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== Notification on users talk page only ==
{{MarkDilleyTalkPageArchive}}{{TOC right}}
==Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity==
I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the [[WikiIndex talk:Blocking and banning policy#draft blocking policy proposal]], making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.


People's "talk" pages alert them to messages. Their user pages don't. Best wishes! [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 00:46, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter.  Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)


Thank you for the tip Robin! - Need to write something up about that function. [[TalkPagesForWikiPeople]] - best, mark
== The value of discussion ==
Discussion is also work, unless not completed and hanging in the air for years. Even then it is work, only without result. Naturally it is easier to do little edits here and there and consider that as work with results rather than coming to a conclusion in a debate since the later requires more staying power.  


== Testing Notification for Message on Talk Page ==
I do not mind if anybody improves my statements on a talk page like better link format. But whatever I write there should not be changed in the wording and left with my signature. That would be forgery, that is not me any more. My statements are not articles to be edited. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


Does it work? did you get the notification? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:35, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
When I count amongst my last 100 edits only 20% is discussion, the rest, 80% is "work" ;-) How is Your work-count? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


When I first signed up for wikipedia, I was TedErnst, but then somehow couldn't get signed in again using that name so became Tedernst and started editing without realizing what was upNow I'm attached to it. Then, since this is also mediawiki, I stuck with the strange name. I'll fix it out. Thanks!
: I really am not getting into an argument about discussion and work:-) ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:: You are not getting into it, You where the one who started it in the first place. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::: Manorainjan, maybe it's a second language thing, but the tone of your words seems hostile. Might I suggest you take a rest from this subject? --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::: I do not think it's about tone. But if You think, You can explain it. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


And you can welcome Tristan by editing the talk page (not the user page directly), which is considered fine etiquete at mediawikis, as far as I know. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:49, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
::: I apologize, I didn't mean to say that discussion was not work, when in fact it is sometimes the hardest work. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


::: Sometimes? ;-) For every work there is a competence to aquire that makes it easier if not possible at all. [http://www.pmsa.de/NonviolentCommunication/ NVC] and sorry for late reply, I was busy with "work" ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
* 了解!--[[User:Msnhinet8|Msnhinet8]] ([[User talk:Msnhinet8|talk]]) 23:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


: Mark, I'm okay with whatever is going to happen here and don't need it to look any way, so please know that I love you very much and all my suggestions are just that, suggestions. I'm here to help. :-)
===How community works===
* [[Meatball:WhyWikiWorks]] is what I was so poorly trying to get to. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


: That said, Mediawiki has some really cool features that I think will be useful to use. Notice how [[MarkDilley]] and [[User: MarkDilley]] are two different pages?  One is an article and the other is a user.  I believe it'll be cleaner to not have any people in the article namespace, the space that you want to be full of wikis. When you make a comment that you'd like signed, you don't have to link to anything, you can just type 4 tildes, and it'll expand out with the datestamp and a link to your user page. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
<blockquote> "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." is one of seven quotes inscribed on the walls at the gravesite of John F. Kennedy at Arlington National Cemetery. </blockquote>


* Ted I do not know how to redirect my page [[MarkDilley]] to user:MarkDilley, please do that if you can. I want the simplicity of wiking my name.
In that spirit it does not bring forward community feeling by howling that one is not part of it but by active participation and invitation for others to participate. Now, on the one hand You are acting [http://languageofcompassion.com/resources/take-a-look-at-kellys-book/#sample%20chapters 'nice'] by welcoming new users and telling <b>them</b> to [[BeBold]]. But on several occasions where I acted semi-bold and discussed a change with a 'senior' user You where howling [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Hoof_Hearted&diff=179561&oldid=179539#Template:Inactive 'I am not involved in the conversation']. So, what I did was [http://wikiindex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Template:Inactive to shift this topic in front] and invited the community to discuss it there. Now the question arises why didn't You do that in the first place, being more senior and obviously feeling the need for participation showing me HowTo CommunityCate? Now, I went further and [http://wikiindex.org/User_talk:Msnhinet8 informed other Users who obviously did not take note of this discussion]. Rather than supporting the unfinished discussion You started to discourage my efforts by belittling the value of discussion calling then 'endless' which is an euphemism for useless and without result and contradicting discussion with 'work' as a symbol for productivity. Also You potentially started a separation of 'me' and what I do (endless discussion) and what You call 'we' and what actually You personally allegedly are doing. this is neither 'wok' AKA little edits here and there nor promoting community AKA discussion for finding solutions with which everybody can live nicely.


: Oh, and I just remembered, media wiki also has a talk page connected with every other page, in every namespace. So if I want to leave a comment for you, I don't leave it on your user page, but on your talk page: [[User talk: MarkDilley]] and you'll get a notification (I'm pretty sure) that you have a new message. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:34, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
What You got to do now is, to find Your inner motivation what drove You to disturb constructive discussions and then redirect this motivation into a more productive strategy that supports the progress of a community. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 13:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


:An admin can do it. First, an admin has to delete the page "User:MarkDilley" because it was nothing but a redirect. Then any registered user can move "MarkDilley" page to "User:MarkDilley". [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]] 17:48, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
== Ohai Mark ==
Sincerely, Johnny. [[User:Sweetie Belle|Sweetie Belle]] ([[User talk:Sweetie Belle|talk]]) 23:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


So Tristam, I just [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] and it goes to my user name or my article name?
== Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki? ==
Discussion [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Alternative Infoboxes|here]]. --[[User:MarvelZuvembie|MarvelZuvembie]] ([[User talk:MarvelZuvembie|talk]]) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


:: On wikipedia it's really important to preserve edit histories because of the GPL licence. We don't have that issue here with the CC license, correct?  So a cut and paste move isn't a problem here the way it is there? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
== Improving the community ==
[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#Discussion with results AKA work .3B-.29|Discussion with results AKA work ;-)]] Any suggestions? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


:::The purpose of moving pages with the move function is to keep the edit history for attributing the page authors. The licence of WikiIndex also requires to attribute the author properly, so the move function is still important. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]
== [[WikiIndex talk:Community talk#Request account - real name]] ==
Do You know the answer?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== Link to yourself automatically using tildas ==
Regarding Your 'envisioning' the Community portal to be of any use for community or discussion, how shall this question [[WikiIndex talk:Opt out]] be treated, how would the community be 'notified' about it? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


Just sign your contributions with 4 tildes <nowiki>"~~~~"</nowiki> and you won't need to remember how to link to yourself. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:13, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
== eMail ==
What happened to the fixing of email functionality for this Wiki?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


: Yea, I just don't like the time date stamp, so I don't do thatIt is not in my wiki nature :-)
: Upgrading to a clean install of the latest stable version was hoped to have resolved that issue.  It hasn't.  That is the place where we are at now. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


::If you don't like the time stamp, you can use three tildes instead. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]
You told me, that some user account do not have this problems. From there I concluded, that it is not a software problem. the Problem sits in the net. It got to do with mail servers and blacklists.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


Okay, well, we're going to have to decide the namespace issue.  I just noticed that John Stanton has his page in the article space as well.  Where can we have that conversation? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 17:22, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
PS: When this update was done?


It is cleaner to have the name of [[Wiki People]] have article pages. Thanks for the tild example Tristram! [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
: Last year was the latest [[upgrade]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


: Mark, you're sounding very dogmatic.  Things should be this way because they should be this way.  I'm not so sure things are so cut and dried automatically better one way over the other.  And if you're not interested in using the features of media wiki, perhaps another engine would be a better choice?  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 00:59, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
{{done}} see [[WikiIndex:Community_portal]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


Actualy Ted, it sounds to me as you are the one being dogmatic.  We must do this because that is what the wiki software is capable of.  I think that individual choice works for me here.  I am not forcing anyone else to do it any other way. :-) Hugs back - [[MarkDilley]]
== Too late ==
https://WikiIndex.org/User_talk:W812949
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


: I like the namespaces because of what they give you.  They are unique in my experience to media wiki.  I like them not because they exist here, but because they are useful.  You seem to not like them only because you haven't used them.  Or maybe there's some other reason? I don't know because your answers feel so absolutist to me.  I'm not trying to run your project.  I'm here to help.  Believe me, I'll do my best to help this project succeed, however you set it up.  I'm just hoping to do it in the way that makes the most sense for those doing most of the work.  That might not be me and thus I shouldn't have all that much say.  It's just that you might not have experienced some of the features you're poo pooing.  No worries.  I'll get down to work presently. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 01:12, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
== Wikipediaphobie? ==
Wikipedia has no page about us: {{Wp|List of wikis}}


I don't think I am poo pooing any ideas. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
And then the ivory tower inhabitants wonder why this Wiki does not grow a stronger user base within the said 8+ years...
Who is the PR secretary of this one-horse town? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


== Category Sorting ==
== [[User:Robin Patterson]] ==
Do You know what role Robin Patterson played in the founding phase of WikiIndex? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


<nowiki>[[Category:Wiki People|Tristram Shandy]]</nowiki>
Robin helped with [[SwitchWiki]] and jumped over to [[WikiIndex]] for a bit. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


The purpose of this code is not to show up and differently on Tristram's page, it's to sort the name properly on the category page.  Otherwise, we'd all end up in the U section, if we're using namespaces.  If we're not using namespaces, then we could use that code to sort by last name, if we wanted to.
:Sounds like a founding member to me, if he was already engaged on the preceding project. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


<nowiki>[[Category:Wiki People|Dilley, Mark]]</nowiki>
== [[Proposal:WikiIndex Pages on indexed Wikis|Great discussion :-)]] ==
... You said 2007 ...


Was there any result? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


{{tag|learning how to collaborate with people}}  {{tag|Wiki is hard}}
==Project Namespace==
Can You give a definition of 'Project:' namespace?
:They are typically the name of the wiki, also called meta pages. [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


== Categories at the top? ==
== fb ==
Do You ever read your facebook mails? M.


Why? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
== new WikiIndex logo ==
[[:File:WikiIndexLogo2014.png]]


: It is a standard that ICANN wiki used, that we all liked, and the added bonus is that the categories sort before the template categories, giving the first ones more relevance with a folksonomy.
I have no idea what could be offending in a sunflower.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


Okay, Hopefully I won't hate it too much. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
: Really?  As Sean suggests, a sunflower with the brackets around it is copyrighted. Makes sense to me. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:: and looks like it is in the public domain, thanks [[YiFei]].


:You wrote: "also, the standard we are trying to set is categories at the top of the page." They recommend the opposite in Wikipedia because the newbies may get confused when they see odd-looking category descriptions instead of normal text, when they start to edit a page. There used to be problems with search engines, they showed categories before the normal text in their page summaries. However, I don't know if the search engine problem is occuring any more. [[User:Tristram Shandy|Tristram Shandy]]
== blocked from doing work ==
I think the biggest thing for you to do Manorainjan, is to slow down here. Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Personally, I think that is not a problem with this wiki for three reasons:
:What would be the advantage of being slow? the one who does mistakes should be more careful. Maybe he should 'slow' down, take a vacation. I'm fine. My mind is concentrated. I'm in good mood. What is wrong with that? M.
* The wiki is for other wikis, so one assumes that other contributors are not newbies.
::I think they basically mean, spend more time in the D part of the [[BRD cycle]], and work to get consensus on your side. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 20:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
* If we do get a newbie checking out the inside, the data is structured and I think they would be able to figure it out quickly.
* I think categorys in wiki are pretty valuable and exciting things to start to be able to understand, so it is kinda cool to have them smack dab in the front.  My 2 cents. :-)  [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]


::: Why do you want the extra added categories to be listed before the ones in teh box? Shouldn't the ones in the box be the most important? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 00:58, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
I'm the last one to avoid any discussion ;-) But Sean has blocked every possible aspect of my account regarding communication, even internal mail which is needed for this part:
<nowiki>
User is blocked
  Jump to: navigation, search


The categories at the bottom are already redundant once, some may say twice because of the sidebar links. So adding the Folksonomy Categories in the front helps the richness of the site.  I like that they are redundant at the bottom, but I think they are less valuable because they are the highlighted ones in the templete.  Also, while this is a [[MediaWiki]], it is not [[Wikipedia]].  Best, [[MarkDilley]] :-)
Your username or IP address has been blocked.  


: I don't understand anything of what you're saying here. Redundant once how?  Redundant twice how?  What's a Folksonomy Category?  How do the sidebar links come into play?  And does the wikipedia comment come from my other comment?  Of course it's not wikipediaThat's why I wonder why we're using wikimedia engine if it's clear that its features are not what you're looking for in building this project. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 01:09, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
The block was made by Hoof Hearted. The reason given is no reason given.  
  Start of block: 14:17, 19 September 2014
Expiry of block: 14:17, 26 September 2014
Intended blockee: Manorainjan


Look at the categories in the template box, now look at the categories at the bottom of the page, they are the same.  A folksonomy is when people come along and say, hey this is a category art wiki, so they add it into the non structured data area of the wiki page. Test for yourself, add the non structured category data at the top, save, see what is looks like, now move it to the bottom and see how it changes to the back. I think those categorys are good to be redundant from the template in the page, but not really necessary to be in the front.
You can contact Hoof Hearted or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 178.11.160.142, and the block ID is #19490. Please include all above details in any queries you make.
</nowiki>
M.


== table of contents ==
The reason Sean gave was ''copyright violations, repeated disruption to WikiIndex, refusing to following community-agreed standards'' in the first block.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Any time there are 3 or more (I think) headings on a page, the TOC pops up just before the first of them. Often there is introductory text before the first heading, so that ends up before the TOC. You can force NOTOC somehow, and you can also force TOCright, where the text will then wrap around. We'll have to figure those out.  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 01:01, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
::None of those accusations have substance. He totally failed to supply any proof of his biased claims. He did not even try. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== testing talk message ==
:The log summary helps make people realize there was more misbehavior after the unblock; otherwise, the reblock makes it look like there was a wheel war. [[Special:Logs/block]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


very cool :-)
There was and is no wheel war.
# Sean blocked my account
# Mark expressed that he did not agree with that.
# Sean ignored that
# YiFei, being more practical than talkative unblocked my account, expressing his opinion by this.
# Sean disrespected both and blocked my account again.
# Mark repeated his difference in opinion
# Sean kept his stubborn attitude and silence.
That's it. Now the thing hangs in the middle kind of. Sean puts his nose deep in 'work' trying his very, very best to ignore my IP edits or anybody's comments on this 'case' and passes his chances to 'range block' the IPs I'm using. And none of the sysops like to stir anybody up further. So, Your expectation of a wheel war will go unfulfilled. I'm not sorry about this.[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:How was that not a wheel war? Are you saying that the battle was only [https://www.quora.com/Hypothetical-Battles hypothetical] and not real? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 23:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


== category thing ==
You seam to have serious difficulties to understand the motivations of people. First of all there was no intention of waging a war from any side, especially not amongst the sysops. Everybody expressed their opinion in their specific way, once. Only mark did the same thing twice. But he did no reverts, blocks or unblocks at all. So, nothing to see here, keep moving! [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
:If there were a fight, who do you think would win? What odds would you place on the various combatants? Also, are you willing to provoke enough fights (n >= 30) that we will have a statistically significant sample with which to judge the accuracy of your predictions? Also, how much money can we bring into the WikiIndex coffers by taking the wiki private and charging the public for admission to see the fight? [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


John thinks it gets lost on the bottom, so he likes to see it there also. So I only say that if you're going to put extra categories in the "body" area, then put both commands in the same place so people can see what's been done and copy that if they like it that way.
If there would be a fight, nobody would win, everybody would lose and everybody except You knows that.  
And You don't have the power to start a war Birdy. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


:Ok, I think that is fine, I think as a standard, people will get used to it being next to the category tag at the bottom. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
:That's only true if the last man standing is mortally wounded before he finishes everyone else off. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


== Work in Progress ==
Hey Birdy, if You can't sleep, do something useful: [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Table of results|Table of results]] M.


what exactly is the 'check name' field for? --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 23:11, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
== [[User:Manorainjan]] ==
Mark, there are numerous reasons why the above user should be blocked, some of them extremely serious, and I must insist that the block should stand.  I will detail my reasons on Monday, when I have more time and less interuptions.  I would appreciate that you support your fellow sysops, rather than constantly over-rulling them.  Respectfully yours, [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 21:00, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


Is the name of the wiki page the same as the name of the wiki, I have found several that aren't
== [[Special:RequestAccount]] ==
We got to change this page in order to supply necessary information right there.


== altorgwiki ==
* I would also like to include in [[WikiIndex:Real names]] that using a RN is appreciated but optional.
* What about that field in request form? Is it optional or compulsory?
* The form does not explicitly tell which field needs to be filled!! There is lack of clarity. That does not support the generation of trust. I cannot continue to write help text if I do not know the conditions of account creation.
* I also suggest to trim this page quite a lot. For example "Other information" should be omitted.
*This page is the very entry point for wiki community. This and the following procedures are absolutely vital for it's growth.
* I also may be lacking some technical terms here. Request, creation, validation, 'approval'?
* The page treats email verification and account approval as the same thing with the same word.
* The main page navigation speaks of Request and the Help page of create account. There should not be a difference.
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


mostly bad porn, but worse it's riddled with spam links and the like. i didn't think it added any value and thougth it might offend some. feel free to put it back in if you think otherwise.  
== [[Talk:Assume good faith]] ==
Check my recent rant about Your favourite dogma ;-) And [[User talk:Babooshka|how]] I got there. (He/she/it/them was online today) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


: yea i found it, altorgphpwiki. spam porn links... should we remove others that are porn spam links?
== Template:Grey4Column ==
* [[:Template:Wp]] Delete? Categorize? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])


== redirects for alternate names ==
== [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News]] ==
I thought this is newest news on top? --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 16:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


Mark,
==[[WikiIndex:Teamwork information]]==
This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.


When someone comes here, they don't know if their intended wiki is already here.  So they type the name in the box and if they don't have it exactly the same, it'll say "not found, would you like to start it?"  For this reason, I believe we should not delete any redirects from alternative names, because these increase the liklihood that a person will find the wiki they're looking for and therefore not create a new page for it when one already exists.  So save yourself some work and stop deleting redirects! :-)  Just an opinion, not a decree.
I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.
 
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:#ff9900; color:#300080"
hugs,
! Online Accessibility !! E-mail !! Commitment !! Exeptions !! UTC !! Skills !! Duty !! Rank !! Propensities
[[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
 
I think that people will type in their wiki name exactly as it is, if it is not there, then they should add it.  I am not so sure that alternate names are important.  By the way, I added most of these wiki to [[SwitchWiki]] and I think I added the wiki to many of them.  So I am comfortable deleting the wrong name. :-)  [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
Will they type Meatball or MeatBall or MeatBallWiki or meetballwiki?  I just don't see the benefit of deleting a harmless redirect.  It's more work for you to delete, and possibly more work later when someone creates an article that alrready exists.  This may be just a huge big in mediawiki that won't let you find a page without having the name exactly right, but it causes amazing problems at wikipedia.  I've done it myself, created articles that already existed.  The redirects left over once all this is fixed each time means the next person to make the same mistake won't make the same mistake! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
 
The problem I see is that this solution, not eliminating redirects, causes redundancy in the alphabetical listing. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
Now you've lost me.  The redirects shouldn't have any category information and thus shouldn't show up in any lists.  That sounds like a bug to me if you are seeing duplicates.  Have you asked John about it?  Crap.  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
 
Nope I haven't ask John yet, you are just now bringing up the issue! ;-)  I don't think it is a bug because it is base on article pagename, not categories... but alphabetical stuff... unless it is something that needs to populate the page database and in a few hours won't be a problem. I will check a few later to see. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
Okay, I'll leave it alone.  Perhaps I'm wrong with my assertion "People will re-create pages that will then need to be deleted, over and over again."  In fact, I must be wrong.  Traffic here will not be that high, and will be primarily, if not exclusively wiki people.  I'm overthinking and planning for the newbie.  So just ignore me.  I'm going to bed!  :-) [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]
 
Also Ted,  If people create them in the future, then maybe we should do a redirect.  But for the launch of this wiki, I want as few redirects as possible.  I have however kept a couple that I think are close, similarly to the Meatball scenario you layed out.  It is wiki! :-)  Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
==WikiSym==
I think it would be good to get together at rcc to talk about this project and figure out what we want to say about it at rcc and at [[WikiSym]]
* re:  [http://ws2006.wikisym.org/space/start/2006-01-20/1#WikiSym_2006_Call_for_Participation WikiSym:Call for participation]
 
 
==Wikified Link==
Until we can get a [[LocalName]] system here, I think we should standardize external links to other wikis.  exp:  '''MeatballWiki:MarkDilley'''
* isn't there a system of connecting that we could do fairly easily within wiki... I will check [[MeatballWiki]] [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
== edit link in box ==
 
I figured out a different way to do it.  [[User talk:TedErnst/articlewithtemplatetest]] uses [[User:TedErnst/templatetest]] as it's template.  I'm pretty happy with it now.  Does it suck?  You threw me for a loop there by commenting in the template.  I couldn't figure out how you commented on the page without it showing up in the history, but it was just included from the template.  Pretty sneaky!  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:39, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
: Yes, my intention was to sneakily weird you out! :-) [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]] let me go figure out what you are up to.  Are you doing this now?  Maybe we can hang and skype while we work? [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
== a question about the faq ==
 
[[WikiIndex:FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] - what it the purpose of the questions being links? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:55, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
I see it as a way to build a useful faq.  I am imagining someone typing a question in the search box, and hopefully getting a direct hit to their question. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
== duplicated ==
 
Ha, this is funny!  [[:Category:FAQ]] - there's a duplicate there!  - my bad - not sure how to fix it - it's your question mark bug
 
==SwitchWiki==
I think I want switchwiki.com to point here. Then I want SwitchWiki in red and black, instead of IndexWiki.  I think we should capitalize on the name recognition that SwitchWiki has.
 
==Special:Emailuser==
Hi Mark. [[Special:Emailuser]] is missing from this wiki. You might find it useful to enable it since this is the sort of wiki a lot of people might edit and then not check back for messages for a long time, so emailing them could be the only way of contacting them. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 05:43, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
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Mark, I think this functionality is only available in MediaWiki version 1.5.x this wiki is still at version 1.4.5. I have not yet upgraded to version 1.5.x because there are issues with servers that run multi wikis (we have about 40 wikis that run on the same server) the issues may just be my own lack of knowledge but I have not yet been able to install a version 1.5.x MediaWiki and have it play well with the other wikis :-). When I can set aside enough time to really explore and solve the issues I'll start the conversion process for all 40 wikis.
 
==InterMapTxt==
This is what is on [[MeatballWiki]] and other wikis so they can have [[LocalNames]] for easy linking between wiki.
 
==Meta:Editing==
* MediaWiki editing info: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing
==about tags==
I totally get what you're saying about the heading that ends the document (folks/tags/categories).  This is different from what John implimented in the template to copy for a new wiki.  I improved (I thought) his idea by making the template.  He had it set up to show up on the page, and thus be redundant, like you've said.  I recall asking about this and got an answer I thought made sense, so I improved his idea by cutting down on syntax.  Now I totally get what you're saying AND I think we definitely need to document your idea and make sure John and Ray are on board because your idea hasn't been done before, as far as I know.  If this conversation has already happened, please point me that way?  Thanks! [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 21:26, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
: All I'm saying this this is a decision that's not been made yet.  I found your FAQ page about tags and I commented on it's talk page.  Need to get agreement among you, John and Ray about how this is going to work.  '''Then''' we document the decision made and clean up after ourselves.  I can help with that part. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 21:34, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
Sure, I can be part of the agreement.  I left myself out because your idea excites me and rubs me the wrong way, probably just because it's unfamiliar to me.  And since you and John both made steps on this topic in the last few days, I thought maybe it was better for me to let the two of you work out the solution.
 
One potential problem to consider, at least on talk pages, is the mediawiki feature of the plus sign at the top of the page.  This allows someone to add a comment in a new section at the bottom of the page automatically without having to edit the whole page.  This new section will be below your footer, unless you get John to hard-code the footer.  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:00, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
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Bravo!  I think the tag template is a brilliant way to allow people to add a new category to an article easily and have it display on both the article and the category area on the bottom.  Mark pointed out to me last night that it might be even better for the template not to automatically bullet the text because that way we could also embed the tag into a paragraph.  That makes sense to me because then we could use it that way, or bullet it if we wanted to with an asterisk as usual. I think this also solves the problem of having to make a large heading (folksonomy, tagging, caregories) and have it appear near the bottom of the page.  --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 12:12, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
: Ray, when I first made the tag template, it did not have a bullet.  John then changed it to include the bullet because he said it was messing up the formatting otherwise.  Perhaps we need two templates?  tagb and tag, one having the bullet and the other not? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST) Yes, good solution --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
Also, I'm not quite getting what Mark wants from the folks/tag/cat footer.  There's already a footer with the categories right below this, labeled "categories."  Could that text just be chagned to include folks and tag and be bold?  Would that make everyone happy?  Then we could use either categories or the tag template (without the bullet) in the body and everything would show up neat and clean? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 12:17, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
: I think we're close to being on the same page, when Mark put in the "folks/tag/cat" heading we didn't have the benefit of the tag you created.  So as far as i'm concerned, if we have the tag and tagb commands, we don't even need any extra headers/footers. --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 15:35, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
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[[ExpericencedInteractionWithInexperience]]
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==Folksonomy/Tags/Categories==
 
== nvc communication ==
 
[[Yes, and]] instead of [[No, but]] or [[Yes, but]] to help communicate ideas of growing and buidling collectively and collaboratevely
 
== Back channel communication rather than wiki for real time ==
 
* I am going to be on irc.freenode.net  #wikiindex
 
* I also am available for IM and possibly voice chat on skype - "MarkDilley" - Best, Mark
 
* '''Raymond King'''
** Skype - Rathbone
** and I will get on IRC as much as possible
 
== my new signature ==
 
I figured out a way to have my signature not point to my user page '''and''' to have it point directly to my talk page.  If there's interest, I'll document this.  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:54, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
: Ted that is awesome, could you document it please!  Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
Test it out to see if it's clear? [[New page for yourself#Step 5 - Create your signature]].  I also put in a new step 4 for creating redirects.  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:37, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
 
test, [[User:MarkDilley|[[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>]]  --- ??? what am I doing wrong?  MarkDilley
 
 
[[User:MarkDilley|[[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>]]
 
: I don't know.  Did you check the box?  Hmm. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 11:45, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
I think that is it, [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>
 
: Yup, that's it!  Excellent!
 
 
Except the talk isn't working,  frump! :-)
 
: I'll bet it is.  Mediawiki doesn't self-link so since we're on your talk page, no link.  Try it on my talk page and I'll be it works. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:11, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
Glad you like it! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:16, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
== TagCloud ==
 
This would be a good page to have for people.  http://www.tagcloud.com/ pulling off of the rss feed.  nice.
 
ParkingLot:
:'''Folksomonmy/Tags/Categories''' discussion - redundancy is still an issue, but not for thougth now.
 
== Shortcuts ==
 
In the search box, type these in to get to a frequently used page quickly.
 
* [[File]] - upload a file
* [[Help]] - help files/page
* [[Add]] - how to add a wiki, the template for it
 
== Recursive Nature of Wiki ==
 
[[MarkDilley]] is trying to figure out how this recursive nature of wiki will be best utilized.  So far this [[CategoryWiki]] along with [[PhpWiki]] are examples of an idea I am trying to groke.
 
Go here for a clean page of [[Wikicities]], or rather follow the redirect twice to get back to this page to see what I want to happen, and it should say "Wikis" instead of articles.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]
 
* So here's another place where namespaces are useful, or could be.  I believe you want everything that's currently in the main namespace to be a wiki, correct?  So this page, [[RecursiveNatureOfWiki]], really doesn't belong here.  I'm not sure what you're getting at with the concept, but I think it goes in the WikiIndex namespace ([[WikiIndex: RecursiveNatureOfWiki]]).  Mind if I move it?  Or you can.  Just use the move link above. [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 16:29, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
Actually I do mind that you move it, because it is what I mean.  ;-)  The idea is that I want the MediaWiki wiki to be at the top of Category MediaWiki, so that all the other media wikis are below it.  does that make sense?  [[John Stanton]] knows what I am trying to get at, and he is thinking of it from a programmers percpective.  John, can you add anything?
 
: Sure, I won't move it.  I don't understand why the pagename and namespace are so important to you.  No worries.  Here's a wikipedia category for Chicago Transit Authority.  There's also an article for Chicago Transit Authority, linked right from the top.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chicago_Transit_Authority  Is this at all related to what you're talking about?  [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 13:42, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
We might need to talk about it, or me show you an example.  What I want is [[Wikicities]] to be a page name '''and''' a category, because it is both.  The wiki '''Wikicities''' at the top and a category list at the bottom of all the wikis using that engine. [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
 
: Interesting idea.  A simpler way to accomplish this, not nearly as slick visually but also not requiring any programing would be to have Wikicities be a disambiguation page with two links, one to the Wikicities wiki page and the oter to category wikicities.  We could impliment that immediately without bothing John for code.  It doesn't give you what you want, but maybe it's in the right direction? [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 15:53, 21 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
On Namespace of course we want wiki's as the main types of articles, but if there's another article (like this one for example) that's in the main namespace, so long as it doesn't collide with a wiki, it think it's fine because it won't junk up the categories if we don't categorize it to anything.  Am I missing something? --[[User:Rathbone|Ray]] 00:01, 23 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
For future reference, here are links to [[Template:Wiki Engine]] and [[Template:Wiki Engine boilerplate]].  Just didn't want them to get lost, in case we decide to go back to them. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:59, 11 Mar 2006 (EST)
 
== nested boxes ==
 
 
 
<table cellspacing=3 width="99.5%" border="0" cellpadding="3">
  <tr>
 
    <td align="center" valign="top" bgcolor="#F7EAF2" width="32%" style="border: 1px solid gray;padding-left:1em;">
Test
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
 
<table cellspacing=3 width="99.5%" border="0" cellpadding="3">
</table>
 
{| cellspacing="3"
|- valign="top"
|width="50%" class="MainPageKnowledgeBaseBox" style="border: 1px solid #f99; padding: .5em 1em 1em; color: #000000; background-color: #fff3f3"|
 
 
ScreenSize matters though...  need to keep that in mind when designing web pages.
 
==greetings==
'''Thanks everybody for all the efforts on [[WikiIndex]]!!!'''
 
* Would like to concentrate getting as many [[Wikis To Add|new wikis]] into the system and to completing the [[WorkInProgress|second pass]] through the list to add Logos and correct data entry errors. We have a very limited time between now and [[RecentChangesCamp]] and we want to look as good as possible when we show it to folks. Any help with this process is greatly appreciated!  
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==immediate active collaboration==
* [[WorkInProgress]].  We're going through every wiki to add logos, descriptions and correct category tag errors. Please claim a letter.
* [[Wikis To Add]]
* [[WikiIndexFaq]] - Decisions have been made to try and get us the basics till launch that are not yet writen down.  If you have a question, please use it and help documentation this process.
* [[StartUp Issues]]
* [[Add a Wiki]]
 
==ongoing collaboration==
* [[:Category:FirstAdditional]]
* [[:Category:SecondAdditional]]
* [[:Category:YourWikiEngine]]
* [[:Category:YourWikiTopic]]
 
|width="50%" class="MainPageWikiStuffBox" style="border:1px solid #99f; padding: .5em 1em 1em; color: #000; background-color: #f0f0ff"|
 
{| cellspacing="3" style="width:100%; background-color:transparent;"
|width="100%" colspan="5"|
 
{| style="background-color:transparent;"
|valign="top" style="padding-right: 1em; "|
|}
|-
|-
{| class="wikitable" width="100%"
| || yes || || no time until 4-11-2014 || || || - || bureaucrat ||
| style="width: 50%; vertical-align: top; background-color: #DAFDDA; padding:1em; border:1px solid #aaaaaa"|
 
==about us==
===community.info===
[[:Category:Wiki People|People involved with wiki]]
* [[Community Portal|Front door]]
 
===watchlists===
* [[WorkInProgress]]
 
===featured content===
[[:Category:vibrant]]
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| style="width: 50%; vertical-align: top; background-color: #FFDDDD; padding:1em; border:1px solid #aaaaaa"|
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==news==
* '''''"Building communities worth having!"''''', February 3-5, 2006, Portland, Oregon. Join us at [[RecentChangesCamp]] ... at the [http://www.uplace.pdx.edu/ University Place Conference Center]
* weblog: [http://RecentChanges.info RecentChanges.Info]
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|-
|-
| colspan="2" style="width: 50%; vertical-align: top; background-color: #E6E6FA; padding:1em; border:1px solid #aaaaaa"|
|}
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====related====
It's first try.  I'm happy if You help to improve it.  Details filled in lines other than mine are of course only for demonstration.  I'm curious to see how You might fill it. --[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
* [[:Category:TourBusStop|TourBusSystem]], [[:Category:WikiNode|WikiNode]], [[LocalNames]]
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== references ==
No comments on this from You? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
* [[AntiSpamMeasures]] by wiki engine
* [[:Category:Browse|Browse]]
* [[Community talk]] - make suggestions and proposals here
* [[Magic Words]] for use in pages
* [[WikiIndexFaq]] - Ask your quesions here.
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==note==
: I am extremely busy for this month with the political season in the states. The comments I have are not easily shortened.  Will have to get to it later. Best, [[MarkDilley]]
Please keep this list '''alphabetized'''. Try to make sure the columns stay even (unless there is an odd number of listings). Also, the link to the current collaboration should be a template that you can update without directly editing the Community Portal.
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I see. It is on occasion of Your remark that You are swamped till 4.11.14 that I started developing this idea. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]])
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You do have some time! I have seen it. Do You prefer to waste it in micromanagement? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


==Discussion==
:Is the political season now over? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


What do folks think about [[Front door]] as an alternate to [[Community portal]].
It is nearly half a year now, since I asked. How much time do You intend to devote to the community You are "envisioning" to be the leader of? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 07:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


No time at all? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:20, 12 August 2015 (PDT)


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== meatball ==
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What happened to [[MeatballWiki]]?  It is said to be locked.  But there is no reason either here or on the wiki itself.  [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 00:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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== Recent Changes ==
== Real Names ==
You will be interested in that [[WikiIndex talk:Real names#How real is the support for real names on this_Wiki.3F]] and we will be curious to get further input from You, Mr. [[Leader]] ;-) [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


[[Help:Recent changes]] and point it to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Recent_changes, thus utilizing wikis that are already documented.  Do one for tags and other browse functions.
== What serves the community? ==
Do You think, it serves the community if You let people invent structures for apparently no reason and not teach them how to interact with community, how to introduce new intended concepts and how to get feedback from the peers? How will this serve qualitative or quantitative growth of community? This is not a rhetoric question. I expect an explanation of "What in the world where You thinking?" [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


Recursive Nature of Wiki example. Having recent changes be more consisted with the site, i.e. template with a wiki on it?  Or have it point to the meta wiki media. or both.
It took You two years to have no answer at all. --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:09, 16 June 2016 (PDT)


== Mission statement for the website ==
== Request for [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] concerns  ==
Hi MarkDilley.  Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience.  Please take a moment to visit [[WikiIndex:ServerMove|ServerMove]] and curate the list of concerns.  Thanks! -- [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 22:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


== [[Create.Wiki‎]] ==
You knew it is a farm.  Why didn't You use the farm-template? [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


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It's not that easy. Try this: [[Template:Wiki farm]][[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 15:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MissionStatement
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Starting point suggestions:
Mark, I patiently waited for You to moan. So no is the time: You are the "elder". It is You who should teach me how to set up a wiki farm entry, not the other way around.
http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/1000/900/1915/1915.strip.gif
* And it is not me who should need to counter-check Your edits.
* The leader of a wiki is to set a good example. Moaning and leading exclude each other. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 17:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


==Ground Level, The Wiki Way==
Manorainjan, as the 'elder' here I gave clear direction on how the interaction on the wiki would be better for you.  I said, instead of coming to my page and telling me I did something wrong, just fix it.  That is how I teach you how to interact on this wiki.    ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


1 - To build community amoung people who are using wikis to self organize information that is of interest to them.
Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
John F. Kennedy


2 - By helping to build that community, the WikiIndex will become more accurate and more of a WikiNode for other information types.
Vacations are for the tiered ones. I'm not tiered. And You will not pay my vacations anyway. So, do not ask me, do not interfere in my schedule.  


3 - [[NonViolentCommunication]] skills be thought of a standard for this type of communication.
But if You got tiered, I prepared something nice for You, something I "envisioned" some time ago:


4 - Think about how the [[ExperiencedInteractionWithInexperience]] dynamic plays out in real life and online.
[[File:Lead follow or get out of the way.jpg]]


5 - The current few months of this wiki development is in brainstorm mode.  [[MarkDilley]], [[Raymond King]] started off the brainstorming for the wiki, by deciding on a set template for the pages and a vision to get them filled in with a strong data set. Then to start working on processes and the such after that. 
Or do some real work! [[WikiIndex talk:Leader]]
[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 23:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


6 - All edits are [[SuggestedEdits]]. If a dispute occurs, such as an [[EditWar]], people can rely on their creative energies to come up with solutions, for example [[Versioning]].
== Please comment ==
[[WikiIndex talk:Community portal#We need to have a community discussion about Nathania.2FNathan Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte]]. Honestly, this has really been weighing on me and I am extremely uncomfortable with this content. I know we've spoken about it before but I finally took some rogue admin action about it and deleted some of the links to content about CP. I can't handle it. We shouldn't be linking to that material here or allowing someone to overrun this site with niche vanity wikis. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


== welcome back ==
Mark, I agree that your input on this would be useful. Some clarity is needed on whether this project is open to listing every wiki, or whether there's going to be some restriction on scope. No clear standard has been set as to what content isn't allowed, other than obvious linkspam to non-wiki websites, and I think that previously the door has been wide open to covering the whole wikisphere, and that that is how the situation should remain. The vast majority of WikiIndex deals with niche wikis, and that includes a handful of vanity wikis, aka blikis. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 18:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


You were vaca or somethingGlad to have you backReally looking forward to just a few days from now! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:21, 30 Jan 2006 (EST)
What is a community response to thisFree speech or not having CP here... and not a rogue admin action, no, simply editing~~ [[MarkDilley]]
:I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Thanks. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 19:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


==community building system for wiki==
== Test category ==
So I have this idea for a [[Community Page]] that would be something like [[WhatILearnedOnWikiToday]] which is just stories on a wiki page, like a weblog, reverse dated, pile the next one on top.  I think it would be a way to share what we learn about, with and from wiki.
'''[[:Category:FirstAdditional]]''' Is this serving a function now? Do you want to delete it? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 04:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


I asked my housemate to type in switchwiki into the address bar. WorldWideWiki:SwitchWiki hit first.  He then made from the world wide wiki site to the WikiIndex.  He sat back and was amazed at the front page, so many choices, I sat back and went, hmmm, does the front page look to complex?  wouldn't it be nice to just have a search button in the center like google.  but at this site, you can edit your search page if you want..? Interesting idea I had, but the real issue is we just need to think how we want to be presented to people. Anyway, I asked him to pick a site, he chose one that had '''Hard Wiki'' on it and he went there. After stumbling around a bit he clicked on the photo, remarked postively after visiting the [[CreativeCommons]] site.  Then asked how to get to the wiki, I said it was easy.  He then found it and went to [[HardWiki]] and I thought the FrontPage was nice.  News on the right, community edited news. ([[RecentChanges.Info]] maybe here on the wiki, similar to what [[CommunityWiki]] is doing.
It is part of the template/Boilerplate. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
He found a news article that linked to google video, and then he started to surf it. Like I enjoy surfing wiki.
:'''The template?''' There are lots of templates. Which one? What function is this serving? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


== re: Namespaces ==
That [[User talk:Koavf#The Template|Template]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 20:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


Yes, MediaWiki has them pre-installed.  I'm satisfied with our resolutions [[Namespace Conventions]]. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:24, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
== BackupData not available for the community ==
Hi Mark,


== movie recommendation ==
at [[WikiIndex:Consensus]] You wrote that ray "provides" the Backup data. How and where does he do this? Where can members of this "community" get hands on it?[[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 11:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


I watched this on my laptop on the plane home from Seattle. http://www.archive.org/details/salt_of_the_earth
:From Your one month of silence I conclude, that the backup is not available for the community. Also I conclude, that You Yourself are not available for Work on this wiki. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 12:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Totally awesome labor movie from the 50s. Check it out if you haven't already.  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:26, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)
::Usually it's necessary to redact [[mw:Manual:Database_fields_containing_sensitive_data|sensitive data]] anyway, or export it as XML files or something. You can create your own backup by setting up a script to export everything. I've done it before. It is kind of a PITA, though. There was also [[mw:User:Leucosticte/Doing the Newgon stuff]], instructions for exporting stuff from NewgonWiki. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


== list of biggest wiki ==
== Your silly comment about [[WikiWikiWeb]] ==
You wrote "Your efforts have closed the original [[WikiWikiWeb]] (they have moved it to the new [[Smallest Federated Wiki]]) and I request you stop editing the page going forward. [[MarkDilley]]"


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis
# My efforts can not close [[WikiWikiWeb]]. Ward is the only one who can close it.
# They have not moved it.
# And one can not move it to [[Smallest Federated Wiki]] because that is an engine and not a wiki.
# there is no reason whatsoever why I should  not edit a page which contains mistakes.


and on MeatballWiki
You have never been so wrong before. [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 21:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


== recursive ==
== Weigh in on [[WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change#Poll]]? ==
I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to a potential [[WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change|decision to change the domain of this wiki]].  I hope you'll weigh in with your opinion.  Thanks! [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 20:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


UseModWiki isn't going to show up in the OpenEdit cat anymore, correct?  Doesn't seem right. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:07, 14 Feb 2006 (EST)
== WikiIndex:Community portal/News ==
Hey Mark, what was that?


: I fixed UseMod [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=UseModWiki&diff=0&oldid=4678 here] and Lizzy [http://wikiindex.com/index.php?title=Lizzy&diff=0&oldid=4677 here].  What a pain in the neck!  Are you sure this is worth it? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:32, 15 Feb 2006 (EST)
Was the '''news''' in this that You woke up and finally noticed something?


== WikiProtocal ==
I moved Your "news" to the proper place: [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#Google AdSense]]


fyi http://b2b.wikis.com/wc.dll?b2b~WikiProtocol [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:36, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)
== [[DeWikiIndex]] ==
Koaf said, You know something about: [[WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#ServerMove is Finished]] [[User:Manorainjan|Manorainjan]] ([[User talk:Manorainjan|talk]]) 10:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


== edit mode ==
== Spam ==
'''Please explain''' It seems like we have IP editing but we also have a procedure for requesting an account: that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain this? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:08, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


check back in at [[Category talk:Wiki Edit Mode]]?  Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 23:39, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
:We always hat both, IP-editing and accounts. This is not new and just like on Wikipedia. What is there to explain? We prefer accounts, but don't force it. We prefer real names but don't force it. We perfer pictures in the profiles but don't force it. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:36, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


: awesome!  welcome back - that's a lot of 18 hour days - hope it was productive [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:12, 23 Feb 2006 (EST)
::'''Account requests''' Stop changing the titles of my posts. It doesn't make sense to have an account request process when you can edit without an account anyway. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:48, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


== collapsing work in progress ==
:There is quite a difference between something that You don't grasp and something that does not make sense. If You say it does not make sense than it means it is objectively wrong. But if You say it does not make sense to You, it means You simply don't get it. And that is here the case. The situation as is, the possibility of IP editing & accounts at the same time, that makes a lot of sense. Normally I do not use argument by authority or so, but in this case it makes sense: IP editing & accounts is the situation on the whole of Wikipedia. Now You say, You know better than all of them ;-) Say they got no success. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:55, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::'''Stop please''' Don't change the titles of my posts anymore. Even if you don't like them. In English, you don't capitalize every noun as in German. The only pronoun which is capitalized is "I" or any one that starts a sentence. I have no clue what your response is saying: it's not intelligible to me. You will have to rephrase it if you want me to understand or you can just let Mark respond on his own talk page to a question directed at him in the first place. Thanks anyway. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:03, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


yes, that was a good idea --[[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 03:34, 23 Feb 2006 (EST)
[[User:Koavf|Koavf]], it seems odd to me as well.  Why do we require approval for an account in order to edit if anonymous can just edit anyway?  Why not just allow anyone to create an account and edit if we are going to let ips edit?  One of the major forms of spam on mediawiki installations follows the pattern 1. create account, 2. upload picture, 3. edit page with picture and lots of spam, 4. go away forever.  The ConfirmAccount extension puts a large dent into that particular spam strategy.  A second majore form of spam comes from anonymous editing from ips.  We require ip edits to pass a simple captcha to cut down on spam from them.  Accounts don't have to fill in the captcha.  Does that explanation make sense?  [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 22:21, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


== Versioning ==
: In order to save this edit I had to answer the question: "What is the name of this wiki?"  -- Brandon as [[Special:Contributions/76.27.247.138|76.27.247.138]] 22:22, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
See the idea of [[Versioning]] as a way to deal with the phenomenon of competition and ego for our own ideas on the very first page.  By creating "unlimited" variants, people may more freely explore and express their ideas to express and thoughts.  We could use self organized controls, such as [[#redirect]] and [[ExpiresOn]] categories to deal with clutterI really don't think we are going to be overwhelmed with traffic to be able to at least do this for a few months. What would the [[WikiWay]] do?  [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
::'''Spam filtering''' Nice. So the spam that we have recently received was from a human that copy and pasted it onto the wiki rather than a bot just drive-by spamming? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 22:50, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
::: Probably automated by a human who answered the captcha once for their scriptThe captcha is really really simple and never changes. -- [[User:BrandonCsSanders|BrandonCsSanders]] ([[User talk:BrandonCsSanders|talk]]) 23:05, 21 May 2015 (PDT)


So I have made a couple versions as expamles:
So, as it was to be expected, Mark did not make any useful input to this question. I wonder why You Koavf started this question at this deserted space wich has a long history of unanswered questions? Why not at [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]]?
:'''You can stop now''' It's only been a few hours--get over it. I posted here because Mark knows something about the backend of how the site works. If I just wanted to get an admin's attention, I could have done it myself as I am an admin here. You can stop posting here now unless you have something useful to say. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:07, 22 May 2015 (PDT)


* [[MarkDilley:VersionTwo]] to store my front page. I just need to go clean off the wiki people tag.
{{outdent}}See [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News#01 February 2014]] for the related discussion. In short, many spamming technologies change over time. Once upon a time [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140213135032&type=&user=&page=&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 spam was crazy], but my filter was powerful enough to filter [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140212124559&type=&user=Zhuyifei1999&page=&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 most of them] out. Then spammers decided to stop. They spammed with [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=12 usernames instead], which again got filtered. Then spammers decided to simply [https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140221205458&limit=50&type=newusers&user=&page=&tagfilter= flood accounts with random names]. This, however, could not be prevented. That made some admins stressed, so Confirm Account was installed.
* [[MarkDilley:WikiIndex:Community portal]]
* [[MarkDilley:WikiIndex]] - I think I will use a : inbetween like [[MarkDilley:WikiIndex]] as a page name for my ideas on the page WikiIndex.
* [[MarkDilley:MissionStatement]]


=== versioning discussion ===
However, things change. Spammers no longer try for accounts. They simply started [[Special:Log/block|spamming without account]] instead. I would develop some filters against this, but I see no easy algorithm to identify such edits. --[[YiFei]] | <small>[[User talk:Zhuyifei1999|talk]]</small> 05:50, 24 May 2015 (PDT)


I was nervous about putting this out here, so I asked [[JohnAbbe]] about it and then he missed my irc chat and I could wait to just do it.  So he just came back to my question:
Relevant part of Discussion copied here: [[WikiIndex talk:Spam control policy#2015 discussion]]


* well, it turned out that it was more of an idea than a question. The question is how do we support others ideas and creativity on a wiki?
== Sysop rights ==
Hello, I am an active person here. Can I ask for sysop rights? --[[Special:Contributions/User:Gabriele|Gabriele]] ([[User talk:Gabriele|talk]]) 07:48, 24 May 2015 (PDT)


: '''my answer is less techie - by listening, and reflecting what we're getting of what someone says/writes'''
Hi Gabriele,  just checking, are you requesting deletion of your account page?  If so, I am confused by this request.  Let me know.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


Thanks John! and [[IRC]]!
I have removed my page because it contained personal information. I have created it again. --[[Special:Contributions/User:Gabriele|Gabriele]] ([[User talk:Gabriele|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2015 (PDT)


----
==Why not public?==
The other nice thing about the '''":"''' in the middle fo the wiki words is that when I type in MarkDilley and hit enter a pages comes up with everything of mine.  sweeet!! :-)
Hey Mark, if You don't want to take responsibility [[WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Adminship.2C_how_to_promote]] then why do You discuss such matters concerning us all so privately instead of on the community portal or at least on the admin board? Is this Your 'vision' of community building? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:23, 8 June 2015 (PDT)


Mark,
== When You like something, facts become irrelevant? ==
[[WhatIsWiki]] You should know better. --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:37, 5 August 2015 (PDT)


I'm not getting you.  Are you saying that one way to introduce changes that I'm not sure are non-controversial is to make a "temp" page for the purpose, get comments, and then copy/paste that temp page to the real location?
== Do You want to do something useful? ==
[[:Category:Pages for deletion]] --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:58, 6 August 2015 (PDT)


Or am I totally missing it?
== [[User talk:Technische-Analyse.EU]] ==
Hey Mr. Comunity-building,
this user which You created seems to be unresponsive to whatever one writes to him.
And he loves to delete historical data.
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 02:02, 8 January 2016 (PST)


[[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]] 13:52, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
Since You did not understand that quotation and asked for an explanation:
You may know it in its imprecise form:
"Those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it."
It is about our mission statement, co-created by You, that we do record wiki history as well.
Why are we doing so?
I don't know why You would like to,
but in the light of said quotation we do record wiki history in order to help wiki people,
those people who not only consume wiki but create and drive wiki,
not be doomed to repeat the(ir) mistakes of the past.
Therefore, wiki history is content for wiki people.
And please do not edit my talk page contributions on other talk pages than Yours!
That user has sufficiently censored our contributions on his talk page already!
[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:18, 11 January 2016 (PST)


: Nope!  You got it.  But I think the beauty of it is that people can cull what they like from the page and just go with it.  So I, or anyone, can say '''Here is a idea I had''' - what do folks think about it.  So then it would take another person to go ahead and just do it or comment that it was a good idea.  Or to critique, or as you would say, use the  [[Two feet rule]] and just ignore it.  I think it would work.  Do you?  Best, [[User:MarkDilley|MarkDilley]]
== Movement ==
What means: "Cross MediaWiki direction to remove people from the User namespace)"?
I thought the user namespace is for users?[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:21, 2 February 2016 (PST)


Yes, I do think it will work.  It's a bit less efficient than just editing the page directly, though it has the huge advantage of being less likely of stepping on people, so it's easier for people to work together (emotionally easier, technically it's a bit harder because of having to look multiple places, although...)
: '''Profiles''' Since we also have pages that discuss individuals, your userpage is in the main namespace and your usertalk is in the user talk. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:46, 2 February 2016 (PST)


...A suggestion would be to simply use the talk page of the page in question! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 15:19, 24 Jan 2006 (EST)
:: At the time we decided what Koavf mentioned above, we decided to keep pseudonyms in the user namespace as to encourage [[WikiIndex:Real names|real names]].  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


: I still like my idea of using the talk page for the page in question.  Otherwise, how's anyone going to see your proposed versions?  Seems like a lot of extra overhead and I'm not yet seeing that outweighed by the benefits. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:53, 28 Feb 2006 (EST)
:: AFAIK "pages that discuss individuals" individuals here means [[WikiIndex:Peoples pages]] or [[:Category:Wiki people]]. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:24, 2 February 2016 (PST)


:: How will someone know to look for a version? And why can't it simply be a section on the talk page?  You said it was from a month ago, but it appeared here now, which made me think it was new again. :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:48, 1 Mar 2006 (EST)
::: At what time? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 08:22, 2 February 2016 (PST)
:::: Found it here: [[WikiIndex:Namespace conventions]]. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


I was cleaning up an old page called "Versioning" and placeing it in my talk space.  There are many benifits to the idea of "Versioning" but I don't think it needs to be figured out now, infact I don't have the energy to figure it out now! :-)  Best, [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>
:::::I see. So, new users with real names immediately go to main space without them even requesting it? How Do You konw they are using real names? I think it should be made policy to A: ask new users if they names are real and B ask them if they are willing to appear in main namespace. Users obviously using pseudos should be asked if the like to change to real name or if they like to get additional real name page in name space as well. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 16:07, 2 February 2016 (PST)


: Hi!  Thanks for the welcome.  I got introduced to this by my housemate [[User:TedErnst|TedErnst]]. [[User:Dan Korn|Dan Korn]] 23:33, 1 Mar 2006 (EST)
==Hans Christian Isak Mørch Holm==
What are You smoking? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:57, 30 May 2016 (PDT)


* Found a [[TedErnst]] link that I feel is in the ballpark of what I am thinking on this stuff. http://tedernst.com/wp/?p=366
== Please finish the work You have started ==
Or do You want to show is, that it is below [[Special:Contributions/76.27.236.154|You]] to create complete wiki entries? [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:22, 16 June 2016 (PDT)


** Sorry, I'm not getting the connection yet.  Say more?  (By the way, Kaliya is not happy that I blogged about this so soon in the brainstorming process.  Seems there's some internal board stuff she's dealing with. Just call me troublemaker!) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:40, 9 Mar 2006 (EST)
Revision history of "[[BME Encyclopedia]]" shows, You where not only the one who created the doublet of this wiki page, also You choose the wrong entry as base for the merger. The older entries history should be in the merged article. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:54, 18 August 2016 (PDT)


=== weblog post ===
: Manorainjan, You are so very tedious. Time for wiki vacation again.  ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
http://celeryjuice.net/04/04/2006/wiki/


== move page feature ==
The one who is tired calls others tedious as a result of his psychological projection. That is the one who needs a vacation. I'm not tired, I'm fine. I'm autonomously controlling the dispatching of my energy. Therefore I never need a vacation. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 02:01, 19 August 2016 (PDT)


Mark, you know about that feature, yes?  I noticed you cut and pasted info from my spam page to the new opt out page and then marked the spam page for deletionIf you had just moved the spam page to the opt out page there would be an automatic redirect created and no deletion would be necessary.  What do you think? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:50, 3 Mar 2006 (EST)
: Exactly~~ [[MarkDilley]]


* I didn't think to do that, but should have. [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>
this [[:Category:Hobby]] is another clean up of work which You caused and did not finish. [[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:25, 27 August 2016 (PDT)


No worries.  I find it a very cool feature and just wanted to make sure you knew about it.  I really like that anyone can use it, not just admin! And it preserves the edit history, in case anyone cares about that :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:00, 4 Mar 2006 (EST)
== Cleaning of TOS ==
What You can expect if You provide email during registration, '''has''' to be part of the registration page! --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:12, 23 October 2016 (PDT)


:Another advantage of the Move feature is that it moves the matching Talk page (if any) - with certain rare exceptions. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:37, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
== What for are talk pages? ==
https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Databoy&diff=next&oldid=193957
What where You thinking?
If anyone would like to talk to Databoy, You directed him to his user page.
It was to be expected, that Databoy does not want any talk on his user page.
Whom do You know, who prefers talk on his user page?
So I'm asking You: What where You thinking?
Where is the logic in Your action?
Who would benefit from that redirect and how?
Be precise in Your answer!!
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 12:11, 12 December 2016 (PST)


== Next WikiIndex banner? ==
:Your disrespect for Mark, one of the fairest admins on this site, is absolutely astonishing. [[User:Databoy|Databoy]] ([[User talk:Databoy|talk]]) 18:13, 12 December 2016 (PST)


banner - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006_Call_for_Participation
::So You are astonished, that somebody can be more disrespectful than You in Your eyes? Besides that, what is Your mission on WikiIndex? What do You intend to contribute besides conflict that causes the admins waste of time about one single entry?  --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:35, 13 December 2016 (PST)
:::There was no conflict until you appeared and started putting your nose into other people's business. And if you're so concerned about the admins wasting their time, perhaps you shouldn't complain to them. [[User:Databoy|Databoy]] ([[User talk:Databoy|talk]]) 04:17, 13 December 2016 (PST)


== Cool idea at da'pedia ==
==[[:Category:WikiIndex account]]==
You got it wrong, as usual. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 01:52, 25 January 2017 (PST)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Film
You are a lovely person to work with, as usual. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== Re: Deleted Redirects ==
Thanks ;-) --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:49, 25 January 2017 (PST)


We talked about this a month or so ago.  I'm not a fan of deleting redirects, unless they're defamatory or harmful to the project (like my spam one).  I really, really hate the case-sensitivity of Media Wiki and re-directs are one way to make that less of a problem.  I humbly request that you save us both some time by not deleting them, or of course, I'm open to more conversation if you like. [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
So, You prefer to do things the wrong way around, as usual? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 07:55, 25 January 2017 (PST)


== Hey, Mark ==
Since you're a leader of this wiki, I figured I might as well point you to [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines|a little vote]] I've started regarding our wiki people policies. --[[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!!]] 10:18, 25 January 2017 (PST)
: Is this the section you are referring to? [[WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Wiki people policy]] ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


:I agree with Ted there. I know they appear in the "all pages" list, but that's not something most people ever need to look at. Redirects definitely avoid the likely duplication of pages by well-meaning people who just haven't searched far enough to find what they are duplicating (and don't know they haven't), or haven't even tried. [[User:Robin Patterson|robinp]] 16:59, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
== Moving page ==
I'm actually pretty annoyed that you moved my old username -> my current username without asking me first. I have outlined my reasons in a mail.  


== Wikis to Add ==
This is something you should have asked me about beforehand and in my opinion, this should not be the default whenever someone changes their name or username. They may have privacy issues or other reasons and may not want this. If I can make a suggestion, you really should ask the user before you do it.
Awesome work creating all those pages!  This will save a lot of time, not having to create the pages or figure out the name of the wiki. Excellent!  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 12:37, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)


== navel gazing ==
I'd like you to please delete that redirect, which I guess means delete old and new userpages (since old has been moved to new and the history is there for anyone to find). To be clear, I don't want any association with that name at all. Think about it for a second & you should understand why.


http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=&url=wikiindex.com
I shouldn't have to tell you. I refuse to be defined by my mistakes. That name does not exist anymore. It needs to vanish like a bad dream.


== Shock Level 4 ==
Thanks in advance for understanding. [[User:Alexander|Alexander]] ([[User talk:Alexander|talk]]) 14:06, 14 February 2017 (PST)
::Don't forget this user and talk page too, as you moved old to new. Thanks. [[User:Alexander|Alexander]] ([[User talk:Alexander|talk]]) 14:18, 14 February 2017 (PST)


http://wikiindex.com/Sl4Wiki [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:21, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
== HTTP 500 Internal Server Error ==
Hello Mark, hope you are well. :)


== logos ==
I am getting blocked from editing certain pages here - returning the above HTTP 500 error.  Do you have any ideas what is happening?


I haven't done much with logos or images of any kind on MediaWiki, but I thought there was a way to upload an image with the same name as a previous image, and it would replace it, just like wiki text. That way, you wouldn't have to change the template in our site with the new name.  Did I dream this up?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:36, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
Best regards [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 14:28, 27 April 2017 (PDT)


: I think your are correct that we don't need to change the template for images uploaded with the same name. If you are reffering to the updated logo at Wikicites. The old logo was just named Wikicities, the new one is named WikicitiesLogo. [[MarkDilley]] | <small>[[User talk:MarkDilley|talk]]</small>
: Hi Sean, well thank you, hope you are well too. Are you getting the error still? ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


Ah, I hadn't thought of the fact that we might not be re-naming logosCoolCarry on! :-) [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:03, 6 Mar 2006 (EST)
::I'm not too good - awaiting knee surgery at the moment :-(
::Errors are still bothersome - I've discovered three specific errors, and raised them with Koavf [[User talk:Koavf#Buggy software|here]].  The HTTP 500 error seems to be happening when trying to edit large-ish articles[[Template:Wiki status]] is one which refuses to save even the smallest error and gives the HTTP 500I also tried to archive some of the older messages from [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki]] and save them to [[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki/Archive 2014-15]], but it refuses with the HTTP 500.  I've searched on MediaWiki.org, and it indicates some kind of throttling or size limit on the setup of the software. :-/


== how do you track actvitiy on wikis you care about? ==
::I'm also getting very random white-page 'database errors'.  Even on the smallest articles it occurs, and cache clearing doesn't seem to help.  Finally, [[Special:Upload]] refuses to work - I can't upload any new logos.  Hopefully, you can get Ray or Brandon to resolve the issues.  Oh - Happy May Day to you!  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:16, 1 May 2017 (PDT)


I noticed you commented on a new person at wikisym today.  How do you track the wikis you care about?  I'm using http://www.communitywiki.org/en/RecentChangesPersonalizedTedErnst.  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:06, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)
::: Hopefully fixed now, errant backup script was eating disk space [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small> 21:23, 2 May 2017 (PDT)


: Hi Ted - mostly Bloglines - http://www.bloglines.com/public/MarkDilley
== Cheking with Ward ==
In 2010 You said "As far as I understand, [[PortlandPatternRepository]] is the first wiki and was nicknamed the [[WikiWikiWeb]]." and You are going to check with ward: http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:WikiWikiWeb&diff=77664&oldid=77653
* Did You do that?
* What was the result?


You seem to have lost your cookie.  Anyway, holy shit, you follow a lot of feeds!  How much of that do you actually read?  [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 23:21, 8 Mar 2006 (EST)
I did, remember vaguely that he confirmed. Check out C2.com ''Portland Pattern Repository's Wiki'' ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== language note ==
--[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 09:24, 29 April 2017 (PDT)


http://meta.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Anarchopedia:Community_Portal
== Problems remain, some serious ==
Hi Mark


== Trade off between reading and writing ==
We still have problems with our WikiIndex MediaWiki configuration, and I think they need some urgent attention.  I'll try to list as follows:<br>
A) database error - I can't remember the exact wording, but I am still getting blocked from saving an edit - with an on-screen error message regarding database something :-P<br>
B) autopatrolled - I am regularly getting my own edits appearing with the "mark this edit as patrolled"!  This simply should not occur.  Autopatrolled edits should happen automatically for every registered user who has made more than 10 edits.  I think I have passed that threshold <he says, tounge in cheek>.<br>
C) spam blacklist - I am occasionally getting blocked from saving edits by either the [[spam blacklist]], and / or one of the [[Abuse Filter]]s.  These occurrences have happened on existing articles, where the "blocked" phrase or word was already on said article.  A recent example is on [[Regiowikis]].  Look under the Romania sub-heading - it won't let me save the text which I had to comment out - because it contained "c u r e".  As an [[Sysop|Administrator]], I should automatically be allowed to bypass all blacklists and Abuse Filter triggers - but something must be quite wrong in our software config.<br>
And finally, for now;<br>
<s>D) page protection failure - I was given a heads up on my user talk page about some possible vandalism by Manor.  Upon investigation, I noticed that [[WikiIndex:Add a Wiki]] had some drivel editing by an [[IP editor]].  This is exceedingly alarming!  That specific page has been protected (since 2013, I think) so that ONLY sysops can edit it.  Something is seriously wrong if an IP editor can edit a supposedly protected page at will.</s>  Wrong example, I need to find the correct one.


http://www.nooranch.com/synaesmedia/wiki/wiki.cgi?TradeOffBetweenReadingAndWriting
I noticed Koavf blocked said IP for 2 weeks, and reverted one of their vandal edits, but some still remain - so I will check all their edits.


== RecentChangesPatrol ==
Can you please ask Ray to look into these issues asap please?  Best,  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 12:53, 26 May 2017 (PDT)


excellent!  sorry for reverting you - I couldn't figure out what you were doing - now I see it and of course it's much better than it was before - great work! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 13:31, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)
: Thanks for reaching out Sean. I passed along info.  Best, [[MarkDilley]]


== wikis for review ==
==[[Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Inactivity of administrators]]==
Hey, master of Visions, lover of communities plodding on, would You care to conduct a survey amongst the inactive admins about their reasons? --[[User_talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 03:12, 4 June 2017 (PDT)


Do we have a way to mark wikis for reviewIf not, remind me to create something, will you?  In the meantime, take a look at [[GreenCheese]], okay? ''comment going to both Mark and Ray'' -- [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 17:21, 10 Mar 2006 (EST)
: Good idea, I have no time to be involved in that. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]
::Does it ''really'' matter if any admin is 'inactive'There are two specific methods that any person (even [[IP editor]]s) can use to check the activity of [[sysop]]s, that are universally enabled on all public MediaWiki sites.  Me thinks Manor is just snooping for the sake of snooping. :-/  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 15:06, 7 December 2017 (PST)


== delete procedure ==
== Thank You Notification ==
On Wikipedia there is this functionality that You can send thanks to editors for their edits.
Don't You think, this positive kind of reaction could be useful in enhancing wiki community? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 10:42, 6 December 2017 (PST)


Please see [[WikiIndex talk:Deleting pages]]. Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 02:30, 11 Mar 2006 (EST)
: Sure if you or others would like to do that, I think it is a great idea. ~~ [[MarkDilley]]


== RealNames==
== Advertising on WikiIndex ==
Hi Mark.  Just found a comment you made back in 2011 about [http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2011/07/brands-in-google-plus.html#comment-6a00d8341cd8a453ef014e89bf7ce4970d web advertising on GooglePlus], and your clear preference of having an 'off' button for the [[:Category:Advertising|ads]].  This ties in with recent thoughts of my own, following my discovery that WikiIndex has a [[:Category:Google|Google AdSense]] account set up, but not currently enabled.  I noticed that our MediaWiki config allows us to have the ads displaying for Anon users and [[IP editor]]s, but can also turn off the ads once logged in.  This is actually an identical modus operandi which many other wikis use - both independent and major [[wiki farm]]s such as [[:Category:Wikia|Wikia]] and the former [[:Category:Wikkii|Wikkii]].


I know you're busyNo hurry.  When you get a chance, could you look in on [http://wikiindex.com/WikiIndex_talk:RealNames#RealNames_is_a_given.2C_what_about_pseudo_vs_ip.3F the RealNames discussion page]?  Thanks! [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 14:14, 16 Mar 2006 (EST)
I actually see two positive benefits of enabling Anon ads; the first an obvious is a valuable income stream (which shouldn't be dismissed lightly), the second is that it will hopefully improve our wiki community by dangling a carrot and 'encouraging' IP editors to create an accountNaturally, we can edit our Anon site notice to the effect that logging in will remove the ads.


== good idea ==
The only downside is that ads ''do'' annoy a small percentage of wiki users (but this is no different to life in general, be they ads on TV, or on newspaper websites, etc).  In reality, though, if we do happen to p!ss off a tiny minority who detest ads, they probably would not be a valuable community asset anyway!


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour  - maybe go hang out at the [[BeachByTheOcean]]
I am suggesting this, because, whilst the previous efforts of [[Brandon]] and [[Emufarmers]] are greatly appreciated, WikiIndex really does deserve much better backend support.  There are still many bugs outstanding since the last upgrade by Brandon back in 2015, and I am not sure when our database was last backed up!


== great to have you back ==
What are your thoughts, please?  Can you run this past Ray?  Best regards as always.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:12, 9 December 2017 (PST)


How are you doing? Still a few more days on the job or are you done? What's next on the horizon? [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 16:41, 27 Mar 2006 (EST)
:We're pretty familiar with AdSense from our days at AboutUs.  I recall that you need quite a bit of traffic to generate any meaningful revenue. The more prominent the ad(s), the more revenue and the more "junked up" the site looks. I don't mind an experiment, like maybe an ad under the menu on the left, but not sure who can easily set this up.  Also, I don't mind simply trying to get better back end support in place.  Open to thoughts [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


== [[LocalNames]] ==
::Do we have anywhere statistical data about the traffic in WikiIndex? I had asked for such quite some time ago:[[WikiIndex:SiteStats]]. No response by now.... [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:13, 13 December 2017 (PST)


I think that what you are calling [[LocalNames]] is what the [[MediaWiki]] software refers to as an interwiki or intermap link. I can, for example, user the [[WikiPedia:User talk:BlankVerse]] link on every wiki using the MediaWiki software and that will link to my user page on the English-language Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find where the WikiIndex keeps its interwiki map, but it it must have one for that last link to work. The interwiki map for all of the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] projects is at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map] and the [[Usemod]]/[[MeatballWiki]] map is at [http://usemod.com/intermap.txt]. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterWiki and http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?InterMap. [[User:BlankVerse]] | <small>[[User talk:BlankVerse|talk]]</small> 18:38, 29 Mar 2006 (EST)
::: I don't, maybe someone else does? [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


== Thanks ==
::::If You don't have such data, than nobody has. Since years, for the most part, this community is in strict denial of the acceptance of the unimportance of this wiki. Therefore anything that could lead to actual data that would allow comparisons with the other entities in the wikisphere which we are to cartograph are avoided. Even the one method which we used to measure other wikis with - the [[Special:PopularPages|wikiFactor]] - we have given up and [[User_talk:Koavf#wikiFactor|are not to renew it]]. [[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 11:52, 13 December 2017 (PST)
:::::If Ray doesn't have immediate access to that data, it may still exist. In fact, it very likely does with the host. If you think this wiki is unimportant, then I'm not sure why you bother to even say so. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 12:19, 13 December 2017 (PST)


Thanks for listing [[WikiLens]].  We'd like more users. :)
==WikiIndex:Community portal/News==
It's a news page, not a chat room. --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 13:26, 14 December 2017 (PST)


--Dan
:If [[WikiIndex:Community portal/News]] is for "news and chat" as You prefer to believe, than for what is [[WikiIndex talk:Community portal/News|WikiIndex '''talk''':Community portal/News]]? And why is it called News and not '''News & Chat and whatever crosses Marks mind'''? --[[User talk:Manorainjan|'''<span style="color: orange;">Manorainjan</span>''']] 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)


No problem Dan!  We would like to facilitate more people to your community!!  Please take some time and make your entry better representative of your wiki.  :-[[MarkDilley]]
==[[Special:AbuseFilter/12|Abuse filter 12]] blocking sign-up for [[Special:Contributions/Jordan_D|Jordan D]]==
Hi Mark, hope you are well.


I have been looking through the [[Special:AbuseLog|Abuse filter log]] and noticed a trigger alert of 25 August 2018 disallowing the creation of a [[username]] (and therefore account) by [[Special:Contributions/Jordan_D|Jordan D]] that contained the word 'Jordan'.  Knowing that is an acceptable christian name / given name and/or surname, I amended [[Special:AbuseFilter/12|Abuse filter 12]] to effectively allow 'Jordan' to create an account contaning said username.  Further down the abuse filter log, I also noticed that both Ray and yourself tried to manually create a user account for the same Jordan D on 15 July 2018, but without success.  Now that I have amended offending abuse filter, if either yourself or Ray still have contact details for Jordan D, maybe you (or Ray) can try again to create his account.


== for the how to tread lightly on newbies page ==
I shall copy the above to [[User talk:Ray King]], just in case Ray has more time or still has the contact details of Jordan D.  Miss your input here, hope you can find time to actively return.  Do I guess you are currently busy with the US Mid-Term elections?  All the best.  [[User:Hoof Hearted|Sean, aka <small>Hoof Hearted</small>]] • <sub>[[:Category:Active administrators of this wiki|Admin]] / [[WikiIndex:Bureaucrats|'Crat]]</sub> • <small>[[User talk:Hoof Hearted|talk2HH]]</small> 07:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


[http://www.communitywiki.org/en/NoSuddenMovements CommmuityWiki:NoSuddenMovements] [[CommunityWiki:NoSuddenMovements]]
Hello Sean!  Thank you so very much for figuring out that weirdness!  I will look around and see if I can let him know we figured out the problem  (using royal-we :-)  - yes the midterm elections are upon us and lots of people have been working very hard for something positive. Breath held for three more days now!  Much appreciation SeanBest, [[MarkDilley]]


== edit war ==
So great you figured it out Sean!  I've e-mailed Jordan and hope he shows up :-) [[Raymond King]] | <small>[[User talk:Rathbone|talk]]</small>


Mark, obviously neither of us wants to be in an edit war.  I haven't looked through all the changes, but I'm writing here about your re-naming of the tourbusstop.  Also just as obviously, there's not a clear "rule" about which change "sticks" while we're working out a difference.  I moved it from where it was and you (apparently it was you, it was unsigned) objected.  I asked why and got no response.  Now there's a response there and you went ahead and moved it back.  This is a wiki practice issue for me at this point.  In essence you reverted me and we can either have the conversation in this reverted state or I can drop the whole thing. Maybe I'm fooling myself thinking this is about something larger than my own pettiness.  Part of the the problem is I've been home with the flu today so probably am more senstitive than usual today.  Let's talk in a couple of days, okay?  peace, [[TedErnst]] | <small>[[User talk:TedErnst|talk]]</small> 23:52, 3 Apr 2006 (EDT)
== Pages for deletion ==
Hello, can you please check [[:Category:Pages for deletion]]? The category includes my user page and talk page, which I would like to remove because they contain personal information. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 12:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


== voice? ==
:Thanks! --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 18:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


Hey Mark, sorry for my edginess and angriness lately. Would love to catch up by phone when you have some time.  I'm leaving work now, available this evening by skype if you are or phone anytime.  hugs, ted
== Nathan Larson ==
Regarding [[Special:Diff/213417|this]], that is in fact the same Nathan Larson. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/MJL|☖]]</sup></span> 06:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


:''yes, definately, I have been sick too!''
== Troll account ==
Hello, I did that because this is a troll account. I was already globally locked on Wikimedia and multiple wiki farms (Fandom, Miraheze and ShoutWiki).  Also, I am a sockpuppet of [[User:Usa11]], so please block both of us. Sorry. --[[User:Terilir|Terilir]] ([[User talk:Terilir|talk]]) 07:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


== quantum ==
:I confirm that I am a troll account and a sockpuppet of [[User:Terilir|Terilir]]. Please block me and delete the user pages of both my accounts. --[[User:Usa11|Usa11]] ([[User talk:Usa11|talk]]) 08:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
From [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_number Wikipedia] - "A quantum number is any one of a set of numbers used to specify the full quantum state of any system in quantum mechanics. Each quantum number specifies the value of a conserved quantity in the dynamics of the quantum system. Since any quantum system can have one or more quantum numbers, it is a futile job to list all possible quantum numbers."

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Mark Dilley wins another victory in the fight against unnecessary complexity[edit]

I guess I was expecting dozens of people to each insert their pet peeve into the WikiIndex talk:Blocking and banning policy#draft blocking policy proposal, making it balloon up into a huge monster of complexity.

I am pleasantly surprised that you made it shorter. Also, it makes me happy that you deleted my negative language about "warning" and replaced it with a more positive alternative. --DavidCary 01:44, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

The value of discussion[edit]

Discussion is also work, unless not completed and hanging in the air for years. Even then it is work, only without result. Naturally it is easier to do little edits here and there and consider that as work with results rather than coming to a conclusion in a debate since the later requires more staying power.

I do not mind if anybody improves my statements on a talk page like better link format. But whatever I write there should not be changed in the wording and left with my signature. That would be forgery, that is not me any more. My statements are not articles to be edited. Manorainjan (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

When I count amongst my last 100 edits only 20% is discussion, the rest, 80% is "work" ;-) How is Your work-count? Manorainjan (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I really am not getting into an argument about discussion and work.  :-) ~~ MarkDilley
You are not getting into it, You where the one who started it in the first place. Manorainjan (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Manorainjan, maybe it's a second language thing, but the tone of your words seems hostile. Might I suggest you take a rest from this subject? --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not think it's about tone. But if You think, You can explain it. Manorainjan (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I apologize, I didn't mean to say that discussion was not work, when in fact it is sometimes the hardest work. ~~ MarkDilley
Sometimes? ;-) For every work there is a competence to aquire that makes it easier if not possible at all. NVC and sorry for late reply, I was busy with "work" ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

How community works[edit]

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." is one of seven quotes inscribed on the walls at the gravesite of John F. Kennedy at Arlington National Cemetery.

In that spirit it does not bring forward community feeling by howling that one is not part of it but by active participation and invitation for others to participate. Now, on the one hand You are acting 'nice' by welcoming new users and telling them to BeBold. But on several occasions where I acted semi-bold and discussed a change with a 'senior' user You where howling 'I am not involved in the conversation'. So, what I did was to shift this topic in front and invited the community to discuss it there. Now the question arises why didn't You do that in the first place, being more senior and obviously feeling the need for participation showing me HowTo CommunityCate? Now, I went further and informed other Users who obviously did not take note of this discussion. Rather than supporting the unfinished discussion You started to discourage my efforts by belittling the value of discussion calling then 'endless' which is an euphemism for useless and without result and contradicting discussion with 'work' as a symbol for productivity. Also You potentially started a separation of 'me' and what I do (endless discussion) and what You call 'we' and what actually You personally allegedly are doing. this is neither 'wok' AKA little edits here and there nor promoting community AKA discussion for finding solutions with which everybody can live nicely.

What You got to do now is, to find Your inner motivation what drove You to disturb constructive discussions and then redirect this motivation into a more productive strategy that supports the progress of a community. Manorainjan (talk) 13:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Ohai Mark[edit]

Sincerely, Johnny. Sweetie Belle (talk) 23:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Should we have alternative infoboxes besides Template:Wiki?[edit]

Discussion here. --MarvelZuvembie (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Improving the community[edit]

Discussion with results AKA work ;-) Any suggestions? Manorainjan (talk)

WikiIndex talk:Community talk#Request account - real name[edit]

Do You know the answer?Manorainjan (talk)

Regarding Your 'envisioning' the Community portal to be of any use for community or discussion, how shall this question WikiIndex talk:Opt out be treated, how would the community be 'notified' about it? Manorainjan (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

eMail[edit]

What happened to the fixing of email functionality for this Wiki?Manorainjan (talk) 12:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Upgrading to a clean install of the latest stable version was hoped to have resolved that issue. It hasn't. That is the place where we are at now. ~~ MarkDilley

You told me, that some user account do not have this problems. From there I concluded, that it is not a software problem. the Problem sits in the net. It got to do with mail servers and blacklists.Manorainjan (talk)

PS: When this update was done?

Last year was the latest upgrade. ~~ MarkDilley

 Done see WikiIndex:Community_portal Manorainjan (talk) 23:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Too late[edit]

https://WikiIndex.org/User_talk:W812949 Manorainjan (talk)

Wikipediaphobie?[edit]

Wikipedia has no page about us: List of wikis

And then the ivory tower inhabitants wonder why this Wiki does not grow a stronger user base within the said 8+ years... Who is the PR secretary of this one-horse town? Manorainjan (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Robin Patterson[edit]

Do You know what role Robin Patterson played in the founding phase of WikiIndex? Manorainjan (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Robin helped with SwitchWiki and jumped over to WikiIndex for a bit. ~~ MarkDilley

Sounds like a founding member to me, if he was already engaged on the preceding project. Manorainjan (talk)

Great discussion :-)[edit]

... You said 2007 ...

Was there any result? Manorainjan (talk) 07:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Project Namespace[edit]

Can You give a definition of 'Project:' namespace?

They are typically the name of the wiki, also called meta pages. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 22:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

fb[edit]

Do You ever read your facebook mails? M.

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File:WikiIndexLogo2014.png

I have no idea what could be offending in a sunflower.Manorainjan (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Really? As Sean suggests, a sunflower with the brackets around it is copyrighted. Makes sense to me. ~~ MarkDilley
and looks like it is in the public domain, thanks YiFei.

blocked from doing work[edit]

I think the biggest thing for you to do Manorainjan, is to slow down here. Best, MarkDilley

What would be the advantage of being slow? the one who does mistakes should be more careful. Maybe he should 'slow' down, take a vacation. I'm fine. My mind is concentrated. I'm in good mood. What is wrong with that? M.
I think they basically mean, spend more time in the D part of the BRD cycle, and work to get consensus on your side. Leucosticte (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm the last one to avoid any discussion ;-) But Sean has blocked every possible aspect of my account regarding communication, even internal mail which is needed for this part: User is blocked Jump to: navigation, search Your username or IP address has been blocked. The block was made by Hoof Hearted. The reason given is no reason given. Start of block: 14:17, 19 September 2014 Expiry of block: 14:17, 26 September 2014 Intended blockee: Manorainjan You can contact Hoof Hearted or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 178.11.160.142, and the block ID is #19490. Please include all above details in any queries you make. M.

The reason Sean gave was copyright violations, repeated disruption to WikiIndex, refusing to following community-agreed standards in the first block. ~~ MarkDilley

None of those accusations have substance. He totally failed to supply any proof of his biased claims. He did not even try. Manorainjan (talk)
The log summary helps make people realize there was more misbehavior after the unblock; otherwise, the reblock makes it look like there was a wheel war. Special:Logs/block. Leucosticte (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

There was and is no wheel war.

  1. Sean blocked my account
  2. Mark expressed that he did not agree with that.
  3. Sean ignored that
  4. YiFei, being more practical than talkative unblocked my account, expressing his opinion by this.
  5. Sean disrespected both and blocked my account again.
  6. Mark repeated his difference in opinion
  7. Sean kept his stubborn attitude and silence.

That's it. Now the thing hangs in the middle kind of. Sean puts his nose deep in 'work' trying his very, very best to ignore my IP edits or anybody's comments on this 'case' and passes his chances to 'range block' the IPs I'm using. And none of the sysops like to stir anybody up further. So, Your expectation of a wheel war will go unfulfilled. I'm not sorry about this.Manorainjan (talk)

How was that not a wheel war? Are you saying that the battle was only hypothetical and not real? Leucosticte (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

You seam to have serious difficulties to understand the motivations of people. First of all there was no intention of waging a war from any side, especially not amongst the sysops. Everybody expressed their opinion in their specific way, once. Only mark did the same thing twice. But he did no reverts, blocks or unblocks at all. So, nothing to see here, keep moving! Manorainjan (talk)

If there were a fight, who do you think would win? What odds would you place on the various combatants? Also, are you willing to provoke enough fights (n >= 30) that we will have a statistically significant sample with which to judge the accuracy of your predictions? Also, how much money can we bring into the WikiIndex coffers by taking the wiki private and charging the public for admission to see the fight? Leucosticte (talk) 00:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

If there would be a fight, nobody would win, everybody would lose and everybody except You knows that. And You don't have the power to start a war Birdy. Manorainjan (talk)

That's only true if the last man standing is mortally wounded before he finishes everyone else off. Leucosticte (talk) 00:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Birdy, if You can't sleep, do something useful: Table of results M.

User:Manorainjan[edit]

Mark, there are numerous reasons why the above user should be blocked, some of them extremely serious, and I must insist that the block should stand. I will detail my reasons on Monday, when I have more time and less interuptions. I would appreciate that you support your fellow sysops, rather than constantly over-rulling them. Respectfully yours, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 21:00, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Special:RequestAccount[edit]

We got to change this page in order to supply necessary information right there.

  • I would also like to include in WikiIndex:Real names that using a RN is appreciated but optional.
  • What about that field in request form? Is it optional or compulsory?
  • The form does not explicitly tell which field needs to be filled!! There is lack of clarity. That does not support the generation of trust. I cannot continue to write help text if I do not know the conditions of account creation.
  • I also suggest to trim this page quite a lot. For example "Other information" should be omitted.
  • This page is the very entry point for wiki community. This and the following procedures are absolutely vital for it's growth.
  • I also may be lacking some technical terms here. Request, creation, validation, 'approval'?
  • The page treats email verification and account approval as the same thing with the same word.
  • The main page navigation speaks of Request and the Help page of create account. There should not be a difference.

Manorainjan (talk) 21:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Assume good faith[edit]

Check my recent rant about Your favourite dogma ;-) And how I got there. (He/she/it/them was online today) Manorainjan (talk) 23:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Grey4Column[edit]

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

I thought this is newest news on top? --Manorainjan (talk) 16:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Teamwork information[edit]

This is a proposal for a new wiki community related feature.

I hope You like the idea and find a way to integrate this table on Your User Page.

Online Accessibility E-mail Commitment Exeptions UTC Skills Duty Rank Propensities
yes no time until 4-11-2014 - bureaucrat

It's first try. I'm happy if You help to improve it. Details filled in lines other than mine are of course only for demonstration. I'm curious to see how You might fill it. --Manorainjan (talk) 00:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

No comments on this from You? Manorainjan (talk)

I am extremely busy for this month with the political season in the states. The comments I have are not easily shortened. Will have to get to it later. Best, MarkDilley

I see. It is on occasion of Your remark that You are swamped till 4.11.14 that I started developing this idea. Manorainjan (talk)

You do have some time! I have seen it. Do You prefer to waste it in micromanagement? Manorainjan (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Is the political season now over? Manorainjan (talk) 21:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

It is nearly half a year now, since I asked. How much time do You intend to devote to the community You are "envisioning" to be the leader of? Manorainjan (talk) 07:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

No time at all? Manorainjan 07:20, 12 August 2015 (PDT)

meatball[edit]

What happened to MeatballWiki? It is said to be locked. But there is no reason either here or on the wiki itself. Manorainjan (talk) 00:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Real Names[edit]

You will be interested in that WikiIndex talk:Real names#How real is the support for real names on this_Wiki.3F and we will be curious to get further input from You, Mr. Leader ;-) Manorainjan (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

What serves the community?[edit]

Do You think, it serves the community if You let people invent structures for apparently no reason and not teach them how to interact with community, how to introduce new intended concepts and how to get feedback from the peers? How will this serve qualitative or quantitative growth of community? This is not a rhetoric question. I expect an explanation of "What in the world where You thinking?" Manorainjan (talk) 10:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

It took You two years to have no answer at all. --Manorainjan 10:09, 16 June 2016 (PDT)

Request for ServerMove concerns[edit]

Hi MarkDilley. Since you are one of the most active contributors here I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to the upcoming ServerMove and solicit your help in making the transition a positive rather than negative experience. Please take a moment to visit ServerMove and curate the list of concerns. Thanks! -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Create.Wiki‎[edit]

You knew it is a farm. Why didn't You use the farm-template? Manorainjan (talk) 11:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

It's not that easy. Try this: Template:Wiki farmManorainjan (talk) 15:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Mark, I patiently waited for You to moan. So no is the time: You are the "elder". It is You who should teach me how to set up a wiki farm entry, not the other way around. http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/1000/900/1915/1915.strip.gif

  • And it is not me who should need to counter-check Your edits.
  • The leader of a wiki is to set a good example. Moaning and leading exclude each other. Manorainjan (talk) 17:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Manorainjan, as the 'elder' here I gave clear direction on how the interaction on the wiki would be better for you. I said, instead of coming to my page and telling me I did something wrong, just fix it. That is how I teach you how to interact on this wiki. ~~ MarkDilley

Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
John F. Kennedy

Vacations are for the tiered ones. I'm not tiered. And You will not pay my vacations anyway. So, do not ask me, do not interfere in my schedule.

But if You got tiered, I prepared something nice for You, something I "envisioned" some time ago:

Lead follow or get out of the way.jpg

Or do some real work! WikiIndex talk:Leader Manorainjan (talk) 23:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Please comment[edit]

WikiIndex talk:Community portal#We need to have a community discussion about Nathania.2FNathan Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte. Honestly, this has really been weighing on me and I am extremely uncomfortable with this content. I know we've spoken about it before but I finally took some rogue admin action about it and deleted some of the links to content about CP. I can't handle it. We shouldn't be linking to that material here or allowing someone to overrun this site with niche vanity wikis. Koavf (talk) 06:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Mark, I agree that your input on this would be useful. Some clarity is needed on whether this project is open to listing every wiki, or whether there's going to be some restriction on scope. No clear standard has been set as to what content isn't allowed, other than obvious linkspam to non-wiki websites, and I think that previously the door has been wide open to covering the whole wikisphere, and that that is how the situation should remain. The vast majority of WikiIndex deals with niche wikis, and that includes a handful of vanity wikis, aka blikis. Leucosticte (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

What is a community response to this? Free speech or not having CP here... and not a rogue admin action, no, simply editing. ~~ MarkDilley

I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Thanks. Leucosticte (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Test category[edit]

Category:FirstAdditional Is this serving a function now? Do you want to delete it? Koavf (talk) 04:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

It is part of the template/Boilerplate. Manorainjan (talk) 11:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

The template? There are lots of templates. Which one? What function is this serving? Koavf (talk) 20:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

That Template Manorainjan (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

BackupData not available for the community[edit]

Hi Mark,

at WikiIndex:Consensus You wrote that ray "provides" the Backup data. How and where does he do this? Where can members of this "community" get hands on it?Manorainjan (talk) 11:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

From Your one month of silence I conclude, that the backup is not available for the community. Also I conclude, that You Yourself are not available for Work on this wiki. Manorainjan (talk) 12:08, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Usually it's necessary to redact sensitive data anyway, or export it as XML files or something. You can create your own backup by setting up a script to export everything. I've done it before. It is kind of a PITA, though. There was also mw:User:Leucosticte/Doing the Newgon stuff, instructions for exporting stuff from NewgonWiki. Leucosticte (talk) 10:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Your silly comment about WikiWikiWeb[edit]

You wrote "Your efforts have closed the original WikiWikiWeb (they have moved it to the new Smallest Federated Wiki) and I request you stop editing the page going forward. MarkDilley"

  1. My efforts can not close WikiWikiWeb. Ward is the only one who can close it.
  2. They have not moved it.
  3. And one can not move it to Smallest Federated Wiki because that is an engine and not a wiki.
  4. there is no reason whatsoever why I should not edit a page which contains mistakes.

You have never been so wrong before. Manorainjan (talk) 21:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Weigh in on WikiIndex:Proposal: domain name change#Poll?[edit]

I wanted to be sure to draw your attention to a potential decision to change the domain of this wiki. I hope you'll weigh in with your opinion. Thanks! BrandonCsSanders (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

Hey Mark, what was that?

Was the news in this that You woke up and finally noticed something?

I moved Your "news" to the proper place: WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#Google AdSense

DeWikiIndex[edit]

Koaf said, You know something about: WikiIndex talk:ServerMove#ServerMove is Finished Manorainjan (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Spam[edit]

Please explain It seems like we have IP editing but we also have a procedure for requesting an account: that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain this? Koavf (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

We always hat both, IP-editing and accounts. This is not new and just like on Wikipedia. What is there to explain? We prefer accounts, but don't force it. We prefer real names but don't force it. We perfer pictures in the profiles but don't force it. Manorainjan 13:36, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Account requests Stop changing the titles of my posts. It doesn't make sense to have an account request process when you can edit without an account anyway. Koavf (talk) 13:48, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
There is quite a difference between something that You don't grasp and something that does not make sense. If You say it does not make sense than it means it is objectively wrong. But if You say it does not make sense to You, it means You simply don't get it. And that is here the case. The situation as is, the possibility of IP editing & accounts at the same time, that makes a lot of sense. Normally I do not use argument by authority or so, but in this case it makes sense: IP editing & accounts is the situation on the whole of Wikipedia. Now You say, You know better than all of them ;-) Say they got no success. Manorainjan 13:55, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Stop please Don't change the titles of my posts anymore. Even if you don't like them. In English, you don't capitalize every noun as in German. The only pronoun which is capitalized is "I" or any one that starts a sentence. I have no clue what your response is saying: it's not intelligible to me. You will have to rephrase it if you want me to understand or you can just let Mark respond on his own talk page to a question directed at him in the first place. Thanks anyway. Koavf (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

Koavf, it seems odd to me as well. Why do we require approval for an account in order to edit if anonymous can just edit anyway? Why not just allow anyone to create an account and edit if we are going to let ips edit? One of the major forms of spam on mediawiki installations follows the pattern 1. create account, 2. upload picture, 3. edit page with picture and lots of spam, 4. go away forever. The ConfirmAccount extension puts a large dent into that particular spam strategy. A second majore form of spam comes from anonymous editing from ips. We require ip edits to pass a simple captcha to cut down on spam from them. Accounts don't have to fill in the captcha. Does that explanation make sense? BrandonCsSanders (talk) 22:21, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

In order to save this edit I had to answer the question: "What is the name of this wiki?" -- Brandon as 76.27.247.138 22:22, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Spam filtering Nice. So the spam that we have recently received was from a human that copy and pasted it onto the wiki rather than a bot just drive-by spamming? Koavf (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2015 (PDT)
Probably automated by a human who answered the captcha once for their script. The captcha is really really simple and never changes. -- BrandonCsSanders (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2015 (PDT)

So, as it was to be expected, Mark did not make any useful input to this question. I wonder why You Koavf started this question at this deserted space wich has a long history of unanswered questions? Why not at Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki?

You can stop now It's only been a few hours--get over it. I posted here because Mark knows something about the backend of how the site works. If I just wanted to get an admin's attention, I could have done it myself as I am an admin here. You can stop posting here now unless you have something useful to say. Koavf (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2015 (PDT)

┌─────────────────────────────────┘
See WikiIndex:Community portal/News#01 February 2014 for the related discussion. In short, many spamming technologies change over time. Once upon a time spam was crazy, but my filter was powerful enough to filter most of them out. Then spammers decided to stop. They spammed with usernames instead, which again got filtered. Then spammers decided to simply flood accounts with random names. This, however, could not be prevented. That made some admins stressed, so Confirm Account was installed.

However, things change. Spammers no longer try for accounts. They simply started spamming without account instead. I would develop some filters against this, but I see no easy algorithm to identify such edits. --YiFei | talk 05:50, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

Relevant part of Discussion copied here: WikiIndex talk:Spam control policy#2015 discussion

Sysop rights[edit]

Hello, I am an active person here. Can I ask for sysop rights? --Gabriele (talk) 07:48, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

Hi Gabriele, just checking, are you requesting deletion of your account page? If so, I am confused by this request. Let me know. Best, MarkDilley

I have removed my page because it contained personal information. I have created it again. --Gabriele (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2015 (PDT)

Why not public?[edit]

Hey Mark, if You don't want to take responsibility WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#Adminship.2C_how_to_promote then why do You discuss such matters concerning us all so privately instead of on the community portal or at least on the admin board? Is this Your 'vision' of community building? Manorainjan 09:23, 8 June 2015 (PDT)

When You like something, facts become irrelevant?[edit]

WhatIsWiki You should know better. --Manorainjan 08:37, 5 August 2015 (PDT)

Do You want to do something useful?[edit]

Category:Pages for deletion --Manorainjan 09:58, 6 August 2015 (PDT)

User talk:Technische-Analyse.EU[edit]

Hey Mr. Comunity-building, this user which You created seems to be unresponsive to whatever one writes to him. And he loves to delete historical data. --Manorainjan 02:02, 8 January 2016 (PST)

Since You did not understand that quotation and asked for an explanation: You may know it in its imprecise form: "Those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it." It is about our mission statement, co-created by You, that we do record wiki history as well. Why are we doing so? I don't know why You would like to, but in the light of said quotation we do record wiki history in order to help wiki people, those people who not only consume wiki but create and drive wiki, not be doomed to repeat the(ir) mistakes of the past. Therefore, wiki history is content for wiki people. And please do not edit my talk page contributions on other talk pages than Yours! That user has sufficiently censored our contributions on his talk page already! Manorainjan 01:18, 11 January 2016 (PST)

Movement[edit]

What means: "Cross MediaWiki direction to remove people from the User namespace)"? I thought the user namespace is for users?Manorainjan 03:21, 2 February 2016 (PST)

Profiles Since we also have pages that discuss individuals, your userpage is in the main namespace and your usertalk is in the user talk. Koavf (talk) 06:46, 2 February 2016 (PST)
At the time we decided what Koavf mentioned above, we decided to keep pseudonyms in the user namespace as to encourage real names. Best, MarkDilley
AFAIK "pages that discuss individuals" individuals here means WikiIndex:Peoples pages or Category:Wiki people. Manorainjan 08:24, 2 February 2016 (PST)
At what time? Manorainjan 08:22, 2 February 2016 (PST)
Found it here: WikiIndex:Namespace conventions. ~~ MarkDilley
I see. So, new users with real names immediately go to main space without them even requesting it? How Do You konw they are using real names? I think it should be made policy to A: ask new users if they names are real and B ask them if they are willing to appear in main namespace. Users obviously using pseudos should be asked if the like to change to real name or if they like to get additional real name page in name space as well. Manorainjan 16:07, 2 February 2016 (PST)

Hans Christian Isak Mørch Holm[edit]

What are You smoking? Manorainjan 11:57, 30 May 2016 (PDT)

Please finish the work You have started[edit]

Or do You want to show is, that it is below You to create complete wiki entries? Manorainjan 10:22, 16 June 2016 (PDT)

Revision history of "BME Encyclopedia" shows, You where not only the one who created the doublet of this wiki page, also You choose the wrong entry as base for the merger. The older entries history should be in the merged article. Manorainjan 10:54, 18 August 2016 (PDT)

Manorainjan, You are so very tedious. Time for wiki vacation again. ~~ MarkDilley

The one who is tired calls others tedious as a result of his psychological projection. That is the one who needs a vacation. I'm not tired, I'm fine. I'm autonomously controlling the dispatching of my energy. Therefore I never need a vacation. Manorainjan 02:01, 19 August 2016 (PDT)

Exactly. ~~ MarkDilley

this Category:Hobby is another clean up of work which You caused and did not finish. Manorainjan 03:25, 27 August 2016 (PDT)

Cleaning of TOS[edit]

What You can expect if You provide email during registration, has to be part of the registration page! --Manorainjan 11:12, 23 October 2016 (PDT)

What for are talk pages?[edit]

https://WikiIndex.org/index.php?title=User:Databoy&diff=next&oldid=193957 What where You thinking? If anyone would like to talk to Databoy, You directed him to his user page. It was to be expected, that Databoy does not want any talk on his user page. Whom do You know, who prefers talk on his user page? So I'm asking You: What where You thinking? Where is the logic in Your action? Who would benefit from that redirect and how? Be precise in Your answer!! --Manorainjan 12:11, 12 December 2016 (PST)

Your disrespect for Mark, one of the fairest admins on this site, is absolutely astonishing. Databoy (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2016 (PST)
So You are astonished, that somebody can be more disrespectful than You in Your eyes? Besides that, what is Your mission on WikiIndex? What do You intend to contribute besides conflict that causes the admins waste of time about one single entry? --Manorainjan 01:35, 13 December 2016 (PST)
There was no conflict until you appeared and started putting your nose into other people's business. And if you're so concerned about the admins wasting their time, perhaps you shouldn't complain to them. Databoy (talk) 04:17, 13 December 2016 (PST)

Category:WikiIndex account[edit]

You got it wrong, as usual. --Manorainjan 01:52, 25 January 2017 (PST)

You are a lovely person to work with, as usual. ~~ MarkDilley

Thanks ;-) --Manorainjan 07:49, 25 January 2017 (PST)

So, You prefer to do things the wrong way around, as usual? --Manorainjan 07:55, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Hey, Mark[edit]

Since you're a leader of this wiki, I figured I might as well point you to a little vote I've started regarding our wiki people policies. --This is MY book, and I'm gonna READ IT!!! 10:18, 25 January 2017 (PST)

Is this the section you are referring to? WikiIndex talk:Policies and Guidelines#Wiki people policy ~~ MarkDilley

Moving page[edit]

I'm actually pretty annoyed that you moved my old username -> my current username without asking me first. I have outlined my reasons in a mail.

This is something you should have asked me about beforehand and in my opinion, this should not be the default whenever someone changes their name or username. They may have privacy issues or other reasons and may not want this. If I can make a suggestion, you really should ask the user before you do it.

I'd like you to please delete that redirect, which I guess means delete old and new userpages (since old has been moved to new and the history is there for anyone to find). To be clear, I don't want any association with that name at all. Think about it for a second & you should understand why.

I shouldn't have to tell you. I refuse to be defined by my mistakes. That name does not exist anymore. It needs to vanish like a bad dream.

Thanks in advance for understanding. Alexander (talk) 14:06, 14 February 2017 (PST)

Don't forget this user and talk page too, as you moved old to new. Thanks. Alexander (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2017 (PST)

HTTP 500 Internal Server Error[edit]

Hello Mark, hope you are well. :)

I am getting blocked from editing certain pages here - returning the above HTTP 500 error. Do you have any ideas what is happening?

Best regards Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 14:28, 27 April 2017 (PDT)

Hi Sean, well thank you, hope you are well too. Are you getting the error still? ~~ MarkDilley
I'm not too good - awaiting knee surgery at the moment :-(
Errors are still bothersome - I've discovered three specific errors, and raised them with Koavf here. The HTTP 500 error seems to be happening when trying to edit large-ish articles. Template:Wiki status is one which refuses to save even the smallest error and gives the HTTP 500. I also tried to archive some of the older messages from Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki and save them to Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki/Archive 2014-15, but it refuses with the HTTP 500. I've searched on MediaWiki.org, and it indicates some kind of throttling or size limit on the setup of the software. :-/
I'm also getting very random white-page 'database errors'. Even on the smallest articles it occurs, and cache clearing doesn't seem to help. Finally, Special:Upload refuses to work - I can't upload any new logos. Hopefully, you can get Ray or Brandon to resolve the issues. Oh - Happy May Day to you! Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:16, 1 May 2017 (PDT)
Hopefully fixed now, errant backup script was eating disk space Raymond King | talk 21:23, 2 May 2017 (PDT)

Cheking with Ward[edit]

In 2010 You said "As far as I understand, PortlandPatternRepository is the first wiki and was nicknamed the WikiWikiWeb." and You are going to check with ward: http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Talk:WikiWikiWeb&diff=77664&oldid=77653

  • Did You do that?
  • What was the result?

I did, remember vaguely that he confirmed. Check out C2.com Portland Pattern Repository's Wiki ~~ MarkDilley

--Manorainjan 09:24, 29 April 2017 (PDT)

Problems remain, some serious[edit]

Hi Mark

We still have problems with our WikiIndex MediaWiki configuration, and I think they need some urgent attention. I'll try to list as follows:
A) database error - I can't remember the exact wording, but I am still getting blocked from saving an edit - with an on-screen error message regarding database something :-P
B) autopatrolled - I am regularly getting my own edits appearing with the "mark this edit as patrolled"! This simply should not occur. Autopatrolled edits should happen automatically for every registered user who has made more than 10 edits. I think I have passed that threshold <he says, tounge in cheek>.
C) spam blacklist - I am occasionally getting blocked from saving edits by either the spam blacklist, and / or one of the Abuse Filters. These occurrences have happened on existing articles, where the "blocked" phrase or word was already on said article. A recent example is on Regiowikis. Look under the Romania sub-heading - it won't let me save the text which I had to comment out - because it contained "c u r e". As an Administrator, I should automatically be allowed to bypass all blacklists and Abuse Filter triggers - but something must be quite wrong in our software config.
And finally, for now;
D) page protection failure - I was given a heads up on my user talk page about some possible vandalism by Manor. Upon investigation, I noticed that WikiIndex:Add a Wiki had some drivel editing by an IP editor. This is exceedingly alarming! That specific page has been protected (since 2013, I think) so that ONLY sysops can edit it. Something is seriously wrong if an IP editor can edit a supposedly protected page at will. Wrong example, I need to find the correct one.

I noticed Koavf blocked said IP for 2 weeks, and reverted one of their vandal edits, but some still remain - so I will check all their edits.

Can you please ask Ray to look into these issues asap please? Best, Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 12:53, 26 May 2017 (PDT)

Thanks for reaching out Sean. I passed along info. Best, MarkDilley

Category talk:Active administrators of this wiki#Inactivity of administrators[edit]

Hey, master of Visions, lover of communities plodding on, would You care to conduct a survey amongst the inactive admins about their reasons? --Manorainjan 03:12, 4 June 2017 (PDT)

Good idea, I have no time to be involved in that. ~~ MarkDilley
Does it really matter if any admin is 'inactive'? There are two specific methods that any person (even IP editors) can use to check the activity of sysops, that are universally enabled on all public MediaWiki sites. Me thinks Manor is just snooping for the sake of snooping.  :-/ Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 15:06, 7 December 2017 (PST)

Thank You Notification[edit]

On Wikipedia there is this functionality that You can send thanks to editors for their edits. Don't You think, this positive kind of reaction could be useful in enhancing wiki community? --Manorainjan 10:42, 6 December 2017 (PST)

Sure if you or others would like to do that, I think it is a great idea. ~~ MarkDilley

Advertising on WikiIndex[edit]

Hi Mark. Just found a comment you made back in 2011 about web advertising on GooglePlus, and your clear preference of having an 'off' button for the ads. This ties in with recent thoughts of my own, following my discovery that WikiIndex has a Google AdSense account set up, but not currently enabled. I noticed that our MediaWiki config allows us to have the ads displaying for Anon users and IP editors, but can also turn off the ads once logged in. This is actually an identical modus operandi which many other wikis use - both independent and major wiki farms such as Wikia and the former Wikkii.

I actually see two positive benefits of enabling Anon ads; the first an obvious is a valuable income stream (which shouldn't be dismissed lightly), the second is that it will hopefully improve our wiki community by dangling a carrot and 'encouraging' IP editors to create an account. Naturally, we can edit our Anon site notice to the effect that logging in will remove the ads.

The only downside is that ads do annoy a small percentage of wiki users (but this is no different to life in general, be they ads on TV, or on newspaper websites, etc). In reality, though, if we do happen to p!ss off a tiny minority who detest ads, they probably would not be a valuable community asset anyway!

I am suggesting this, because, whilst the previous efforts of Brandon and Emufarmers are greatly appreciated, WikiIndex really does deserve much better backend support. There are still many bugs outstanding since the last upgrade by Brandon back in 2015, and I am not sure when our database was last backed up!

What are your thoughts, please? Can you run this past Ray? Best regards as always. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:12, 9 December 2017 (PST)

We're pretty familiar with AdSense from our days at AboutUs. I recall that you need quite a bit of traffic to generate any meaningful revenue. The more prominent the ad(s), the more revenue and the more "junked up" the site looks. I don't mind an experiment, like maybe an ad under the menu on the left, but not sure who can easily set this up. Also, I don't mind simply trying to get better back end support in place. Open to thoughts Raymond King | talk
Do we have anywhere statistical data about the traffic in WikiIndex? I had asked for such quite some time ago:WikiIndex:SiteStats. No response by now.... Manorainjan 11:13, 13 December 2017 (PST)
I don't, maybe someone else does? Raymond King | talk
If You don't have such data, than nobody has. Since years, for the most part, this community is in strict denial of the acceptance of the unimportance of this wiki. Therefore anything that could lead to actual data that would allow comparisons with the other entities in the wikisphere which we are to cartograph are avoided. Even the one method which we used to measure other wikis with - the wikiFactor - we have given up and are not to renew it. Manorainjan 11:52, 13 December 2017 (PST)
If Ray doesn't have immediate access to that data, it may still exist. In fact, it very likely does with the host. If you think this wiki is unimportant, then I'm not sure why you bother to even say so. Koavf (talk) 12:19, 13 December 2017 (PST)

WikiIndex:Community portal/News[edit]

It's a news page, not a chat room. --Manorainjan 13:26, 14 December 2017 (PST)

If WikiIndex:Community portal/News is for "news and chat" as You prefer to believe, than for what is WikiIndex talk:Community portal/News? And why is it called News and not News & Chat and whatever crosses Marks mind? --Manorainjan 14:32, 14 December 2017 (PST)

Abuse filter 12 blocking sign-up for Jordan D[edit]

Hi Mark, hope you are well.

I have been looking through the Abuse filter log and noticed a trigger alert of 25 August 2018 disallowing the creation of a username (and therefore account) by Jordan D that contained the word 'Jordan'. Knowing that is an acceptable christian name / given name and/or surname, I amended Abuse filter 12 to effectively allow 'Jordan' to create an account contaning said username. Further down the abuse filter log, I also noticed that both Ray and yourself tried to manually create a user account for the same Jordan D on 15 July 2018, but without success. Now that I have amended offending abuse filter, if either yourself or Ray still have contact details for Jordan D, maybe you (or Ray) can try again to create his account.

I shall copy the above to User talk:Ray King, just in case Ray has more time or still has the contact details of Jordan D. Miss your input here, hope you can find time to actively return. Do I guess you are currently busy with the US Mid-Term elections? All the best. Sean, aka Hoof HeartedAdmin / 'Crattalk2HH 07:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Sean! Thank you so very much for figuring out that weirdness! I will look around and see if I can let him know we figured out the problem (using royal-we :-) - yes the midterm elections are upon us and lots of people have been working very hard for something positive. Breath held for three more days now! Much appreciation Sean. Best, MarkDilley

So great you figured it out Sean! I've e-mailed Jordan and hope he shows up :-) Raymond King | talk

Pages for deletion[edit]

Hello, can you please check Category:Pages for deletion? The category includes my user page and talk page, which I would like to remove because they contain personal information. --Usa11 (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --Usa11 (talk) 18:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Nathan Larson[edit]

Regarding this, that is in fact the same Nathan Larson. –MJLTalk 06:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Troll account[edit]

Hello, I did that because this is a troll account. I was already globally locked on Wikimedia and multiple wiki farms (Fandom, Miraheze and ShoutWiki). Also, I am a sockpuppet of User:Usa11, so please block both of us. Sorry. --Terilir (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I confirm that I am a troll account and a sockpuppet of Terilir. Please block me and delete the user pages of both my accounts. --Usa11 (talk) 08:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)