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For help, see [[WikiIndex:WikiProject - By Size]] | |||
See also: [[:Category:Wiki Size]]. | See also: [[:Category:Wiki Size]]. | ||
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I just reverted an anon change to put this table on the right. Maybe that's appropriate, if it's right underneath our main wiki template, but the way I'm visioning this right now, it'll be at the very bottom of the page, and centered. Of course this can change. Please discuss when changing again. Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | I just reverted an anon change to put this table on the right. Maybe that's appropriate, if it's right underneath our main wiki template, but the way I'm visioning this right now, it'll be at the very bottom of the page, and centered. Of course this can change. Please discuss when changing again. Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | ||
: All comments on formatting welcome, including placement on the page. Should it be right-justified under the Wiki template? or centered like now? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 19:28, 10 Mar 2006 (EST) | :All comments on formatting welcome, including placement on the page. Should it be right-justified under the Wiki template? or centered like now? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 19:28, 10 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
Since it overlaps the main template box on small screens when centered, I moved it to the left today. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:23, 13 Mar 2006 (EST) | Since it overlaps the main template box on small screens when centered, I moved it to the left today. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:23, 13 Mar 2006 (EST) | ||
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== Do you like it raw? == | == Do you like it raw? == | ||
When providing a link to a wiki's statistics, is the raw count preferred, or the more user-friendly version? Obviously, it's up to the editor's discretion, but is there any advantage to providing the raw statistics without the accompanying explanations? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:16, 6 October 2008 (EDT) | When providing a link to a wiki's statistics, is the raw count preferred, or the more user-friendly version? Obviously, it's up to the editor's discretion, but is there any advantage to providing the raw statistics without the accompanying explanations? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 16:16, 6 October 2008 (EDT) | ||
: Raw is good for MediaWikis in rarely spoken languages i.e. Chinese, because raw is in "SimpleEnglish". --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:25, 21 December 2008 (EST) | : Raw is good for [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWikis]] in rarely spoken languages i.e. Chinese, because raw is in "SimpleEnglish". --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 06:25, 21 December 2008 (EST) | ||
::Raw does <u>not</u> currently work on Wikia sites (it returns an unrecognised expression error message). And on non-Western language MediaWikis, raw does not always render numeric values in western digits - I end up looking up the data on the [ | ::Raw does <u>not</u> currently work on [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] sites (it returns an unrecognised expression error message). And on non-Western language MediaWikis, raw does not always render numeric values in western digits - I end up looking up the data on the [[Meta-Wiki:List of Wikipedias#All Wikipedias ordered by number of articles|meta table]]. So my own personal experience is that raw is actually a detriment to the current template, and is currently serving no purpose! [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 01:57, 21 June 2011 (PDT) | ||
::: The use of the ''raw'' version was only a suggestion and is not planned to be integrated here (as far as I know). So it can be decided on a case by case basis. Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:13, 21 June 2011 (PDT) | ::: The use of the ''raw'' version was only a suggestion and is not planned to be integrated here (as far as I know). So it can be decided on a case by case basis. Best --[[Wolf Peuker|Wolf]] | <small>[[User talk:Peu|talk]]</small> 02:13, 21 June 2011 (PDT) | ||
::::It definately ''had'' been implemented . . . on most of the Wikia sites, where the 'long-hand' size template was used (rather than the shorthand templates which are used on most Wikipedia/Wiktionary etc), the raw was used in the long URL entry. I've had to correct loads of these. And as for the Wikipedia/Wiktionary etc short-code templates, it seems to have been implemented into these too - though these don't seem to be causing a problem. Back to where raw has been used on the Wikia entries, it isn't a problem for experienced wiki editors to correct this, but for the causal wiki reader (like: ''what happens when I click here'') - an error message doesn't look very good nor very professional - so we should both refrain from using raw on Wikia entries, and correct any existing Wikia entries which use it. Rgds, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 04:22, 21 June 2011 (PDT) | ::::It definately ''had'' been implemented . . . on most of the Wikia sites, where the 'long-hand' size template was used (rather than the shorthand templates which are used on most [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]]/[[:Category:Wiktionary|Wiktionary]] etc), the raw was used in the long URL entry. I've had to correct loads of these. And as for the Wikipedia/Wiktionary etc short-code templates, it seems to have been implemented into these too - though these don't seem to be causing a problem. Back to where raw has been used on the Wikia entries, it isn't a problem for experienced wiki editors to correct this, but for the causal wiki reader (like: ''what happens when I click here'') - an error message doesn't look very good nor very professional - so we should both refrain from using raw on Wikia entries, and correct any existing Wikia entries which use it. Rgds, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Hoof Hearted]] 04:22, 21 June 2011 (PDT) | ||
=== action=raw is deprecated === | === action=raw is deprecated === | ||
According to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27331 we can expect at least MediaWiki 1.18 and subsequent versions to fail to honour the "action=raw" parameter on [[special:statistics]]. The statistics page will display as if the "raw" parameter isn't there, so this is mostly an issue for any automated scripts which grab page counts from multiple MediaWiki projects. If the only reason for using "raw" was to force English-language output, perhaps "uselang=en" would be suitable? | According to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27331 we can expect at least [[:Category:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] 1.18 and subsequent versions to fail to honour the "action=raw" parameter on [[special:statistics]]. The statistics page will display as if the "raw" parameter isn't there, so this is mostly an issue for any automated scripts which grab page counts from multiple MediaWiki projects. If the only reason for using "raw" was to force English-language output, perhaps "uselang=en" would be suitable? | ||
I'm not sure why this would affect Wikia as they normally run one version outdated by design. It does affect [[Kamelopedia]] and a couple of minor languages recently added to the [[Uncyclopedia]] series, as well as possibly [[Wikipedia]] itself (as the location of the original bug report). Odds are, once the "alpha" designation is removed from MediaWiki 1.18 in a month or so, "action=raw" will break on wikis updating to that version in significant number? --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 21:13, 28 July 2011 (PDT) | I'm not sure why this would affect [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] as they normally run one version outdated by design. It does affect [[Kamelopedia]] and a couple of minor languages recently added to the [[Uncyclopedia]] series, as well as possibly [[:Category:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] itself (as the location of the original bug report). Odds are, once the "alpha" designation is removed from MediaWiki 1.18 in a month or so, "action=raw" will break on wikis updating to that version in significant number? --[[User:Carlb|Carlb]] 21:13, 28 July 2011 (PDT) | ||
:For me, it's easy to tell which number is which even in Ethiopian on modern MediaWiki installations (older ones are more annoying that way). As long as action=raw redirects to the regular stats page instead of throwing up an error message like on Wikia then there's no big deal. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 07 29 2011 | :For me, it's easy to tell which number is which even in Ethiopian on modern MediaWiki installations (older ones are more annoying that way). As long as action=raw redirects to the regular stats page instead of throwing up an error message like on Wikia then there's no big deal. '''[[User talk:Elassint|Elassint]]''', 07 29 2011 | ||
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Cool! Saw the proposal about moving this into a new updated Wiki template - sounds great! I want to also think about throwing the parameter of the size of the [[wikiFactor]] into the template, so that on the category page, they are ordered by size and not alphabetically. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | Cool! Saw the proposal about moving this into a new updated Wiki template - sounds great! I want to also think about throwing the parameter of the size of the [[wikiFactor]] into the template, so that on the category page, they are ordered by size and not alphabetically. Best, [[MarkDilley]] | ||
:I agree; I think ordering by size is indeed more useful than by the wiki name. --[[User:Spud Gun | <b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[ | :I agree; I think ordering by size is indeed more useful than by the wiki name. --[[User:Spud Gun | <b><FONT COLOR="#8B3A3A">Carl McBride</FONT></b>]] ([[User talk:Spud Gun |talk]]) 06:53, 14 April 2009 (EDT) | ||
Can category pages count in the wikiFactor calculation? The 3rd most viewed page on my wiki is a category page, which does not show up on Special:PopularPages but does show up on Special:Statistics. [[User:Gwsuperfan|Gwsuperfan]] 10:23, 4 July 2011 (PDT) | Can category pages count in the wikiFactor calculation? The 3rd most viewed page on my wiki is a category page, which does not show up on Special:PopularPages but does show up on Special:Statistics. [[User:Gwsuperfan|Gwsuperfan]] 10:23, 4 July 2011 (PDT) | ||