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-How do I know if my question goes on Community talk or talk: Community talk? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 11:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
+This idea is to be a space to ask a question when the question is not directed towards a [[:Category:Wiki People|community person]] but towards the whole group, or if you don't know who to ask.
+You may wish to type your question in the search engine to see if there has been a question like yours before, or consult the [[WikiIndexFaq]].
+[[Talk:Community talk|Talk here]].
+==rel nofollow on links to wikis==
+I noticed a page on this wiki that points to one of my wikis. I noticed that the page on this wiki is full of my keywords in the text, meta tags, titles, etc.. I support the idea of this wiki wanting to be a central point for a listing of all wikis, and initially I wasn't too upset about your using the name and keywords of my wiki on your site.
+But on further examination, I discovered that your link to my wiki is done as rel="nofollow".  This tag causes spiders and indexers to ignore the link, so my wiki gets no benefit in return for your use of my information.  Is this fair?
+Essentially you are profiting by the existence of my wiki, along with having my keywords on your site, without giving my wiki the benefit of a real link from yours.
+I understand all the reasons for using rel="nofollow" to prevent wiki spam. But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want. I think with your use of keywords and titles and names of other wikis, the least you can do is make sure they get a real link in return.
+:''Not sure I understand this "But there are creative ways to selectively drop the rel="nofollow" on links that you want." - If we have done this to try and prevent wiki spam, how would we do it otherwise?  No disrespect is intentioned, so thanks for bringing this issue up.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
+:I do not know if MediaWiki can support this out of the box, but here's how I've dealt with these issues: My wikis implement a whitelist of sites that can be linked to, and a regular expression black list of sites that can not be linked to. My wiki implements the whitelist as a list of sites that are linked to directly, and sites not on either the white or black lists are linked to through a redirect script. My wiki refuses to render any URL matching a regexp in the blacklist. Users see nothing in that spot on the page, and admins see the page rendered with "BLOCKED URL yyy" at those spots... I know the whole issue of white and black lists is controversial, but I've found it to be relatively painless way of removing the payload for spammers. Combined with IP block list, and a captcha box for non-authenticated users, 99% of wiki spam is rebuffed before it even gets posted... For this wiki, my suggestion is that whitelisting could be linked to the page names, so that the link to a wiki would be without the rel="nofollow" on it's own page. Obviously this would require some custom code unique to this wiki. - ''Anonymous''
+We have decided to turn this feature off. 22-May-2006
+==Renaming categories==
+How do you rename a category? I don't mean cutting and pasting text to a new page. You should be able to move the page and its edit history to a new location. I can't do it even if I copy the old page title to the move page URL. Can any admin do it?
+I prepared to move [[:Category:OddMuse]] to [[:Category:Oddmuse]], since it is Oddmuse accroding to its [http://www.oddmuse.org official website]. I opened all the articles with the OddMuse category in new tabs, edited them, and then noticed that I can't move the category. Ouch. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 18:10, 7 Mar 2006 (EST)
+:It seems [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Moving_a_category_page no-one can move categories] [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]
+== input requested on categorization (meta) ==
+[[:Category:Browse]] is nicely becoming smaller.  One outstanding issue is that we need a new category for articles related to the whole wiki community that aren't meta to WikiIndex, but sort of meta to all of wikilandia.  [[Books]], [[OptOut]], [[Weblogs]], [[What is a Wiki]] etc.  Any suggestions? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:52, 15 Mar 2006 (EST)
+==[[:Category:Wiki Language]]?==
+Should there be a distinction between wikis that are bilingual (e.g. [[WikiIndex]]-English & French), multilingual (e.g. [[Wikimedia Commons]]-multiple languages used within the same wiki), and multiple languages (e.g. most [[Wikimedia Foundation]] projects, such as the [[Wikipedia]], that have versions in different languages [as subdomains in the case of Wikimedia projects])? [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 00:44, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
+:I just created [[:Category:Deutsch]] as a redirect to [[:Category:German]]. This works in the sense that if you click on the Deutsch link under the categories at the bottom of the page you will go to Category:German. The problem is that any articles tagged with only Category:Deutsch do not show up under Category:German. After thinking about it, I am now changing [[:Category:Deutsch]] to be a subcategory under [[:Category:German]]. I think that is the better to do things. I'll also do the same thing with [[:Category:Español]]. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 20:47, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
+== Help namespace ==
+There is a "Help:" namespace. Should we start utilizing it? I don't mind moving all the pages in the help category myself. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 14:51, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
+Sean, what pages do you think we already have that would go in to the '''Help:''' namespace, and by saying "we already have it" - you mean because the search is already set up for '''Help:'''?  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
+== is mailedto a wiki ? ==
+I'm not even sure this is supposed to be public -- perhaps it's only a temporary experiment.
+Should we list it anyway?
+http://mailedto.com/wiki2/
+--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:02, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
+: David, I looked at it, and it looks cool, but I am not sure I get it.  Please list it if you want.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
+== private wiki advice needed ==
+I have a friend that wants a private wiki for his business.  I tried to help him set up UseMod and failed.  He knows about and has used PBwiki and is worried about his data if they go under.  Where should he go to feel secure about both his data not being seen and his data not disappearing at some point. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:28, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
+:''Does your friend want a free service or can they pay?'' [[MarkDilley]]
+What he really wants is something at his domain so he doesn't have to pay, but since I can't seem to help him with that, he's looking at other options.  Are there free options you can recommend?  What about for pay? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:18, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
+:''Friend here.  It needs to be secure. Trade secrets, personal info and such.  I'd like to host it for more control if possible. Thanks.
+In order of who I have known longer:
+: [[Socialtext]] - talk to [[SunirShah]]
+: [[Confluence]] [[Atlassian]] - http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ - Mike fron [[RecentChangesCamp]]
+: [[Wetpaint]] - Ray has met these folks.
+Also http://dreamhost.com maybe able to help, they have a one click install of a media wiki. -- [[MarkDilley]]
+:Thanks.  I have no idea what to do once I arrive at these links.
+The last option is something you get if you sign up for a paid hosting plan?
+Howard
+Update: Spent some more time. Socialtext links to a blank page.  Confluence-- $1200 license-- no go. Wetpaint-- can't find the info I need to understand what I need to do, or how much it would cost.
+This is going way beyond the amount of time I can invest in this-- thanks for trying.
+''Howard, can we talk on the phone? I think that would be much better. Best, [[MarkDilley]]''
+== check this wiki ==
+[[Monket Calendar]] - this seems to be one software application within a larger wiki - help me out seeing what's up here? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 18:22, 19 May 2006 (EDT)
+==Questions go where? ==How do I know if my question goes on Community talk or talk: Community talk? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 11:44, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
 * Community talk is the article descibing the page (and maybe decisions?), talk is where the action happens. Me thinks :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
+::I've merged the two pages now, so problem should be solved. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:51, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
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 (G is the [[visual]] programming language used in [[Wikipedia:LabVIEW]]).
 --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 11:11, 24 June 2006 (EDT)
+== can't save edits to [[Wikis_by_response_time]] ==
+It looks like all edits are being blocked by the spam filter because the page contains  the characters '. h t m l' somewhere., edits to THIS page were blocked because it contained the letters 'x x x', I changed them to 'yyy' -- [[User:Versageek|Versageek]] 15:37, 30 July 2006 (EDT)
+:I didn't even know we '''had''' a spam filter. &mdash;[[Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">User:Sean Fennel</span>]][[User talk:Sean Fennel|<span style="font-family: Kristen ITC, Times New Roman;">@</span>]] 17:49, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
+==Question==
+I recently put my wiki up [[Trendpedia]] and today I saw an article on my wiki http://trendpedia.elwiki.com/WikiNode and I am trying to figure out what the article is supposed to be.   Since it was done by an IP and I'm not sure if they'll check back, I'm asking here.  The thing is, it looks like a welcome message.  I am not sure how to develop it.  Is it supposed to be an article about [[WikiNode]] or WikiIndex?  Why does it link to my wiki's recent changes and main page?  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 05:29, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
+: That was me.  Have you had a chance to see anything about the WikiNodes network?  [[WikiNodes]] are pretty cool, and allow you to show anyone the wikis that are "neighbors" of yours.  So that page is just a generic template that I pasted in.  It linked back to your page on WikiIndex so you'd know it was us.  Feel free to change anything on the page, including the links to your RC and mainpage.  Change those to the most important pages on your site and add links to the wikinodes of sites you consider to be your neighbors.  Please let me know if you'd like to talk more about this. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 05:36, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
+:: I still don't quite get it, but I also think all of my wiki is lost.  Please see my comment at [[Talk:ElWiki]].  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 14:10, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
+That´s a drag. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:26, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
+Well it's back up now without explanation.  It's really hard to find a good wiki farm, I find, though.  Editthis.info has a size limit.  Wikia may cause you to lose control of your wiki at any time.  The rest either give you a single page or are not mediawiki.  [[User:ZealPalace|ZealPalace]] 21:29, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
+==Sitemap==
+I can't tell if WikiIndex already has a sitemap, but if not, I have been using this at [[Film-Flam]] with good effect: http://www.thinklemon.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Google_Sitemaps. Worth considering to improve your Google indexing. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 19:17, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
+A sitemap is just a list of pages that are on a website (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitemap). Google Sitemaps (http://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/) is a service that allows you to tell Google where to find your sitemap. Doing so improves Google's ability to index your website, if the sitemap is in the right format. In my case, it has resulted in my site going from not being indexed by Google at all, to actually appearing as a result for certain search terms. The PHP script linked above can be installed by the site administrators to automatically generate a Google-compatible sitemap for a MediaWiki based website. As I understand it, this helps ensure that Google will find and index new pages on your site fairly soon after they are created. I would guess it can also help Google recognize the difference between a temporary connection problem vs. a page on the site that no longer exists. There is also the added benefit that you can use the Google sitemap tools to view statistics about what keywords are generating Google hits for your site. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:24, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
+Hi.  I think the idea sounds good, is it possible for you to start the process, or do we have to have an administrator do it? Cheers, [[MarkDilley]]
+The php script has to be installed by someone with access to the server directory where the wiki resides, so wiki adminship probably isn't enough, I think you have to have ftp access to the server. [[User:Dryguy|Dryguy]] 18:44, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
+Ok, I will let [[John Stanton]] know about it.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
+We had a flatfile Google sitemap up until the last upgrade of mediawiki and apparently it did not survive the upgrade :-) I just implemented the automatic xml version suggested above and it seems to work great!
+We will need to keep an eye on it because 1) it is not qualified for mediawiki 1.6.5 and 2) it takes a bit of time to generate the output (it found 7804 wiki pages on the trial run). You can see the output yourself at [http://wikiindex.com/sitemap.xml.php http://wikiindex.com/sitemap.xml.php] be patient because it takes several seconds to generate the output. [[User:John Stanton|John]] 12:13, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
+: Hi John, You may want to alter the SQL Statement by limiting the number of pages fetched (SELECT TOP 200 ... or the likes). That way only the last X edits will show up. Google will fetch the sitemap every 12 hours or so, therefore it'll only get the latest batch of updated pages. Of course find some values that'll work for this site. I don't know how many edits per day you're having here. Cheers Caspar/[http://www.thinklemon.com/ ThinkLemon]. (Oh and if the MediaWiki database schema did not change from 1.5 to 1.6 it should work fine. Haven't tried it myself though. ;-))
+Hi Casper, I'm going to keep an eye on it to see what the impact is before I change the SQL but thanks for the suggestion. The database schema had a significant change between 1.5 and 1.6 and that's what worried me but I tested it on my personal wiki and it seems to work fine. Thanks!  [[User:John Stanton|John]] 14:57, 28 August 2006 (EDT)
+== search weirdness ==
+When I do a search on "concepts", I see that #11 in the results is the page about the [[CTM Wiki]].
+If I type "ctm" or "CTM" into the search box, then bang on the "Search" or "Add" button,
+I expect to see that page listed somewhere in the results.
+Instead, I see a page that claims
+"No page title matches" and "No page text matches".
+Can we fix this bug?
+--[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 22:07, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
+: It´s a MediaWiki thing.  Their search is awful and hasn´t been worked on for a long time.  I don´t believe we have the expertise among us to handle it.  I´d recommend making a redirect from [[CTM]]. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:00, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
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 It could do with a nice box around it. But next priority is to make one for the multiple sustainability/environment topics. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] 09:45, 30 August 2006 (EDT)
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