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*Lying, by either including deliberately false article content, or lying in their own conduct; | *Lying, by either including deliberately false article content, or lying in their own conduct; | ||
*Vandalism and cyber-terrorist tactics. | *Vandalism and cyber-terrorist tactics. | ||
As for [[RationalWiki]], despite what it is said on the main page of that site regarding their own intelligence, is nothing more than a joke. [[ | As for [[RationalWiki]], despite what it is said on the main page of that site regarding their own intelligence, is nothing more than a joke. [[Special:Contributions/70.156.10.208|70.156.10.208]] 07:37, 26 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
::The intelligence of the contributors to various wikis is not what this article is about. Nor the question of whether some wiki is "a joke". [[User:William Ackerman|William Ackerman]] 13:45, 25 August 2008 (EDT) | ::The intelligence of the contributors to various wikis is not what this article is about. Nor the question of whether some wiki is "a joke". [[User talk:William Ackerman|William Ackerman]] 13:45, 25 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
:Someone is jealous. [[ | :Someone is jealous. [[Special:Contributions/24.141.169.227|24.141.169.227]] 16:20, 20 November 2007 (EST) | ||
:Okay, taking these in orde: | :Okay, taking these in orde: | ||
:*"Picking fights" means "trying to insist on historical fact, not the fevered delusions of beady-eyed fanatics. See the Great "Dawkins is a Professor" Debate. | :*"Picking fights" means "trying to insist on historical fact, not the fevered delusions of beady-eyed fanatics. See the Great "Dawkins is a Professor" Debate. | ||
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:*Vandalism is generally destructive acts not fixable with a single mouse-click, so, no. | :*Vandalism is generally destructive acts not fixable with a single mouse-click, so, no. | ||
:**And adding actual, provable facts that happen not to agree with the Schlafly Worldview is only 'vandalism' from within said constricted worldview, but whatever. | :**And adding actual, provable facts that happen not to agree with the Schlafly Worldview is only 'vandalism' from within said constricted worldview, but whatever. | ||
:**Cyberterrorism? Is that where we [ | :**Cyberterrorism? Is that where we [https://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY blow up trucks over the Internet]? | ||
:It's a joke you can believe in, though. Fnord. | :It's a joke you can believe in, though. Fnord. | ||
:Yes, lil' Debbie got me to register here. Who says nothing good comes of Conservapedia? --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 16:55, 1 August 2008 (EDT) | :Yes, lil' Debbie got me to register here. Who says nothing good comes of Conservapedia? --[[User talk:Gulik|Gulik]] 16:55, 1 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
==The "criticism" section== | ==The "criticism" section== | ||
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Before people go looking for other instances of RW people removing "factual material", keep in mind that, on a wiki, people remove stuff, and edit it and move it around, all the time. Including things that are in fact true. | Before people go looking for other instances of RW people removing "factual material", keep in mind that, on a wiki, people remove stuff, and edit it and move it around, all the time. Including things that are in fact true. | ||
Furthermore, I would guess that the person putting that in, presumably Deborah, feels that RW people are removing factual material from ''Conservapedia''. That is a valid criticism, and vandalism of CP is discussed in the "criticism" section. [[User:William Ackerman|William Ackerman]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (EDT) | Furthermore, I would guess that the person putting that in, presumably Deborah, feels that RW people are removing factual material from ''Conservapedia''. That is a valid criticism, and vandalism of CP is discussed in the "criticism" section. [[User talk:William Ackerman|William Ackerman]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
Anyone care to substantiate any of the criticisms in that section? [[ | Anyone care to substantiate any of the criticisms in that section? [[Special:Contributions/24.36.227.74|24.36.227.74]] 21:55, 25 August 2008 (EDT) | ||
==Gibberish== | ==Gibberish== | ||
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Even the criticism section of this wiki is just a rant against Conservapedia! Dont like Conservapedia? Fine! Just ignore it! Get a life! Come on![[User:Eros of Fire|Eros of Fire]] 07:26, 19 November 2008 (EST). | Even the criticism section of this wiki is just a rant against Conservapedia! Dont like Conservapedia? Fine! Just ignore it! Get a life! Come on![[User:Eros of Fire|Eros of Fire]] 07:26, 19 November 2008 (EST). | ||
:I think it's becoming pretty clear what Proxima's motives are here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:24, 19 November 2008 (EST) | :I think it's becoming pretty clear what Proxima's motives are here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:24, 19 November 2008 (EST) | ||
::Warning people away from the intellectual plague-pit that is Conservapedia? Sounds good to me. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 03:27, 28 November 2008 (EST) | ::Warning people away from the intellectual plague-pit that is Conservapedia? Sounds good to me. --[[User talk:Gulik|Gulik]] 03:27, 28 November 2008 (EST) | ||
== | ==WikiIndex== | ||
I have been asked[ | I have been asked[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:DavidCary&diff=59927&oldid=59646] how much criticism is appropriate in the this [[RationalWiki]] article. | ||
May I remind everyone that you are now reading a page on the [[WikiIndex]]? | May I remind everyone that you are now reading a page on the [[WikiIndex]]? | ||
I believe that everything is on-topic somewhere[ | I believe that everything is on-topic somewhere[https://www.CommunityWiki.org/en/OnAndOffTopic]. | ||
However, that does not mean that everything is on-topic here at WikiIndex. | However, that does not mean that everything is on-topic here at WikiIndex. | ||
The WikiIndex page "The Conservapedia RationalWiki war" has been deleted because as far as I can tell | The WikiIndex page "The Conservapedia RationalWiki war" has been deleted because as far as I can tell | ||
(a) a better place for that content is at | (a) a better place for that content is at https://RationalWiki.com/wiki/Essay:The_Conservapedia_RationalWiki_War , and | ||
(b) that war is not a wiki, and therefore off-topic for WikiIndex. | (b) that war is not a wiki, and therefore off-topic for WikiIndex. | ||
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=="Cyberbullying" section== | =="Cyberbullying" section== | ||
Surely [[WikiIndex]] editors should not use article space and admin abilities to pursue grudges about incidents at other [[wiki]]s. I have requested administration on this issue [ | Surely [[WikiIndex]] editors should not use article space and admin abilities to pursue grudges about incidents at other [[wiki]]s. I have requested administration on this issue [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:Active_administrators_of_this_wiki&diff=next&oldid=66868 here.] [[Special:Contributions/213.106.29.88|213.106.29.88]] 09:16, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
It's not a question of a grudge, my right to privacy was not respected and my real name was made public on [[ | It's not a question of a grudge, my right to privacy was not respected and my real name was made public on [[RationalWikiWiki]]. Reapeated requests to remove the information were refused. Responsible wikis don't do that type of thing. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:49, 28 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:'''You''' made your own name public [ | :'''You''' made your own name public [https://RationalWiki.com/wiki/User:Barbara_Shack] | ||
::And you cemented the "evidence" by complaining that the connection was being made between old user ID (your real name) and your new ID (See the RWW article...). I think posting a personal grudge on a site like this is rather odd. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 18:59, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ::And you cemented the "evidence" by complaining that the connection was being made between old user ID (your real name) and your new ID (See the RWW article...). I think posting a personal grudge on a site like this is rather odd. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 18:59, 29 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
I removed the relevant (and highly irrelevant) section. Your "real name was made public on [[ | I removed the relevant (and highly irrelevant) section. Your "real name was made public on [[RationalWikiWiki]]"? So why complain on the wikiindex RW article? Especially considering... well, ''everything'' relating to this silly beef you have. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:39, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
:Where is the admin abuse page on this wiki? I searched long and hard for it, but could not find it. [ | :Where is the admin abuse page on this wiki? I searched long and hard for it, but could not find it. [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=RationalWiki&diff=next&oldid=67346] is a clear case of one person abusing their admin powers to protect an edit they want to protect from criticism. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 05:33, 30 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
::[[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]], but it seems there are no active bureaucrats. | ::[[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]], but it seems there are no active bureaucrats. | ||
:::I'd just like to point out that cyberbullying ''is'' a problem. The clause against personal attacks is ignored so consistantly that it might as well not be there. --Arthro | :::I'd just like to point out that cyberbullying ''is'' a problem. The clause against personal attacks is ignored so consistantly that it might as well not be there. --Arthro | ||
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==Why the page "RationalWiki" was protected== | ==Why the page "RationalWiki" was protected== | ||
: ''In some Moslim if it comes out that a person isan atheist that can mean a death sentence, therfore users need a warning that their privacy isn't safe at RationalWiki.''[ | : ''In some Moslim if it comes out that a person isan atheist that can mean a death sentence, therfore users need a warning that their privacy isn't safe at RationalWiki.''[https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=protect&user=&page=RationalWiki] | ||
I have never seen such an incoherent edit comment, from an admin, or anyone, for that matter. Admin abuse procedures will proceed. PC is pursuing a personal vendetta and using admin powers to protect her edits. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:47, 2 July 2009 (EDT) | I have never seen such an incoherent edit comment, from an admin, or anyone, for that matter. Admin abuse procedures will proceed. PC is pursuing a personal vendetta and using admin powers to protect her edits. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 02:47, 2 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:In Soviet Russia, troll feeds YOU! - therefore users need a warning that their privacy isn't safe at RationalWiki. [[ | :In Soviet Russia, troll feeds YOU! - therefore users need a warning that their privacy isn't safe at RationalWiki. [[Special:Contributions/:213.106.29.88|213.106.29.88]] 18:41, 2 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
::Not if they first sign up using their real name, no. Pretty hard to protect one's privacy after that. Personal vendetta much? Lack of understanding on your part of how to "protect your privacy" much? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:57, 3 July 2009 (EDT) | ::Not if they first sign up using their real name, no. Pretty hard to protect one's privacy after that. Personal vendetta much? Lack of understanding on your part of how to "protect your privacy" much? [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:57, 3 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::Sorry, I sorta missed the joke [blush]. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:44, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | :::Sorry, I sorta missed the joke [blush]. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 01:44, 9 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
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::::::::To that end, I see that you've taken your complaint to the right place: [[Mark Dilley]]. I'd wait for a response from him before engaging in more tit for tat. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:17, 10 July 2009 (EDT) | ::::::::To that end, I see that you've taken your complaint to the right place: [[Mark Dilley]]. I'd wait for a response from him before engaging in more tit for tat. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] 17:17, 10 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
(UI) Thank you, and I see the ridiculous comment is no longer in this article. The magical wiki process must have worked! That is one of the fundamental principles at RW - that people who care will find the best solution/outcome. Glad to see it working here as well. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:34, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | (UI) Thank you, and I see the ridiculous comment is no longer in this article. The magical wiki process must have worked! That is one of the fundamental principles at RW - that people who care will find the best solution/outcome. Glad to see it working here as well. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] 06:34, 12 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::::::If Proxima Centauri is so concerned about her real identity being exposed as an atheist, why on earth does her [[wp:User:Barbara Shack|Wikipedia user page]] boast of the fact? [[ | ::::::::If Proxima Centauri is so concerned about her real identity being exposed as an atheist, why on earth does her [[wp:User:Barbara Shack|Wikipedia user page]] boast of the fact? [[Special:Contributions/205.212.79.99|205.212.79.99]] 14:28, 24 August 2009 (EDT) | ||