WikiIndex:Policies and Guidelines

I (Lumenos) searched for some policy pages and found only WikiIndex:Editing_etiquette. A block policy doesn't exist (aside from "spam") and is being discussed on WikiIndex_talk:Blocking_Policy. This seemed to be a source of confusion and conflict so I made this article to sort through a number of these specific issues. Please add your suggestions or questions here or on the talk page. (You can create user name links easily with "~~~" or "~~~~".)

Enforcement policies

When naming policies it helps to specify what type of "enforcement" is appropriate for the "violation". Here are some suggested enforcement categories:

1. Etiquette: Guide to help polite people to be polite. Does not imply any enforcement.
2. Tag: Placing "warning tags" on info that is dubious, impolite, etc. What categories of info warrents this?
3. Eventual deletion: What categories of info should be deleted eventually, if the warning tags are ignored?
4. Speedy deletion
5. Oversite: A term that means the information will be completely vaporized! Well almost.
6. Block editor: See WikiIndex_talk:Blocking_Policy.

I suggest we discuss block policy there, and that it is good that we clearly separate the etiquette policy from the enforcement policy, because "enforcing politeness" isn't always polite nor is is always practical at archiving its ends.

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Here are some specific issues that have been a sources of conflicts:

Biographical info

Before biographical information should be posted about anyone (or their pseudonym), both of the following criteria should be met:

1. The person meets WikiIndex's notability requirement.
2. The information was obtained "legitimately": This may be defined by their level of consent, or at least it would probably have to be within legal requirements or WikiIndex may be subject to a lawsuit.

Who is "notable" enough to warrant biographical info be posted about them?

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Biographical information should not be included if it does not meet the following standard:

For now Lumenos suggests the standard be defined by "local" laws and Wikipedia's policy on biographical info until a standard more specific to WikiIndex can be established.

Since this is WikiIndex, I'd stick to people who are important in the world of Wikis, such as creators of established engines and people like Jimmy Wales. For guidelines on how to write the biographies, Wikipedia does look like a good model to follow. Felix Pleşoianu | talk 12:07, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

I'd really like to eventually allow editors to post some reviews of the administration of wikis, but that gets into the shady area of libel and it seems like we may just be better off with excluding all of it, if people are just gonna war about it all the time. It is fairly notable information, but I suppose the talk pages are serving that purpose alright for now. Lumenos 17:07, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

Libel's not really your problem; the problem is the quality being compromised by people with unjustified vendettas putting silly claims there. Phantom Hoover 17:12, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

The following is up for review: please add your suggestions, comments, and questions:

Youth

Separate standards should be established based on age (note these would be in addition to local legal standards that already exist, someone might provide some links to those):

• Privacy of "children" (under 14 years of age)
• Privacy of "adolescents" (14 to 18 years of age)
• Privacy of "adults" (18 or older)

There is of course, a little difficulty, at least in distinguishing adolescents from adults and distinguishing children from adolescents when we are dealing with only text.

Legitimate acquisition of biographical info about "adults"

How the information was obtained:

• When the "victim" puts information about themselves, in a place on the Internet, that they know is visible to anyone who finds it (without any "hacking"):
• "Private" online conversations.
• Someone reveals a secret about someone they know from real life:
  • When the person is basically open about their "secret" but doesn't want it completely public or connected with certain online identities.
  • Info gained from eavesdropping when a reasonable expectation of privacy would be expected.
• Photos taken of someone, their residence, automobile (license #), etc.
• Photos from outside, into someone's home or backyard.
• Hacking or wiretapping.
• (Any other ideas for the geek paparazzi?)

Where should this information be forbidden?

• Should this information be deleted from articles on WikiIndex?
• How about talk pages or edit histories:
  • When it is for the apparent administrative purpose of "analyzing" the claims to determine enforcement or advice?
  • When the apparent purpose of posting the "private" info is to "punish" or "protest" by means of exposing this "private" info?

Implementation or enforcement

After we reach some consensus standard, as to what is polite or legitimate, the second question is, what is the polite or legitimate way to implement or enforce these guidelines? Will censoring actually work or will it result in the Streisand effect? If you have even one determined "protester", privacy is quite difficult to protect once the "info genie" is out of the bottle. Especially when there are edit histories, and talk pages where most any info is generally allowed, forums where only administrators can remove info from posts, etc. No one is reading only this one site. The block, delete, and oversite policies must take into account the logistic/practical question of whether these measures will have the intended result. This has to be balanced according to geek mob rule community consensus. Lumenos

Notablity

Notablity: A notability guide concerning linking ("spamming"), in other wikis articles:

How large or active does a wiki need to be to be included in another wikis article? What is the minimum number of regular editors, if this is important?

Should the quality of the wikis content also be considered? If so, who is to make this evaluation?

How close to the subject matter do they have to be, to have a link on that wikis page? Most importantly, who decides this?

This wiki obviously can't use Wikipedia's notability policy or it will end up with a tiny list like this.

How sympathetic or critical? (Who decides?)

Are the articles on wikis to be sympathetic, critical, both, or "neutral"?

Wikipedia supposedly uses the "neutral" approach.

This offers much opportunity for censorship and edit waring. Lumenos

Wikinfo deals with edit wars by making the main article sympathetic, and posting a link at the top of that article, to an article devoted solely to criticism.

This sort of policy sounds like it might work here, if y'all agree. Lumenos

But really the all important question is, 'When there is not consensus, should the wikis users primarily control their wikis article or should it be administrators here?'

Claims and evidence

(Wikipedia's verifiability policy)

Should WikiIndex make claims, quote sources, or only make claims as to what sources claim?

I prefer to quote sources, but this is not customary here. So sometimes I write like "Bob claims that...", but this comes across as suspicious and can be very repetitive when everything is a claim I heard somewhere. Wikipedia's policy is probably the best compromise I can think of at the moment. References can be simple web links in the body of articles since this wiki doesn't really look like it is made for paper. Note that since WikiIndex inclusion policy is broader than Wikipedia, many sources will be self-published sources (Wikipedia ordinary does not allow these) who are only considered "reliable" for info such as describing their own intentions for their wiki's, etc. (Lumenos)

Should WikiIndex allow editors to be "eyewitnesses" or speak in the first person?

I think so. I think we should allow putting the "signatures" into the articles (as Lumenos does here using this "~~~" wiki markup code) if there is no link or reference that can be easily provided or when there is a reference but it is too long for most to read to find the relevant information. Newbies may not understand what these names are but I value accuracy and I think it is not too difficult to understand or it least, it shouldn't be too distracting if they want to ignore it. What do you think? (Lumenos)

This may also help in evaluating an editors reputation, to establish whether they deserve more or less power. (Lumenos)

Community consensus

To resolve or set boundaries on conflict, I (Lumenos) suggest we work with the community here to establish policies that attempt to reflect how they want this content filtered and organized. And that any policies be updatable (deletable) according to how the community changes. By definition, we can only reflect the will of editors (not those who only read without leaving feedback of some sort) but we may put up some messages welcoming suggestions or questions as to the policy, and leave these pages OpenEdit as long as possible.