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::::::If I am the main problem here, then why would you threaten to lock and blank the article, leaving only the edit Hoover was deleting?!?!?!? That's extremely confusing to me. We are letting Hoover have his way so he obviously has no reason to discuss the matter further. I'm looking at a more ''long-term'' solution to '''many''' such conflicts. DavidCary said about the RationalWikiWiki article, "since the history page shows back-and-forth bickering a few months ago, I wouldn't say there is "nothing" controversial about it." [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWikiWiki&diff=71253&oldid=71223] and MarkDilley said "...I also highlight what David is saying." [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWikiWiki&diff=71491&oldid=71457]. They could not possibly be talking about me in that case, at least. What is moving articles to talk pages supposed to solve? That is like vandalism. You are never going to get consensus that way. What happens is some editors just give up and let more aggressive editors have their way. I believe rule-by-law, is the most efficient way to achieve real long-term broad consensus. If you and others, periodically post comments on the policy pages, just like everyone was doing before, eventually we may be able to establish some common ground on which to build a conflict resolution mechanism that is efficient, equitable, and broadly supported. It is just a matter of how long it will take. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::::If I am the main problem here, then why would you threaten to lock and blank the article, leaving only the edit Hoover was deleting?!?!?!? That's extremely confusing to me. We are letting Hoover have his way so he obviously has no reason to discuss the matter further. I'm looking at a more ''long-term'' solution to '''many''' such conflicts. DavidCary said about the RationalWikiWiki article, "since the history page shows back-and-forth bickering a few months ago, I wouldn't say there is "nothing" controversial about it." [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWikiWiki&diff=71253&oldid=71223] and MarkDilley said "...I also highlight what David is saying." [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWikiWiki&diff=71491&oldid=71457]. They could not possibly be talking about me in that case, at least. What is moving articles to talk pages supposed to solve? That is like vandalism. You are never going to get consensus that way. What happens is some editors just give up and let more aggressive editors have their way. I believe rule-by-law, is the most efficient way to achieve real long-term broad consensus. If you and others, periodically post comments on the policy pages, just like everyone was doing before, eventually we may be able to establish some common ground on which to build a conflict resolution mechanism that is efficient, equitable, and broadly supported. It is just a matter of how long it will take. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::[http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk%3APolicies_and_Guidelines&diff=72017&oldid=72003 I'm planning to put a number of proposals in subpages] of [[WikiIndex_talk:Policies_and_Guidelines]], [[User:Lumenos]], and maybe some other places. This means '''very long posts''' when I import them, so I am wondering if this is likely to result in some sort of lockdown by you or Dilley. I honestly do not know if this is what you call "trolling trolling trolling", or what he calls "edit spamming Recent Changes", or something I am not welcome to do here. Could you sorta promise to let us know '''immediately''' before you lockdown a page or something, so that we can change what we are doing, to avoid being "punished"? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::::[http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk%3APolicies_and_Guidelines&diff=72017&oldid=72003 I'm planning to put a number of proposals in subpages] of [[WikiIndex_talk:Policies_and_Guidelines]], [[User:Lumenos]], and maybe some other places. This means '''very long posts''' when I import them, so I am wondering if this is likely to result in some sort of lockdown by you or Dilley. I honestly do not know if this is what you call "trolling trolling trolling", or what he calls "edit spamming Recent Changes", or something I am not welcome to do here. Could you sorta promise to let us know '''immediately''' before you lockdown a page or something, so that we can change what we are doing, to avoid being "punished"? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
(Starting over from column one, for hopefully obvious reasons). Lumenos, all those conflicts you're referring to are over this one article. Which is just one among thousands here. Do you think it's so special to me? It's not. You made it so, by fighting other editors over it, and I'm fed up with that. What I ''really'' want is to delete it permanently, and if that wasn't so blatantly against the goals of WikiIndex, I would. As for consensus, you just mentioned two admins and an editor who seem to agree over what is right, and I'm with them.<br>So who does that leave? ''You'', Lumenos. You're the one who wants verbose policies. You're the one who forces us to wade through huge walls of text. And no, there isn't a character limit, you're just posting far more than anyone else. Can you spell "common sense" and "basic courtesy"? Can you see how badly you stand out from everyone else here?<br>And why are you so worried about being "punished"? Does your life revolve around WikiIndex or something? Well, ours doesn't. We're just trying to make it better, one little piece at a time, because that's all we can afford. Do you want to help, or do you just want to obsess endlessly over one particular article, and play victim when that bothers a whole lot of people?<br>I'll repeat my invitation over to IRC, in the hope that a real-time conversation will help us understand each other better. I don't know what else to say. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 03:50, 1 October 2009 (EDT) | |||