User talk:Zhuyifei1999

Hello

Welcome to WikiIndex, and thanks for your recent edits. I am trying to understand the reason for this edit. Was your discovery of this bug as a result of trying to create a new article using the Form:Wiki? Best regards, --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 06:39, 30 March 2013 (PDT)

In Form:Wiki source it says that we can type no to tell the Template:Wiki that there aren't any node in the wiki. But every time I used the form, it didn't accept no. I thought the type string would accept it, so I made the edit. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2013 (PDT)

Spam fighting / user name space

Hi - thanks for flagging up all them spam edits. If you see another flood like this, and don't see any sysops deleting it, message any of us which are online to deal with it.

And would you like to add something about yourself in your own name space - such as languages you speak or your timezone? Best regards, and thanks again :) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 08:14, 12 April 2013 (PDT)

You're welcome.--Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 08:36, 12 April 2013 (PDT)

Thank you for flagging spam. As someone who despises spam, your help is greatly appreciated. Arcane (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2013 (PDT)Arcane

Redirects

Hi again. Can you please refrain from creating hard redirects to non-WikiIndex articles? That means no redirects to other sites such as Wikimedia, Uncyclomedia or Wikia wikis, etc. Redirects should only be used for existing articles or categories here on WikiIndex. If there is a real need to link to offsite wikis, we specifically use the InterWiki table. Best regards, Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 04:30, 14 April 2013 (PDT)

OK, I'll find where they are requested by, and fix them. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 04:53, 14 April 2013 (PDT)

Fixed. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 04:57, 14 April 2013 (PDT)

Logos

Hi - great work with your logo hunting. Can I please ask that you don't change an internal wikilink to an external url hotlink if the logos are identical - as you did with this edit here. Also, feel free to upload any new or updated logos if you are able to (I often hotlink when there is no existing logo because I'm too lazy sometimmes to upload! - but we really ought to upload every logo).

I'm also impressed with your overall knowledge of MediaWiki ... what other wikis are you involved with? Best regards, and keep up your great work :-))) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 10:43, 24 April 2013 (PDT)

First, the logos aren't identical (File:Wikipedia.png is dimmer and the Chinese character is 祖 not 维). See wp:History of Wikipedia#Evolution of logo. Second, I'm also involved in LifeWiki (active about a month ago), Powder Toy Wiki (maybe no edit), WikiApiary (joined recently), MediaWiki.org (some edits) and some other Wikimedia Foundation wikis including Wikipedia (few edits). Also, I'm sometimes not able to upload because I'm using an iPad. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 03:03, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

Thanks for the link on the evolution of the Wikipedia logo. I now understand why you've been changing them. Maybe we can still keep the old logo by floating a thumbnail on the left side of the article - as per this template edit. Best Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 13:02, 1 May 2013 (PDT)

Appreciate your effort here!

Many thanks! Do you have a first name to go by, i.e. Hoof Hearted is Sean? I am a big advocate of Real Names but not forcing them, just asking :-) Best, MarkDilley

OK. --YiFei | talk 00:18, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Me with a booming smile :-D ~~ MarkDilley

Template:WikiStatus

Are you able to add some Chinese translation to the new Archive section of the Template:WikiStatus please? :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 11:54, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

OK. --YiFei | talk 17:51, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Subst vs transcluded templates

Hi YiFei, couple of points. 1) we are no where any size that Wikipedia is and so from a technological and spam point of view, I don't think it is an issue there. 2) My main point is to have the wiki look as clean as it can, and yes, that is especially at an editing the page level. I think that date stamps and all the other colors, formatting in signatures is problematic - to me it is noise and adds no value to the wiki. Yes you are talking to a pre-Wikipedia person :-) So, I was playing with the idea of moving all the "stuff" into signatures to clean up the wiki. Best, MarkDilley

Hi. What if the templates like Template:HoofHearted is spammed? Is there any way to protect is so that only Sean could edit it? --YiFei | talk 18:00, 4 May 2013 (PDT)

It could be protected just for sysops - consider this course of action. Doing the easiest next step. In this case, seeing if it becomes a spam target. My guess is that we won't have to worry about it. Also, I don't think the timestamp can be transcluded, which is a problem for some folks. I am ok with no action or shared action on this. :-) Best, MarkDilley

It can be substituted, but not transcluded. See Template:YiFei --YiFei | talk 05:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are both trying to re-invent the wheel? The default MediaWiki signature generator is the most secure method of generating a signature - and it is how all other MediaWiki installations do it. And I'm also not sure why there is seemingly apparent denial of the very real spam problem from Mark! Finally, I really don't get why Mark is trying to 'clean up the wiki' - signatures with timestamps is the way MediaWiki works - and that is exactly how the millions of existing MediaWiki users will be familiar with. Mark, if you really don't like how MediaWiki works, then maybe it is time to either shut down WikiIndex, or move it back to a more prehistoric wiki engine. A lot of effort is being wasted here .... maybe time for me to check-out - just like the many other valuable past contributors to this site! ://// Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, as you say Sean, merely exploring how to make a cleaner wiki. Which is what I have been doing here since 2006 and you since 2011. I do not understand your frustration here, I have not been heavy handed about anything. I am not denying a spam problem here either. I uses the signature generator - and when I have had fancy signatures I have used {{MarkDilley}}. You are right Sean, I don't like how MediaWiki works - one time I was having lunch with Brion Vibber, a main MediaWiki developer, and we were complaining how MediaWiki was a good wiki for the encyclopedia but very bloated for pretty much every other wiki instance. I do understand that many public wiki use MediaWiki and that WikiIndex has since its inception - but the software doesn't have to override community ideals. Again, I really don't understand your frustrations Sean, is it not ok to talk about things? People check out of wiki when they want, and check back in when they want - it is the nature of wiki - I would also say that Ray King owns the domain, the idea was mine, and John Stanton implemented. I am not a Meatball:GodKing - the community has always run this wiki. Why do you say a lot of effort is wasted here? ~~ MarkDilley

Oh, YiFei, sorry for spamming your talk page :((( Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 03:42, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

Never mind. I like them because I can make my timestamps in UTC. --YiFei | talk 10:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I understand that, and appreciate you want UTC timestamps. But Mark should fix the MediaWiki software (or get someone else to fix it) - so that the default timestamp is UTC, and also so that individuals can actually alter it to their own personal timezone via their own preference settings. Its a great template, but it would be a hassle for every single user to use it, when the MW software should automatically do it for us. Best :)) Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 05:33, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

I think Ray King actually own this wiki. See who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=wikiindex.org&isc=ALEXADOM --YiFei | talk 12:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know Ray (aka User:Rathbone) owns the domain name, but I think that Ray has handed over day-to-day control and running of the wiki to MarkDilley. I don't know if Mark has access to the server though! :// Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 07:57, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

If Mark have to change the settings, he must change http://wikiindex.org/LocalSettings.php, which needs access to the server. By the way, why are there two Ray Kings -- User:Ray King and User:Rathbone? --YiFei | talk 15:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Mark is not a backend person. We need to put these things on the Upgrades page. ~~ MarkDilley

User:Emufarmers

The page was deleted and protected because it had been the target of a spammer/vandal. Spamming contained religious commentary which was removed. TeraS (talk) 03:47, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

I'm just researching why he can be an sysop, how User:Emufarmers2 exist without creating an account, just things like this. --YiFei | talk 10:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not a programmer (so I don't know the specific detail), but I think I've heard that anyone who has access to a certain MediaWiki file (maybe 'settings.php') on the host server can somehow gain 'backdoor' access to a wiki, and grant themselves sysop and crat rights, without actually having an account on said wiki. I've blocked Emufarmers2 - but I still think we have vulnerabilities with our software setup. Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 05:38, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

It's not possible. See http://wikiindex.org/LocalSettings.php --YiFei | talk 12:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I've found that he's a developer of MediaWiki, but I didn't find any bad code changes. --YiFei | talk 14:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

[1] Emufarmers (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

bot

should we make the bot, a bot in RecentChanges? or wait for it to work for a little? Love it! Best, MarkDilley

YiFei - can you set yor bot to run a few sample tasks before we grant it official bot rights please? --Sean, aka Hoof Hearted • _Admin • talk2HH 15:56, 11 May 2013 (PDT)

OK. I'm still testing. There's a lot of bug in it. --YiFei | talk 05:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

did you get my email?

I sent it through WikiIndex mail ~~ MarkDilley

Yes, and I have replied. --YiFei | talk 10:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk page policy

I noticed you've moved my replies in the past, and while I mostly thought it strange, I'm afraid I must ask you to please not do so in the future for a few reasons:

• This is not Wikipedia. The link you provided is helpful, but those rules are not necessarily applicable everywhere.
• The method of reply used is not improper to my knowledge, as posting replies on the original talk page only sends one user new message updates, especially if they have email updates enabled.
• I have sent messages like the ones you have complained about in the past to other users without problems before.
• The messages I was sending to another user (who in this case happens to be a fellow admin on another wiki) were to discuss how to communicate with each other more efficiently since the web host our wiki was on was making direct communication there difficult, and both of us getting replies to each other was vital.
• The methods we used to communicate did not violate any rules here, and we communicated in a similar manner to each other on the wiki we were discussing without a problem.

In short, please do not remove replies from my talk pages or others in the name of your interpretation of how they should be used from now on, at least not without consulting Mark Dilley first. Arcane (talk) 08:03, 12 June 2013 (PDT)Arcane

Admin Things

About your request to be one of the Sysops, that I have to place in the hands of Mark as this is something that I don't feel I have the right to do without his permission. I would suggest contacting him off Wiki and talking to him about this. TeraS (talk) 13:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok. But I'm not sure he'll reply right now. I've already sent him some e-mails, including this request today. But the last one, about a typo in Template:Vandal and protecting Category talk:Wiki Topic, he hasn't replied to me yet, and neither fixed them --YiFei | talk 13:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll protect the talk page now, where is the typo? TeraS (talk) 14:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

It's actually a difference between British English and American English accroding to Wiktionary, but the word vandalising is being treated as a typo on my iPad. I'm not sure it's necessary to change it. (But prefer) --YiFei | talk 14:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I had an insane work week last week AND I found that all my WikiIndex alert messages were in my spam folder. Sorry! ~~ MarkDilley

It is a wiki and people do what they can

Hi YiFei, see your edit summaries and think you are frustrated - I hope not. Look forward to the abuse filter bot - looks very helpful! Best, MarkDilley

Oh. Sorry. I just find that I have to notify every sysop if I'm not. First, Sean, then, you, then Arcane. Just getting tired of that. --YiFei | talk 14:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I think people will make mistakes on the wiki - that is kinda why I think it works. Wiki:WikiPeace, MarkDilley

BTW, it's not actually a bot. It's a kind of reserved user, just like User:MediaWiki default. --YiFei | talk 15:11, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks cool, I see its log and I don't see those in RecentChanges - hopeful that it is really, really effective! :-) MarkDilley

It only shows when a block happened. Filter 4 does that, but filter 9 is also a common type of link spam. I'm thinking of adding it as a blocking filter too. --YiFei | talk 23:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, accounts like User:ABIDEEN0 would tigger filter 7 and 8. --YiFei | talk 23:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Where is the guide / documentation on what these filters do and how they do it, I think it is facsinating. If there is not any, I would like to help create some. Best, MarkDilley

See Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Seems like account spam is increasing. --YiFei | talk 02:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

On blocking no edit users

Myself and the rest of the administration have been blocking no edit users like the example you brought up because, typically, most of those accounts have either matched patterns of spammers as seen on other wikis (some of whom have used these accounts as sleepers), and because most vandals and spambots make throwaway accounts with nonsense strings of information and typically tend to make many accounts in a short amount of time, either as part of their programming or as sleeper sockpuppets.

You can review the block log to see what I mean.

Also, most users who sign onto WikiIndex who turn out to be legitimate usually make new wiki pages, create user pages, or edits that are obviously not vandal edits almost immediately after joining, barring the occasional vandal revisionist (rewriting a page to suit their beliefs without being an obvious vandal) or religious spammer (we've had a few who deface pages on wikis they feel insult their beliefs with their own hateful interpretation of the content).

If you feel this policy should be changed, I suggest expressing your concerns to MarkDilley. Me personally, I have noticed how effective the Abuse filter has been, so you make a very good point for your opposition to the current policy, but by the same token, spammers and vandals can always switch tactics to get around it, and given the huge amounts of spam and vandalism we've had to fight, we tend to err on the side of caution.

Regardless, thanks for letting me know how you feel about banning no edit users.

Arcane (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)Arcane

new for me

Hi YiFei, this edit has me baffled and a little excited as I have never seen it before, can you explain it to me. Thanks! ~~ MarkDilley

I restored the page, so now the revision exists. Special:Permalink is just a shortcut to all existing (not deleted) revisions. So I made it like that. (Learnt from Commons:User:Leyo) --YiFei | talk 05:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Arabic interface

Thanx for Arabic interface. It is a pleasure contribute with it.Regards.Brahfous (talk) 13:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)