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In sections of the the Category:Wikia "Skins" through "Criticism" there are among other things clear bias in many places. "Until recently, people who understood how to use preferences could choose which skin they used, but even this choice will now stop." ... Will now stop? Proof? Isn't this biased comment past tense too? People came here during the change of skins and used this page to vent. Most people didn't leave Wikia as new wikis are started everyday there. It is a silly opinionated section made to get back at wikia and to promote other wiki services. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:10, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | In sections of the the [[:Category:Wikia]] "Skins" through "Criticism" there are among other things clear bias in many places. "Until recently, people who understood how to use preferences could choose which skin they used, but even this choice will now stop." ... Will now stop? Proof? Isn't this biased comment past tense too? People came here during the change of skins and used this page to vent. Most people didn't leave Wikia as new wikis are started everyday there. It is a silly opinionated section made to get back at wikia and to promote other wiki services. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:10, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ||
:I dont' see anything wrong with anything there. Monaco was the default, it was more customizable than monobook, monobook cannot be the default skin, it was frustrating for some, statistics are wikias, monaco was liked as people complained about losing it, there was a lot of opposition to oasis and many sites and users did leave. Nothing there is a lie or biased in any way, if its true and complete it cannot be biased - Monaco - true, customizable - true, no default - true, frustrating - true, stats - true, complaints - true, opposition - true, leaving - true. And the reason most people didn't leave wikia is because they were mostly oblivious to how much wikia controlled their work and used them for money, that is also true as evident by wikias use of ads and the fact that they have banned people who spoke against them. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) 23:19, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | :I dont' see anything wrong with anything there. Monaco was the default, it was more customizable than monobook, monobook cannot be the default skin, it was frustrating for some, statistics are wikias, monaco was liked as people complained about losing it, there was a lot of opposition to oasis and many sites and users did leave. Nothing there is a lie or biased in any way, if its true and complete it cannot be biased - Monaco - true, customizable - true, no default - true, frustrating - true, stats - true, complaints - true, opposition - true, leaving - true. And the reason most people didn't leave wikia is because they were mostly oblivious to how much wikia controlled their work and used them for money, that is also true as evident by wikias use of ads and the fact that they have banned people who spoke against them. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) 23:19, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ||
::Currently I'm a wikia user (since 2008) and you seem by your profile to be anti-wikia. Perhaps a third party is in order. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:26, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ::Currently I'm a wikia user (since 2008) and you seem by your profile to be anti-wikia. Perhaps a third party is in order. [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] ([[User talk:Devilmanozzy|talk]]) 23:26, 18 August 2012 (PDT) | ||
:::I am anti-wikia, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and unwilling to listen to those people who made them as big as they are - as evident by the changes you removed and then put back, I am not the only one. Anything can be claimed as bias by either side, its pointless arguing over these things. I'll just go back to editing the many much better wikis that I operate independently and on Wikkii and you can go back to editing the childish excuses for wikis on wikia.....there see that right there is bias from your opinion but not from mine. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) | :::I am anti-wikia, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and unwilling to listen to those people who made them as big as they are - as evident by the changes you removed and then put back, I am not the only one. Anything can be claimed as bias by either side, its pointless arguing over these things. I'll just go back to editing the many much better wikis that I operate independently and on Wikkii and you can go back to editing the childish excuses for wikis on wikia.....there see that right there is bias from your opinion but not from mine. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] ([[User talk:Escyos|talk]]) | ||
===3rd opinion=== | |||
Both of you raise interesting comments and observations, and both, to a certain extent are accurate and valid. Personally, I have no axe to grind against Wikia or indeed any other host or wiki farm, but I do think that it is perfectly acceptable to detail failings and criticisms against any host - providing that it is submitted here as a form of commentary, and more importantly, that it is '''fair, reasonable and accurate'''. However, IMOVHO, I ''do'' think that Wikia have questions to answer - around many aspects of its operation, including advertising, and malicious code it hides. And whilst it is very true that new wikis are frequently being created on Wikia, the amount of wikis which have been abandoned on Wikia is startling! | |||
To the specifics of this section - what may be one persons 'enthusiastic' effort to express the 'warts and all' truth - may be seen by another as bias, and vice-versa. Providing that commentary on WikiIndex is fair and accurate, it should stay. We won't tollerate personal attacks, nor blatant profanities or other inflamatory language. Interestingly, checking its [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikia&action=history history] , I see no edits from the one who has been accused of bias, namely [[User:Escyos|Escyos]], and based on the version as of [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikia&oldid=141509 this timestamp] , I find no reason to call the article biased. I do concede that [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Category:Wikia&oldid=126153 this earlier edit] , which was current for when [[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] raised his concerns, ''may'' not have been ideal - with the perception of favouring the criticism section over other content. | |||
In light of all what is said above, please respect each others' rights to free speach. Happy editing to all, best regards, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 09:52, 5 October 2012 (PDT) | |||