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[[WikiIndex:People pages|Wiki people pages]] go in the main article space per John's comment.
[[WikiIndex:People pages|Wiki people pages]] go in the main article space per John's comment.
:We kind of hope that WikiIndex will be more than a [[:Category:All|list of all wiki sites]].  Initially we have added [[:Category:Wiki People|Wiki People]] as the second major dataset.  As we have done in [[ICANNWiki]], we hope to be able to put names to faces and build a more connected and less isolated community of people who consider themselves wiki people. We hope to really kick this off at the [[RecentChangesCamp]] in Feb. To answer your question directly we would like to keep all of these major datasets in the main namespace to facilitate cross-linking of the datasets. In the case of the [[user]] namespace we don't want to limit Wiki People to users and we don't want them to have to use the namespace prefix when cross-linking. [[User:John Stanton|John Stanton]] 12:26, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
:We kind of hope that WikiIndex will be more than a [[:Category:All|list of all wiki sites]].  Initially we have added [[:Category:Wiki people|Wiki people]] as the second major dataset.  As we have done in [[ICANNWiki]], we hope to be able to put names to faces and build a more connected and less isolated community of people who consider themselves wiki people. We hope to really kick this off at the [[RecentChangesCamp]] in Feb. To answer your question directly we would like to keep all of these major datasets in the main namespace to facilitate cross-linking of the datasets. In the case of the [[user]] namespace we don't want to limit Wiki people to users and we don't want them to have to use the namespace prefix when cross-linking. [[User:John Stanton|John Stanton]] 12:26, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
What else goes here?
What else goes here?
:Are we using the [[Special:Random]] feature?  If not, never mind.  If so, then I believe it searches only in the main namespace, so if we want people to be able to find random wikis only, not random users or [[:Category:Meta|meta]] conversations, let's take this into account.
:Are we using the [[Special:Random]] feature?  If not, never mind.  If so, then I believe it searches only in the main namespace, so if we want people to be able to find random wikis only, not random users or [[:Category:Meta|meta]] conversations, let's take this into account.
::I think Random pages are not an important issue to us right now. [[User:John Stanton|John Stanton]] 12:26, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
::I think Random pages are not an important issue to us right now. [[User:John Stanton|John Stanton]] 12:26, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
:::And even if Random pages feature is used, Wiki People would be pages you want to be found this way, so that works as well. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
:::And even if Random pages feature is used, Wiki people would be pages you want to be found this way, so that works as well. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
Moving these here from the [[article]] where they were listed as examples.  [[WikiNode]], [[TourBusStop]], [[sandbox]].  Is it okay to talk about them?  In my mind, if we have an articles about [[WikiNodes Wiki]], the network & general concept, that goes in the main namespace.  Our own WikiNode, however, goes in the WikiIndex namespace.  I can be persuaded on this.  I'm thinking that the same goes for the other two.  An article about the [[WikiTourBus|tour bus system]] would go in main, but our stop goes in [[:Category:WikiIndex|WikiIndex:]].  An article about the sandbox concept could go in main and our sandbox in WikiIndex.  '''And''' perhaps I'm looking at this all wrong.  I'm thinking of it as "outward facing" and "inward facing".  For people that are coming here to use the resource we're creating, we want them to only really see the outward-facing stuff.  For those that want to [[edit]], to participate, to be a guest or a visitor or a participant, then they can see under the hood and see the WikiIndex namespace.  This is just where I'm coming from at the moment.  Would love to hear others ways of looking at this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:54, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
Moving these here from the [[article]] where they were listed as examples.  [[WikiNode]], [[TourBusStop]], [[sandbox]].  Is it okay to talk about them?  In my mind, if we have an articles about [[WikiNodes Wiki]], the network & general concept, that goes in the main namespace.  Our own WikiNode, however, goes in the WikiIndex namespace.  I can be persuaded on this.  I'm thinking that the same goes for the other two.  An article about the [[WikiTourBus|tour bus system]] would go in main, but our stop goes in [[:Category:WikiIndex|WikiIndex:]].  An article about the sandbox concept could go in main and our sandbox in WikiIndex.  '''And''' perhaps I'm looking at this all wrong.  I'm thinking of it as "outward facing" and "inward facing".  For people that are coming here to use the resource we're creating, we want them to only really see the outward-facing stuff.  For those that want to [[edit]], to participate, to be a guest or a visitor or a participant, then they can see under the hood and see the WikiIndex namespace.  This is just where I'm coming from at the moment.  Would love to hear others ways of looking at this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:54, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)


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It is helpful, because I know you have ideas about organization, it is just us trying to discover our ([[diff]])! :-)  Do '''WikiIndex: Foo''' stay out of the [[Special:Random|random page generator]]?  Or is it that they are labeled that way, and thus more easily distinguished by the average user? [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
It is helpful, because I know you have ideas about organization, it is just us trying to discover our ([[diff]])! :-)  Do '''WikiIndex: Foo''' stay out of the [[Special:Random|random page generator]]?  Or is it that they are labeled that way, and thus more easily distinguished by the average user? [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
:We're not using the random page thing at this point, so I'd saw we should ignore that as an argument for namespaces.  My present feeling on this is the meta pages should use WikiIndex:Foo because they are internal documents of, by, and for [[editor]]s of this wiki.  External documents are anything we think the average reader should be seeing.  As described above, so far we have [[:Category:All|all wikis]], [[:Category:Wiki People|Wiki People]], and ArticlesAboutWikiSphere in that category.  If you'd like to also have the meta pages there, obviously you can.  And since that's simpler, maybe it's even better that way.  We know [[template]] and [[category]] are useful namespaces because they have different functionality.  [[WikiIndex:Talk Pages for Wiki People|User talk]] is useful because of the notification feature.  Those are all of the namespace-related functions that I know of.  If your requirement is functionality, then I see no reason at all to use the [[:Category:WikiIndex|WikiIndex: namespace]].  I can't really come up with anything convincing to say why we should use it for meta conversations, but I still think we should.  I will not pout if it's decide otherwise. :-) [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:50, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
:We're not using the random page thing at this point, so I'd saw we should ignore that as an argument for namespaces.  My present feeling on this is the meta pages should use WikiIndex:Foo because they are internal documents of, by, and for [[editor]]s of this wiki.  External documents are anything we think the average reader should be seeing.  As described above, so far we have [[:Category:All|all wikis]], [[:Category:Wiki people|Wiki people]], and ArticlesAboutWikiSphere in that category.  If you'd like to also have the meta pages there, obviously you can.  And since that's simpler, maybe it's even better that way.  We know [[template]] and [[category]] are useful namespaces because they have different functionality.  [[WikiIndex:Talk pages for wiki people|User talk]] is useful because of the notification feature.  Those are all of the namespace-related functions that I know of.  If your requirement is functionality, then I see no reason at all to use the [[:Category:WikiIndex|WikiIndex: namespace]].  I can't really come up with anything convincing to say why we should use it for meta conversations, but I still think we should.  I will not pout if it's decide otherwise. :-) [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:50, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)


Example of how I think of namespaces: http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/MemeTank:Meme - the namespace here is MemeTank: [[MarkDilley]]
Example of how I think of namespaces: http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/MemeTank:Meme - the namespace here is MemeTank: [[MarkDilley]]
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Looking at the [[WikiNode]], [[TourBusStop]], [[sandbox]], articles - as mentioned by [[TedErnst]] earlier, made me think that these are pages that people elsewhere may or may not want in their main namespace. So I think they are very good examples of something that could be viewed from the point of view of external wiki-editors.
Looking at the [[WikiNode]], [[TourBusStop]], [[sandbox]], articles - as mentioned by [[TedErnst]] earlier, made me think that these are pages that people elsewhere may or may not want in their main namespace. So I think they are very good examples of something that could be viewed from the point of view of external wiki-editors.


WikiNode and TourBusStop in particular, are projects that people are trying to "push" onto other wikis, so thinking about how dumping them into someone's main namespace '''might''' be seen as disruptive might be helpful in thinking of the best way to "market" these two [[:Category:WikiConcept|concepts]] to other wikis.
WikiNode and TourBusStop in particular, are projects that people are trying to "push" onto other wikis, so thinking about how dumping them into someone's main namespace '''might''' be seen as disruptive might be helpful in thinking of the best way to "market" these two [[:Category:Wiki concept|concepts]] to other wikis.


To help explain this, on my own wiki ([[Spelljammer Wiki]]) I'm trying to build up an encyclopedia of canon for an out of print role playing game. Having a WikiNode pop up on a random page search might not bother [[WikiIndex]], but it would be more likely to confuse my own visitors. Projecting yourself into my boots and thinking about how '''I''' can make that a "backdoor" way into '''my''' wiki, might make it easier for you to "sell" this inter-wiki concept.
To help explain this, on my own wiki ([[Spelljammer Wiki]]) I'm trying to build up an encyclopedia of canon for an out of print role playing game. Having a WikiNode pop up on a random page search might not bother [[WikiIndex]], but it would be more likely to confuse my own visitors. Projecting yourself into my boots and thinking about how '''I''' can make that a "backdoor" way into '''my''' wiki, might make it easier for you to "sell" this inter-wiki concept.
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On a third note, you have a few wikis (I think it is mostly [[wiki farm]]s) that are listed as [[Special:Categories|categories]] instead of normal pages in the main namespace. This means that if I search for something that is on the Wikia page, I won't see it. Having the content in main, and then having a link to "List of Wikia wikis" that points to the [[category]]  could help get the search box to give the expected results.
On a third note, you have a few wikis (I think it is mostly [[wiki farm]]s) that are listed as [[Special:Categories|categories]] instead of normal pages in the main namespace. This means that if I search for something that is on the Wikia page, I won't see it. Having the content in main, and then having a link to "List of Wikia wikis" that points to the [[category]]  could help get the search box to give the expected results.


On another note, you have a few big wikis (like [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]), where people have added comments about how the wiki works. If you have a very complex wiki - and a [[:Category:WikiFarm|wiki farm]] is a good example, it might be easier for visitors to have the basic stuff on a normal page (in the main namespace) and then use a bespoke namespace (in this case Wikia:) to dump all the other stuff. A Wikia namespace, could be used for creating various lists of Wikia wikis by different categories. It could also be used for creating something like a page that explains how people go about requesting a Wikia wiki*.
On another note, you have a few big wikis (like [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]]), where people have added comments about how the wiki works. If you have a very complex wiki - and a [[:Category:Wiki farm|wiki farm]] is a good example, it might be easier for visitors to have the basic stuff on a normal page (in the main namespace) and then use a bespoke namespace (in this case Wikia:) to dump all the other stuff. A Wikia namespace, could be used for creating various lists of Wikia wikis by different categories. It could also be used for creating something like a page that explains how people go about requesting a Wikia wiki*.


''* = To counterpoint this sort of embedded specialist advice (for specific wiki farms), the main namespace could have a page that explains how to download and install each type of [[:Category:Wiki Engine|wiki software]] (or at least, how to find the information elsewhere). So as well as listing [[:Category:All|all the wikis]] in the [[:Category:Global|world]], you could also help people to start their own [[wiki]] (or sign up with any wiki farm in the world). I think a comparison of how various [[:Category:Wiki syntax|wiki code]] works may also be something that helps people to decide how helpful various [[:Category:Wiki Engine|wiki engines]] could be to them.''
''* = To counterpoint this sort of embedded specialist advice (for specific wiki farms), the main namespace could have a page that explains how to download and install each type of [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki software]] (or at least, how to find the information elsewhere). So as well as listing [[:Category:All|all the wikis]] in the [[:Category:Global|world]], you could also help people to start their own [[wiki]] (or sign up with any wiki farm in the world). I think a comparison of how various [[:Category:Wiki syntax|wiki code]] works may also be something that helps people to decide how helpful various [[:Category:Wiki engine|wiki engines]] could be to them.''


Just a few of suggestions for the conversation. I'll be interested to see how this wiki ends up using main. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 07:22, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
Just a few of suggestions for the conversation. I'll be interested to see how this wiki ends up using main. [[User:David Shepheard|David Shepheard]] 07:22, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
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