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→Time to end this war: Will you tell us what we are doing wrong, immediately before locking something, so that we will know what to change, to avoid pages being locked?
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::::You are asking me to stop ''what'' exactly? I don't plan to add any link to any debate about a criticism, unless this is supported by a "real" policy (one you actually follow and enforce consistently). I don't think you have any idea how confusing your actions, statements, and "policies" are to me. I wish that the administration would stop blanking and locking articles, and that Dilley would not lock down the wiki, but any instructions we are given to prevent these things are sporadic and vague, in my perception, and the last lockdown was a complete surprise to everyone I read. I've slowed my posts down significantly, as requested. I haven't posted replies to a great many of your allegations, for example. I will try once again to ask you if there is anything else you are requesting. Am I getting warmer or colder? Aside from my reply to Phantom Hoover (which you moved to this location) have I been compliant with your (ambiguous) instructions? Could we have just a simple list of specific things to stop doing? And maybe I could have some idea of a limit as to how many characters per day, are too much to post? (A few clear and objective "policies", in other words.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 03:55, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | ::::You are asking me to stop ''what'' exactly? I don't plan to add any link to any debate about a criticism, unless this is supported by a "real" policy (one you actually follow and enforce consistently). I don't think you have any idea how confusing your actions, statements, and "policies" are to me. I wish that the administration would stop blanking and locking articles, and that Dilley would not lock down the wiki, but any instructions we are given to prevent these things are sporadic and vague, in my perception, and the last lockdown was a complete surprise to everyone I read. I've slowed my posts down significantly, as requested. I haven't posted replies to a great many of your allegations, for example. I will try once again to ask you if there is anything else you are requesting. Am I getting warmer or colder? Aside from my reply to Phantom Hoover (which you moved to this location) have I been compliant with your (ambiguous) instructions? Could we have just a simple list of specific things to stop doing? And maybe I could have some idea of a limit as to how many characters per day, are too much to post? (A few clear and objective "policies", in other words.) [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 03:55, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::::Funny how nobody else finds the WikiIndex (admittedly unwritten) policies confusing. Funny how nobody else ever felt a need to write them down. Are you sure the problem is with us? Is it so difficult to just use common sense? I see Phantom Hoover has dropped the issue regarding the RationalWiki article; if you're willing to do the same (formally, as I see you're not editing it anymore), we can all move on. Then, if you want to try and establish strict policies, feel free to rally other WikiIndex members, but I predict a lukewarm response, if any. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 13:08, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | :::::Funny how nobody else finds the WikiIndex (admittedly unwritten) policies confusing. Funny how nobody else ever felt a need to write them down. Are you sure the problem is with us? Is it so difficult to just use common sense? I see Phantom Hoover has dropped the issue regarding the RationalWiki article; if you're willing to do the same (formally, as I see you're not editing it anymore), we can all move on. Then, if you want to try and establish strict policies, feel free to rally other WikiIndex members, but I predict a lukewarm response, if any. [[Felix Pleşoianu]] | <small>[[User talk:Felix|talk]]</small> 13:08, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::If I am the main problem here, then why would you threaten to lock and blank the article, leaving only the edit Hoover was deleting?!?!?!? That's extremely confusing to me. We are letting Hoover have his way so he obviously has no reason to discuss the matter further. I'm looking at a more ''long-term'' solution to '''many''' such conflicts. DavidCary said about the RationalWikiWiki article, "since the history page shows back-and-forth bickering a few months ago, I wouldn't say there is "nothing" controversial about it." [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWikiWiki&diff=71253&oldid=71223] and MarkDilley said "...I also highlight what David is saying." [http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ARationalWikiWiki&diff=71491&oldid=71457]. They could not possibly be talking about me in that case, at least. What is moving articles to talk pages supposed to solve? That is like vandalism. You are never going to get consensus that way. What happens is some editors just give up and let more aggressive editors have their way. I believe rule-by-law, is the most efficient way to achieve real long-term broad consensus. If you and others, periodically post comments on the policy pages, just like everyone was doing before, eventually we may be able to establish some common ground on which to build a conflict resolution mechanism that is efficient, equitable, and broadly supported. It is just a matter of how long it will take. [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | |||
::::::[http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk%3APolicies_and_Guidelines&diff=72017&oldid=72003 I'm planning to put a number of proposals in subpages] of [[WikiIndex_talk:Policies_and_Guidelines]], [[User:Lumenos]], and maybe some other places. This means '''very long posts''' when I import them, so I am wondering if this is likely to result in some sort of lockdown by you or Dilley. I honestly do not know if this is what you call "trolling trolling trolling", or what he calls "edit spamming Recent Changes", or something I am not welcome to do here. Could you sorta promise to let us know '''immediately''' before you lockdown a page or something, so that we can change what we are doing, to avoid being "punished"? [[User:Lumenos|Lumenos]] 21:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT) | |||