get a lot of vandalism here, or just random botting/trolling? At [[RationalWiki]] we really don't much vandalism, a few [[troll]]s, I guess, but mostly no one harasses a wiki that has lots of active editors/sysops (we [[sysop]] everyone, pretty much). OK, maybe it's because we're a fairly cool site, trolls prefer to attack loser sites. But it might really be because we are active enough that trolls/spammers see they'd be wasting their time. Hope I helped in some way. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:23, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | ::The key is to not be a target of [[vandal]]s. Then there are the spambots, which are obvious, I would hope. Block them forever, or for years. PC is right, a short block might go unnoticed by a real person editor, a warning makes more sense. Do you guys get a lot of vandalism here, or just random botting/trolling? At [[RationalWiki]] we really don't much vandalism, a few [[troll]]s, I guess, but mostly no one harasses a wiki that has lots of active editors/sysops (we [[sysop]] everyone, pretty much). OK, maybe it's because we're a fairly cool site, trolls prefer to attack loser sites. But it might really be because we are active enough that trolls/spammers see they'd be wasting their time. Hope I helped in some way. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:23, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
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Different [[wiki]]s have different policies and block lengths are inevitably arbitrary. [[English Wiktionary]] hands out [ | Different [[wiki]]s have different policies and block lengths are inevitably arbitrary. [[English Wiktionary]] hands out [https://En.Wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Log/block short blocks] when [[English Wikipedia]] would warn a user and in my opinion the Wikipedia policy is better for several reasons, | ||
#Wiktionary [[user]]s may not realize that they have been blocked if they don’t happen to try and edit again till the block has expired. Then they get repeated entries in their block logs without even knowing that they have done anything unacceptable. | #Wiktionary [[user]]s may not realize that they have been blocked if they don’t happen to try and edit again till the block has expired. Then they get repeated entries in their block logs without even knowing that they have done anything unacceptable. | ||
#When they realized they have been blocked or try to edit during a block this is unnecessarily punishing. | #When they realized they have been blocked or try to edit during a block this is unnecessarily punishing. | ||
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: Most [[wiki]] generally *encourage* newcomers to make a user page as one of their first edits. | : Most [[wiki]] generally *encourage* newcomers to make a user page as one of their first edits. | ||
:* "As a first step, you can create a WikiHomePage using your WikiName." -- [[Wiki: AddYourName]] | :* "As a first step, you can create a WikiHomePage using your WikiName." -- [[Wiki: AddYourName]] | ||
:* "Joining [[ | :* "Joining [[MeatballWiki]] is as simple as saying hello. ... Practice in the SandBox! Once you are comfortable, sign our guestbook, RecentVisitors, with your real name and then create your very own homepage here." -- starting page of [[MeatballWiki]] | ||
:* "It would be great for you to create your personal page, as it helps in creating and expanding a vibrant community composed of Real People. You may add links to your social networks ..." -- [http://www.aboutus.org/TheWikiWay:PersonalPage AboutUs: TheWikiWay:PersonalPage] | :* "It would be great for you to create your personal page, as it helps in creating and expanding a vibrant community composed of Real People. You may add links to your social networks ..." -- [http://www.aboutus.org/TheWikiWay:PersonalPage AboutUs: TheWikiWay:PersonalPage] | ||
: WikiIndex is *different* from other wiki, so it is certainly reasonable for us to do things completely differently from any other wiki. | : WikiIndex is *different* from other wiki, so it is certainly reasonable for us to do things completely differently from any other wiki. | ||